90s PMG Pumped To Ad Nauseam On Social Media

[Starman101]

Anyways....

The point of this thread is really to make people especially new people in the hobby aware of the scum and their self serving bias takes

Learn how to think for yourself without these self proclaimed YouTubers pumping their investments for a payout

My IG acct is same as my screename

No cards are posted from my PC on my IG acct yet...clear proof i was never interested in being an influencer as some uninformed posters have falsely stated on this thread....

The fact that all these owners came out of the woodwork to protect their investments is a testament to my original post

And I commend them for that

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Anyways....

The point of this thread is really to make people especially new people in the hobby aware of the scum and their self serving bias takes

Learn how to think for yourself without these self proclaimed YouTubers pumping their investments for a payout

My IG acct is same as my screename

No cards are posted from my PC on my IG acct yet...clear proof i was never interested in being an influencer as some uninformed posters have falsely stated on this thread....

The fact that all these owners came out of the woodwork to protect their investments is a trestament to my original post

And I commend them for that

is basketballgold.com your site?

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

That post history of yours certainly helps.

In fairness I was 15 in 2011 when I joined and I'm 26 now. Mostly lurked, but its the same people derailing threads, same handful of members trying to dominate every thread with their opinions. So my post quality would be better quality threads were made.

Also, a lot of the people who made quality posts no longer post here. They're still active in the hobby, just moved away from BO forums.

That's why I said above, I post for entertainment purposes only.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Starman101

I haven't even seen a Star PSA slabbed sale yet???

I mean I can't imagine it being as clever as those Mahomes infamous pump and dump schemes

I can't even imagine Star or any cards for that matter pumped via world class manipulation red PMG from 60k to 500k now in what?....only 3 years time, "coincidentally, ahem..." circa Cardladder??

It really is laughable

This isn't even in the same league of PMG manipulation and you know it

The only other card I can think of in that league of manipulation is the 03 Exquisite RPA....which is a beautiful and historically important card.......it's was just really manipulated by the circle jerk buyers club...lol.....

Another one in denial just looking to deflect

You must be a PMG owner. Lol

Originally Posted by Starman101

Anyways....

The point of this thread is really to make people especially new people in the hobby aware of the scum and their self serving bias takes

The fact that all these owners came out of the woodwork to protect their investments is a testament to my original post

Yes, I own a Jordan PMG Red, Jambalaya and 86Fleer that I purchased in 2020 when the hype was already underway and I have not posted about it here or on IG for more than a year. To answer your question, you can replace 90 PMG's in your thread title "90s PMG Pumped To Ad Nauseam On Social Media or BO" with any other rare 90's insert or modern panini parallel and it will be true to a certain extent. As far as I know, 97UD GU Jersey Auto (100K to million plus), 86F PSA 10's (20K to 700K), Jambalaya's (10K to 100K) were also pumped to ad nauseum on social media since 2019. Why not a thread on them? Is it because 97UD GU Jersey Auto, Star 101, 86F and Jambalaya are in your top 5 MJ cards and 90's PMG's are not based on your old thread and comments?

Just so you know, I did not post to protect my investments. I own Vintage, Marvel PMG's, Soccer and Tennis cards and I never posted in those forums about my pickups or defending them. I honestly do not care what card is being pumped or trashed here or on social media. I visit BO and IG mainly for entertainment.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Blazed
"These forums are a cesspool so I haven't noticed. I just read and comment for entertainment purposes only."

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

That post history of yours certainly helps.

for entertainment purposes we can deny any benefit of the doubt to this "Blazed" creature

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

is basketballgold.com your site?

It is not his site. The creator of that site did so on his own time and his own cost and continues to pay to keep it going as a free resource for people that want to collect them. In response to I might add the never ending deluge of bad information circulating on the internet and this site included. I’m sure it was easier than answering the same questions over and over.

The op does like star. So do I. We’ve liked it for a long time. The people jumping on board now because PSA has suddenly decided they aren’t all fake will be the ones looking to monetize it and pump pump. That’s not the op.

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

It is not his site. The creator of that site did so on his own time and his own cost and continues to pay to keep it going as a free resource for people that want to collect them. In response to I might add the never ending deluge of bad information circulating on the internet and this site included. I’m sure it was easier than answering the same questions over and over.

The op does like star. So do I. We’ve liked it for a long time. The people jumping on board now because PSA has suddenly decided they aren’t all fake will be the ones looking to monetize it and pump pump. That’s not the op.

Thank You for the clarification Celtics!

Yes I have liked the Star XRC for a long time when I created my screename

So PSA now grades them and I am now pumping Star?

Another jackass pcptrade comment to attempt derailing the thread to protect what he "icollects" for "ipumpfordollars"

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Yes, I own a Jordan PMG Red, Jambalaya and 86Fleer that I purchased in 2020 when the hype was already underway and I have not posted about it here or on IG for more than a year. To answer your question, you can replace 90 PMG's in your thread title "90s PMG Pumped To Ad Nauseam On Social Media or BO" with any other rare 90's insert or modern panini parallel and it will be true to a certain extent. As far as I know, 97UD GU Jersey Auto (100K to million plus), 86F PSA 10's (20K to 700K), Jambalaya's (10K to 100K) were also pumped to ad nauseum on social media since 2019. Why not a thread on them? Is it because 97UD GU Jersey Auto, Star 101, 86F and Jambalaya are in your top 5 MJ cards and 90's PMG's are not based on your old thread and comments?

Just so you know, I did not post to protect my investments. I own Vintage, Marvel PMG's, Soccer and Tennis cards and I never posted in those forums about my pickups or defending them. I honestly do not care what card is being pumped or trashed here or on social media. I visit BO and IG mainly for entertainment.

Since your IG screename says "collect" do you have any other Jordans besides high end?

Or did you sell them to.... as an investor would say... "reduce your exposure"...lmao

Youre all about the money too

I commend you too

Stop it bro, just stop it

[GOATcards]

can we please just assume the worst and work backward from there

[Uncbuddha]

Thanks for all of the info in here. I wish more folks would do some posts regarding the history of popular insert sets. I’m one of those guys that got out of cards in the mid 90s right before all the really cool stuff came out so it’s awesome to learn about the history of all of the stuff I missed. It would be cool to see retrospective reviews of each year explaining what was the most popular at the time and what haw different sets evolved into being more popular over time.

And if starman 101 is the creator of the basketball gold site then many thanks to you! That site is awesome and a very valuable resource to the collecting community. . . . Nevermind, just saw the posts above mine.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Since your IG screename says "collect" do you have any other Jordans besides high end?

Or did you sell them to.... as an investor would say... "reduce your exposure"...lmao

Youre all about the money too

I commend you too

Stop it bro, just stop it

I collect rare books, comic books, scientific manuscripts. I haven't sold any. I am mainly an investor in sports cards, which I have mentioned many times here and I created a thread a year ago on consolidating my PC of ~500 cards to ~75 cards. I used to own close to 50 Jordan cards but I consolidated them to just three. Hope that clarifies everything

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by Uncbuddha

And if starman 101 is the creator of the basketball gold site then many thanks to you! That site is awesome and a very valuable resource to the collecting community. . . . Nevermind, just saw the posts above mine.

Steve Taft is the expert on Star cards. Google him for the history and factual info on Star cards

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

I am mainly an investor in sports cards

Gotcha

Fair enough and appreciate you honesty here

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Gotcha

Fair enough and appreciate you honesty here

It's all good FYI, I did not bring up the Star 101 XRC! I was responding to someone who mentioned star cards

I personally feel most 90's inserts and modern Panini parallels are pumped in a way on social media. It was funny reading the comments (86F vs Star 101 as preferred RC) at IG when PSA announced that they will start grading Star 101. I have nothing against Star 101, I used to own one but sold it few months ago

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Thank You for the clarification Celtics!

Yes I have liked the Star XRC for a long time when I created my screename

So PSA now grades them and I am now pumping Star?

Another jackass pcptrade comment to attempt derailing the thread to protect what he "icollects" for "ipumpfordollars"

You posting up a pix of MJ star 101 as your avatar is no different from me posting pix of my favorite 98pmgs on my IG.
Clearly you're trying to get a message across.

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

For what it's worth: I've been collecting for almost 30 years now, and as a player collector, PMG Green has been on top of my wantlist from the day it was released.

I was lucky to grab one 14 years ago, and even if I agree price has increased by 2500-3000% since then, it was already one of the most, if not THE most sought after parallel at the time.

#facts right here.
this is why the it pumps especially in basketball. it's the best of the best and generally they go for the most.

don't put PMGs in the same category as base psa 10 trash.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

You posting up a pix of MJ star 101 as your avatar is no different from me posting pix of my favorite 98pmgs on my IG.
Clearly you're trying to get a message across.

It's been that way since 2015, long before PSA started grading Star cards and Star collectors were still niche. Long before the current gold rush / pump. Conditions for pumping Star cards were nowhere near ideal back then either. He's been collecting them before it was 'cool' to collect them.

Conditions for pumping PMG cards have been ideal since 2010. Yes, we know there are people who genuinely like the PMG cards, they're small in number compared to blood suckers and the best of blood suckers wear well tailored hobbyist exteriors.

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

It's been that way since 2015, long before PSA started grading Star cards and Star collectors were still niche. Long before the current gold rush / pump. Conditions for pumping Star cards were nowhere near ideal back then either. He's been collecting them before it was 'cool' to collect them.

Conditions for pumping PMG cards have been ideal since 2010. Yes, we know there are people who genuinely like the PMG cards, they're small in number compared to blood suckers and the best of blood suckers wear well tailored hobbyist exteriors.

You started these threads right?
"Show off some Upper Deck parallel cards"
"official Poverty mail-day thread"

How is this any different from me posting on IG and showing off some cards I'm really proud of?

Just curious man. Seems like theres certain standards for some and standards for others. Maybe its OK for you, because the cards you post are worth nothing?? Maybe you're trying to turn that nothing into something??? What's the motive here?

But dont get me wrong... I hate people who pump Panini NFTs on IG.
But I think that is what is the issue here. We're just hating on people who pump stuff we don't like.

... and not everybody has the same taste in stuff.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

You started these threads right?
"Show off some Upper Deck parallel cards"
"official Poverty mail-day thread"

How is this any different from me posting on IG and showing off some cards I'm really proud of?

Just curious man. Seems like theres certain standards for some and standards for others. Maybe its OK for you, because the cards you post are worth nothing?? Maybe you're trying to turn that nothing into something??? What's the motive here?

But dont get me wrong... I hate people who pump Panini NFTs on IG.
But I think that is what is the issue here. We're just hating on people who pump stuff we don't like.

... and not everybody has the same taste in stuff.

I'm not on IG, so I am not familiar with your posts. However, PMG pumps have been going on since 2010, it's basically established fact at this point. Again, I get there are people who genuinely like the PMG cards. I think the Championship Preview and 98 PMGs are among the best, the red/green are garbage. That's why I sought out to get the former two for my player collection, and don't care much about the red and green...would only get them if they were cheap enough for completion's sake.

When a big spender throws money at Cards x, y, or z, it's time to pump. If there were big spenders throwing money at UD parallels, guess what? THESE DAYS, it's almost guaranteed that a pump is around the corner. It wasn't always guaranteed, but it DID happen with PMG cards, particularly the reds and greens which Nat and WeGotStock99 fought over.

This isn't make believe, it's just observation and record keeping. I still have some examples saved from way back, if you want to see a guy talking to himself using two accounts over this stuff, I can dig those records out and post them. The market leading up to this very day has been fudged by individuals looking to profiteer off our hobby. Don't ever underestimate the length that someone's lust for money will drive them.

You got guys on here (I don't know if any of them still post here) and on IG who would tell you to 'F off' if you tried to hustle them on the street with a fake Rolex, but somehow are dumb enough to fall for rackets time and time again...or maybe they're not dumb and they're in on it for benefits.

P.S. I don't care about people pumping stuff I don't like, but all successful pumps only lead to more pumps on other stuff, including stuff that 'we', you, me, every one else do like. You think MJ pumps didn't lead to increased expectation on price for cards of other players? LBJ RPA price fixing didn't cause other stuff of other players to increase on expectation on value? If you piss a few drops into the water well, then the whole thing is contaminated.

[bigjbasketball]

If PMG “pumps” have been going on since 2010 (or possibly earlier), is that really a pump? Typically pump and dumps start with a card that’s worth nothing (undervalued! claims the influencer), it is then dumped after the influencer is done pumping it, and then they move on to the next thing. I don’t see that happening with PMGs, so I don’t know how it can be considered a pump. I mean, I don’t see Nat Turner selling his PMG Greens (or Reds either for that matter) anytime soon.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

If PMG “pumps” have been going on since 2010 (or possibly earlier), is that really a pump? Typically pump and dumps start with a card that’s worth nothing (undervalued! claims the influencer), it is then dumped after the influencer is done pumping it, and then they move on to the next thing. I don’t see that happening with PMGs, so I don’t know how it can be considered a pump. I mean, I don’t see Nat Turner selling his PMG Greens (or Reds either for that matter) anytime soon.

They have been steadily increasing in price and still holding up well despite the market correction. Most asset classes went up crazy since March 2020. There has been a 10% increase in the number of millionaires since the pandemic began. We live in a world where people are still paying six figures for prospects, non-RC's, NFT's such as bored apes (10,000 of them exist). Are the rare and sought after Jordan 90's inserts currently overpriced? I personally think they are but the market is telling me otherwise. I guess it is all subjective

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

It's been that way since 2015, long before PSA started grading Star cards and Star collectors were still niche. Long before the current gold rush / pump. Conditions for pumping Star cards were nowhere near ideal back then either. He's been collecting them before it was 'cool' to collect them.

Conditions for pumping PMG cards have been ideal since 2010. Yes, we know there are people who genuinely like the PMG cards, they're small in number compared to blood suckers and the best of blood suckers wear well tailored hobbyist exteriors.

Thank you again for telling the truth!

I must've really hurt this guy's feelings based on his screenname

Wow

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

If PMG “pumps” have been going on since 2010 (or possibly earlier), is that really a pump? Typically pump and dumps start with a card that’s worth nothing (undervalued! claims the influencer), it is then dumped after the influencer is done pumping it, and then they move on to the next thing. I don’t see that happening with PMGs, so I don’t know how it can be considered a pump. I mean, I don’t see Nat Turner selling his PMG Greens (or Reds either for that matter) anytime soon.

Like I alluded to in my earlier post they were mega pumped and manipulated since the Nat Sale and the advent of Card Ladder

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

If PMG “pumps” have been going on since 2010 (or possibly earlier), is that really a pump? Typically pump and dumps start with a card that’s worth nothing (undervalued! claims the influencer), it is then dumped after the influencer is done pumping it, and then they move on to the next thing. I don’t see that happening with PMGs, so I don’t know how it can be considered a pump. I mean, I don’t see Nat Turner selling his PMG Greens (or Reds either for that matter) anytime soon.

I don't recall saying Nat was selling his PMG reds/greens, or had plans to.

PMG reds / greens were available on eBay for double, or triple digits, they didn't take off until those two guys I mentioned went after them. Then, a group of people (Jun, Gonblott, RedskinsWizard, DaveDuffield, m1000, et al.) began pumping them on the spending power of those two guys. The basis was these cards are all undervalued, because LOOK at these guys spending all this money! Two people on the planet were driving the prices up between themselves in bids to win, so they were magically undervalued the whole time.

Once the pump works it becomes a runaway train and runs itself. When the stuff becomes so lofty in price and perception, the pump is even easier as long as you're set up to execute it. Why? You now have legitimate sales you can reference. Go back to my mention of Jun/Rare23Air83 hitting the jack pot by selling a 97/98 refractor to Nat, it was hot air up to that point, but Nat's purchase was the legitimizing factor he needed to gain credibility.

I can sell my own PMG cards on any auction house and win them back at a crazy price through shilling. Yes, you can easily circumvent any system auction houses have and still shill your cards to change perception of value and increase it, so long as you have the funds and you're willing to spend. In a situation like this, (with legitimate sales to reference) everything is all set up for me to dump the item(s) when I reach a dollar amount I am satisfied with.

When the huge money comes in to play, the hobby becomes a very small place for people who don't have that money, or who are unwilling to spend that money. I'm amazed by the amount of times the word hobby is conflated with the word market in the modern era. You will find a mass exodus on the day that sports cards are no longer profitable. Even the big money who also happen to be genuine hobbyists know this very well.

Originally Posted by Starman101

Thank you again for telling the truth!

I must've really hurt this guy's feelings based on his screenname

Wow

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

You started these threads right?
"Show off some Upper Deck parallel cards"
"official Poverty mail-day thread"

How is this any different from me posting on IG and showing off some cards I'm really proud of?

Just curious man. Seems like theres certain standards for some and standards for others. Maybe its OK for you, because the cards you post are worth nothing?? Maybe you're trying to turn that nothing into something??? What's the motive here?

But dont get me wrong... I hate people who pump Panini NFTs on IG.
But I think that is what is the issue here. We're just hating on people who pump stuff we don't like.

... and not everybody has the same taste in stuff.

I haven't seen any record sales in card ladder or content creator try to push the opinion of "greatest card of all time" to manipulate a 500k MJ PMG Red payday

Way to try and deflect the topic again. I'm seeing alot of BS artists in this thread. Unreal