Topps Chrome Star Wars Sapphire!

[Peachcardsatl]

Looks like lowest is $890 on the bay right now so stabilizing a bit.

[Jsquared123]

The floor is too high and the ceiling is wayy too high on these to drop much below $850.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Latest box sales are in the $850 range. We could see boxes at $800 by the weekend

Please!!!!! I wish they would keep going. Maybe $700. That would be great.

[JohnJones]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Please!!!!! I wish they would keep going. Maybe $700. That would be great.

Yes please! I stopped buying past $650, but if these get to $700 again I'm starting up the engines again!!

[Ianhatcher]

Ripped 4 boxes over the last few days and I used up all my luck in box 1 it seems. At $600-699 which is what I paid I think I did ok but at $850-900 I think this was a bad rip even though I got some PC cards of Han /99, R2 /50 , Chewie /50 and Ben with a Lightsaber /99 which is the best card of him imo but no huge hits.

Didn’t hit a single #1, #5 or #6 base in any of the 5 boxes I opened so that sucked and only 1 box with 3 hits. Nothing under 50 in the 4 boxes either. I did hit #1, 5 and 6 in box break personal though so there is that.

Done ripping at the current price point. I think at current box prices you are unlikely to get your money back. $600-700 seems to be a sweet spot though if singles stay high.

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[Brobocop]

Second box SUCKED but still got three parallels again.

[Brobocop]

Question for the audience, is the gold Oib-Wan worth getting graded? No roller lines that I can see, corners look sharp too

[tshiz21]

Originally Posted by Peachcardsatl

Looks like lowest is $890 on the bay right now so stabilizing a bit.

replied in pm to your offer on a card...haven't heard back from you?

[metallicalex777]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Question for the audience, is the gold Oib-Wan worth getting graded? No roller lines that I can see, corners look sharp too

If your goal is to sell the gold Obi-Wan then I personally think grading is the way to go. It would be a bit of an investment, and you might want to get it back quicker than others might go on the market. Good luck with whatever you do with it, that's a beautiful card and congrats on the hit!

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Question for the audience, is the gold Oib-Wan worth getting graded? No roller lines that I can see, corners look sharp too

Grading doesn’t seem to add a premium to the Star Wars crowd. An investor would probably want it graded.


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[Jsquared123]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Question for the audience, is the gold Oib-Wan worth getting graded? No roller lines that I can see, corners look sharp too

Personal preference IMO. I ripped a few boxes and inspected the better cards. Anything I want to PC that isn't super high value (under $500 or so) that looked good I am sending to SGC. Their slabs should really pop the cards, esp some of the parallels.

That being said, anything super high value I would probably send to PSA, especially if looking to potentially resell now or down the road.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by Cpdjoe77

Grading doesn’t seem to add a premium to the Star Wars crowd. An investor would probably want it graded.


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That’s just not correct. Galaxy chrome graded adds significant value. Both PSA as well as SGC

[nabzy28]

Originally Posted by Cpdjoe77

Grading doesn’t seem to add a premium to the Star Wars crowd. An investor would probably want it graded.


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Wait until more PSA high-grade stuff starts hitting the market. Nearly all that's been out there is CGC or CSG or whatever. I can't keep track of these grading companies. The only reason there isn't a lot of PSA stuff, yet, was due to the backlog. Just go look through graded/completed listings. Stuff is going for hundreds to thousands more, on the desirable parallels, etc.

[mossoholic]

For anyone saying in todays climate these are a bad rip, why? What rip right now for the box price is better? Most of the products I see you can and will get countless boxes with under 10% ROI. For basketball and football products you can pull a nice card of a top rookie and not only lose but lose big on countless products. Quality on these is way better than mostly all new products and the good cards are worth getting graded. There is no current product Im aware of that the worst boxes are returning 40-50%. Not to mention there are tons of cards worth more than the box price and a chase card worth over $100,000. For example, 2021 Flawless football was at one point $12,000 a box. There are probably at best 2 $100,000 cards in the entire product and none worth over $200,000.

[nabzy28]

You can, literally, go watch live breaks on YouTube right now and watch people throw away 90-100% of their money, hitting garbage or absolutely nothing.

[metallicalex777]

Originally Posted by nabzy28

You can, literally, go watch live breaks on YouTube right now and watch people throw away 90-100% of their money, hitting garbage or absolutely nothing.

Can you link us to a single YouTube box break that went 90% loss of money? Just one, I can't seem to find any.

[eldavojohn]

First off I think a lot of people are talking about how they themselves feel about this product, not telling people what they should or shouldn't do with their money. As often is on these forums just mentally read every statement with "It is my personal opinion and mine alone that ..."

Originally Posted by mossoholic

For anyone saying in todays climate these are a bad rip, why?

It's likely disbelief that this is such a reliably high return and that it can remain that high. And since it's neither auto nor sketch, it's probably a real fear that this could be, you know, like Project 2020 or something that hit a crazy fevered pitch before plummeting. I don't hold this view but I will say that the second I buy a box at $1k, boxes will sell for $500 all day

Originally Posted by mossoholic

What rip right now for the box price is better?

I'd probably rather rip two boxes of 2020 Masterwork than a box of sapphire and yeah I'd probably do terrrrrribly on it. And if my intent was to immediately turn around and sell everything at auction, the sapphire would probably edge out the MW.

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Most of the products I see you can and will get countless boxes with under 10% ROI. For basketball and football products you can pull a nice card of a top rookie and not only lose but lose big on countless products. Quality on these is way better than mostly all new products and the good cards are worth getting graded. There is no current product Im aware of that the worst boxes are returning 40-50%. Not to mention there are tons of cards worth more than the box price and a chase card worth over $100,000. For example, 2022 Flawless football was at one point $12,000 a box. There are probably at best 2 $100,000 cards in the entire product and none worth over $200,000.

(It is my personal opinion and mine alone that ...) Not a great comparison but Sapphire feels a bit like crypto. You'll need a lot of money to play and you'll have to pick your exit at juuuuust the right time otherwise you're going to be super stupid. I'm a long time, long hold star wars collector. I can't long hold this product without living in fear of it going junk coin ... actually, I just can't play this game because the stakes are so high. That's why ROI is closer to Stellar than High Tek.

Actually if you reread your argument, I could have guaranteed you that each case of stellar would return more than 10% ROI. So why didn't you buy up all the Stellar? Sapphire, while less than 1/10th of the cost to play is unfortunately in that same realm. Again, congratulations to everyone who got in at MSRP, I definitely would have opened and sat on my box's contents and maybe even aimed for a set had I been so lucky but the train has left the station and if I rip anything it will be something else.

[JohnJones]

Originally Posted by metallicalex777

Can you link us to a single YouTube box break that went 90% loss of money? Just one, I can't seem to find any.

Yes, I would also like that link where somebody only gets $100 worth of cards in the break…

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by nabzy28

You can, literally, go watch live breaks on YouTube right now and watch people throw away 90-100% of their money, hitting garbage or absolutely nothing.

I assume you're talking about products other than Star Wars Sapphire.

Originally Posted by metallicalex777

Can you link us to a single YouTube box break that went 90% loss of money? Just one, I can't seem to find any.

I assume you're talking about Star Wars Sapphire.

I think it's worth pointing out that there are a few products like Marvel Premiere where someone breaking one box could lose most of their money but if you're willing to go up to the case level, you can pretty reliably hit 35% or higher.

[nabzy28]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I assume you're talking about products other than Star Wars Sapphire.

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[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

It's likely disbelief that this is such a reliably high return and that it can remain that high. And since it's neither auto nor sketch, it's probably a real fear that this could be, you know, like Project 2020 or something that hit a crazy fevered pitch before plummeting. I don't hold this view but I will say that the second I buy a box at $1k, boxes will sell for $500 all day

More like fun factor rather than fear. If you're not into the quick flip there are much more interesting products out there. Masterwork as you mentioned, terrible return, but incredibly fun to open and makes ripping a box of sapphire seem like a chore. The closer to 1k you paid I'm sure it can be scary opening.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

More like fun factor rather than fear. If you're not into the quick flip there are much more interesting products out there. Masterwork as you mentioned, terrible return, but incredibly fun to open and makes ripping a box of sapphire seem like a chore. The closer to 1k you paid I'm sure it can be scary opening.

If Stars Wars Sapphire is scary to open the closer you get to $1k what is opening virtually any baseball, football, or basketball product that cost $1,000 or more right now?

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

If Stars Wars Sapphire is scary to open the closer you get to $1k what is opening virtually any baseball, football, or basketball product that cost $1,000 or more right now?

Probably even more scary hence why group breakers are feasting. It's stupid that people are paying for spots what they once paid for a box. I only opened my Sapphire boxes because I feel like the price will stay where it's at for a while. I paid $600 each for my two so I figured I could either cash out a few hundred each or open them up and see what I get.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

If Stars Wars Sapphire is scary to open the closer you get to $1k what is opening virtually any baseball, football, or basketball product that cost $1,000 or more right now?

We get it... you've had a change of heart over this product (I see you're no longer quibbling about manufacturing cost).

BUT I was posting about the fun factor of opening Star Wars boxes not doing a cost analysis of the trading card hobby. That seems to be your specialty.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

We get it... you've had a change of heart over this product (I see you're no longer quibbling about manufacturing cost).

BUT I was posting about the fun factor of opening Star Wars boxes not doing a cost analysis of the trading card hobby. That seems to be your specialty.

I haven't had a change of heart. Everything I said about what Topps charged and the way they charged for it is true. You think if Topps thought these were going to be selling for $800-$1000 in weeks they would have charged $200? They would have done what they did with F1 Sapphire this year. If you're not aware, they charged 7.5 times what they charged last year. Odds are they will do it with next years Star Wars Sapphire. I'd bet my house if there is a release next year 0% chance it's $200 a box.

The way Panini and Topps continue to line their good buddies pockets while still making sure to try to get every last penny from the other 99.999% of people on a fraction of the amount of boxes and products is ridiculous. I've said it a million times but I hope they get rid of MC and do some type of auction system going forward instead. That's assuming it's a real auction with all boxes available, no bs floor cost, etc. That system is the best bet for everyone but the 0.001%. It's better for Topps/Fanatics as well. I'm sure many of us would have rather been able to get as many cases as we wanted at $250-$350 a box versus almost all buyers getting only 1-5 boxes at $200 per from MC.

For the current cost I don't see a better product to open right now than Star Wars Sapphire. If people think with where singles are this is a ripoff to open I can't imagine anyone but people that could care less about the money opening any product $500+ product right now.

I see why some Star Wars people are pissed because they are used to cheap box prices. It sucks but at least the actual market is determining where these boxes and singles are selling. Not 1 or a couple price manipulators that have the most inventory telling us said product is worth double what it actually is.