eBay Authenticity Guarantee limit now $500 - Page 19

Philthy · 07-19-2022, 08:36 AM

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OhioLawyerF5 · 07-19-2022, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Obviously not....

It's just EBay being idiotic.....just like applying this program to already slabbed cards is.....

I'm not justifying the program, but you realize there are a ton of fake slabs out there? At this point, they need authentication just as much as raw cards. And if you are buying slabs and not looking them over for signs of adulteration, you are the one being idiotic.

nabzy28 · 07-19-2022, 09:07 AM

I'd like to know who is looking at these cards. Is it random people with no idea what trading cards even were a year ago, and having to look them up in a database to figure out what they're looking at?

I've had a card I bought over 2 weeks ago, stuck in this garbage. I'd 100% opt out of this trash if I could. But, that's just me venting. I understand why they did it. I've been in this for over 30 years. I've watched 'influencers' who don't even know anything about cards from the early 90's, let alone before that.

OhioLawyerF5 · 07-19-2022, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nabzy28

I'd like to know who is looking at these cards. Is it random people with no idea what trading cards even were a year ago, and having to look them up in a database to figure out what they're looking at?

I've had a card I bought over 2 weeks ago, stuck in this garbage. I'd 100% opt out of this trash if I could. But, that's just me venting. I understand why they did it. I've been in this for over 30 years. I've watched 'influencers' who don't even know anything about cards from the early 90's, let alone before that.

It's CSG and PSA. While that doesn't answer your question about the expertise of the employee, it basically means you should only trust their expertise as much as you trust those two companies to begin with (which for me is very little).

Philthy · 07-20-2022, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Philthy

I just had an item I sold fail authentication. The reason they provided was -

Raw - Surface does not match the listing: Fail ; Raw - Card does not match description (grade, etc): Fail

However, I did not state the card was graded anywhere in the listing (its a card from the brand new UFC Select 2022) and I did not make comments on the condition in the listing, but provided numerous pictures.

I guess I'm a little miffed at what they're looking at. Is the assumption that all raw cards are in mint condition unless specificied?

I want to circle back on my previous post. I received the card back today from the authenticator. There is a fingernail shaped indent in the bottom left of the card that is only visible when the card is at an angle.

I did not see this when I listed it. It is certainly a significant defect that I should have disclosed. In this case, the program worked as intended and I need to be more thorough when I list cards.

KhalDrogo · 07-20-2022, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Philthy

I want to circle back on my previous post. I received the card back today from the authenticator. There is a fingernail shaped indent in the bottom left of the card that is only visible when the card is at an angle.

I did not see this when I listed it. It is certainly a significant defect that I should have disclosed. In this case, the program worked as intended and I need to be more thorough when I list cards.

Or the authenticator damaged your card. But yes, we all miss things. And if the buyer had reached out to you with that issue, I’m sure you would have accepted a return. So the program added nothing for you.

MoreToppsPlease · 07-20-2022, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Philthy

I want to circle back on my previous post. I received the card back today from the authenticator. There is a fingernail shaped indent in the bottom left of the card that is only visible when the card is at an angle.

I did not see this when I listed it. It is certainly a significant defect that I should have disclosed. In this case, the program worked as intended and I need to be more thorough when I list cards.

Glad it worked.

MoreToppsPlease · 07-20-2022, 03:38 PM

The other fantastic thing about this program is that I don’t have to unwrap cards from their packaging using a chainsaw. About half of all sellers seem to use three ounces of tape, packaging from these guys has been comparatively much easier to open.

SaveMeTheGum · 07-20-2022, 04:16 PM

I'm on the eBay council and this week got a survey regarding the authentication program. My biggest piece of input was they need to allow buyers to opt out if they don't need the service. It's taking longer and longer now for me to get cards that have to go through authentication and I can authenticate my own. I also don't like it as a seller, but I understand the importance. I just wish as a buyer you could bypass it.

KhalDrogo · 07-20-2022, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I'm on the eBay council and this week got a survey regarding the authentication program. My biggest piece of input was they need to allow buyers to opt out if they don't need the service. It's taking longer and longer now for me to get cards that have to go through authentication and I can authenticate my own. I also don't like it as a seller, but I understand the importance. I just wish as a buyer you could bypass it.

There have been 33k+ graded card sales with the AG tag since they started having graded cards go to PSA in May. That’s 33k additional packages that PSA has had to open. As the price threshold goes down, the length of time is only going to increase.

hammertime · 07-20-2022, 05:46 PM

And 33k extra chances for something to get lost/stolen/damaged in the mail...all for something most of us don't want. Cool.

imbluestreak23 · 07-20-2022, 07:06 PM

Yeah, i'd rather eBay address NPBs. The Luber stans have taken over and all seem to have cold feet with what they buy.

NYRE2PECT · 07-20-2022, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Yeah, i'd rather eBay address NPBs. The Luber stans have taken over and all seem to have cold feet with what they buy.

This...it would actually solve a heck of a lot more issues.

KhalDrogo · 07-20-2022, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Yeah, i'd rather eBay address NPBs. The Luber stans have taken over and all seem to have cold feet with what they buy.

Fixing the NPB issue would decrease eBay’s bottom line. Never going to happen.

meanjean9 · 07-20-2022, 09:10 PM

Just when I thought the “authentication” process couldn’t get any more ridiculous…I bought a card a month ago, authenticated and shipped to me…I then sold the card, shipped it in the exact same box and card saver that came from the authenticator, and it failed authentication due to being counterfeit/reprint. Cannot make this stuff up, just next level idiocy.

KhalDrogo · 07-20-2022, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by meanjean9

Just when I thought the “authentication” process couldn’t get any more ridiculous…I bought a card a month ago, authenticated and shipped to me…I then sold the card, shipped it in the exact same box and card saver that came from the authenticator, and it failed authentication due to being counterfeit/reprint. Cannot make this stuff up, just next level idiocy.

I assume it’s the Dorsey Levens PMG? What are you going to do?

IronCladLou · 07-20-2022, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by meanjean9

Just when I thought the “authentication” process couldn’t get any more ridiculous…I bought a card a month ago, authenticated and shipped to me…I then sold the card, shipped it in the exact same box and card saver that came from the authenticator, and it failed authentication due to being counterfeit/reprint. Cannot make this stuff up, just next level idiocy.

LOL that is wonderful.

meanjean9 · 07-20-2022, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I assume it’s the Dorsey Levens PMG? What are you going to do?

You got er, I’ll probably just grade it, there is absolutely zero doubt it’s authentic.

IronCladLou · 07-20-2022, 09:24 PM

So what if the card I buy is a PC card and I'm not worried about some minor defect the seller forgot to mention?

I lose that card to somebody else when the seller sells elsewhere.

Should give you an option to accept or decline

bear0555 · 07-20-2022, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by meanjean9

You got er, I’ll probably just grade it, there is absolutely zero doubt it’s authentic.

Authentic/Alerted. The serial number is fake. I'm surprised CSG caught it the second time around but they screwed you the first time. There's a fake 90s thread on the basketball forum that mentioned this card when it was first listed. I'd be trying to get a refund from ebay and it sounds like a headache. But they screwed up, so they should refund you. Keep us updated.

meanjean9 · 07-21-2022, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bear0555

Authentic/Alerted. The serial number is fake. I'm surprised CSG caught it the second time around but they screwed you the first time. There's a fake 90s thread on the basketball forum that mentioned this card when it was first listed. I'd be trying to get a refund from ebay and it sounds like a headache. But they screwed up, so they should refund you. Keep us updated.

eBay has actually been helpful so I’ll give them some credit, they are telling me that I can attempt to sell again and if it fails again (which it probably will based on your comment) they will refund me the purchase price. I’ll have to find that thread appreciate the info 🤘

mfw13 · 07-21-2022, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I'm not justifying the program, but you realize there are a ton of fake slabs out there? At this point, they need authentication just as much as raw cards. And if you are buying slabs and not looking them over for signs of adulteration, you are the one being idiotic.

And I'm sure EBAY/CSA has a huge number of highly qualified and well-trained slab-authenticators....

Fenway55 · 07-21-2022, 11:06 AM

As has been pointed out, it is simply another way for eBay to rip us off.

I sold a brand new, pack fresh Star Wars sapphire card (gold /15) for $400. I mean, there's nothing to authenticate there but I still had to send it to authentication.

mc1 · 07-21-2022, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by meanjean9

You got er, I’ll probably just grade it, there is absolutely zero doubt it’s authentic.

So backdoored or sheet-cut? Its not fake but its not pack-pulled.

zworykin · 07-21-2022, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

And I'm sure EBAY/CSA has a huge number of highly qualified and well-trained slab-authenticators....

Well, considering it's PSA who does the slab authentication, they do have SOME idea what they're doing.

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Philthy Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,144	DELETE Last edited by Philthy; 07-19-2022 at 08:39 AM.

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nabzy28 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In a warehouse of common sense Posts: 7,253 nabzy28	I'd like to know who is looking at these cards. Is it random people with no idea what trading cards even were a year ago, and having to look them up in a database to figure out what they're looking at? I've had a card I bought over 2 weeks ago, stuck in this garbage. I'd 100% opt out of this trash if I could. But, that's just me venting. I understand why they did it. I've been in this for over 30 years. I've watched 'influencers' who don't even know anything about cards from the early 90's, let alone before that. __________________ Sent from my Danger Hiptop T-Mobile Sidekick in 2002

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MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	The other fantastic thing about this program is that I don’t have to unwrap cards from their packaging using a chainsaw. About half of all sellers seem to use three ounces of tape, packaging from these guys has been comparatively much easier to open. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

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SaveMeTheGum Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: NH --> CA --> SC Posts: 16,510 Cardboard_Dynamite CardboardDynamite	I'm on the eBay council and this week got a survey regarding the authentication program. My biggest piece of input was they need to allow buyers to opt out if they don't need the service. It's taking longer and longer now for me to get cards that have to go through authentication and I can authenticate my own. I also don't like it as a seller, but I understand the importance. I just wish as a buyer you could bypass it. __________________ Pay fast. Ship fast. Deal with people honestly. IG: CardboardDynamite

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imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,695 shortslabs	Yeah, i'd rather eBay address NPBs. The Luber stans have taken over and all seem to have cold feet with what they buy. __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

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hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,733	And 33k extra chances for something to get lost/stolen/damaged in the mail...all for something most of us don't want. Cool.

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meanjean9 Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: NE Wisconsin Posts: 339	Just when I thought the “authentication” process couldn’t get any more ridiculous…I bought a card a month ago, authenticated and shipped to me…I then sold the card, shipped it in the exact same box and card saver that came from the authenticator, and it failed authentication due to being counterfeit/reprint. Cannot make this stuff up, just next level idiocy.

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IronCladLou Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,555 eightytwopolly	So what if the card I buy is a PC card and I'm not worried about some minor defect the seller forgot to mention? I lose that card to somebody else when the seller sells elsewhere. Should give you an option to accept or decline

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Fenway55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 6,573	As has been pointed out, it is simply another way for eBay to rip us off. I sold a brand new, pack fresh Star Wars sapphire card (gold /15) for $400. I mean, there's nothing to authenticate there but I still had to send it to authentication.