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Originally Posted by mnckla22

Hopefully people are more selective on what they choose to grade. I am 100% for grading for PC but if you are flipping base cards I think that time is coming to and end.

Using Wander Franco's Topps RC as example a PSA 9 sells for about $22 the PSA 10 sells for about $75, PSA recently lowered to $30. Meaning these people were paying $50 to grade Wander Franco base RCs. A PSA 9 would mean losing about $30 per card to grade.

CSG 10s of Franco's RC sell for about $34, assuming a grading fee of $12 bulk ($10.80 for elite bulk) you would still clear $22. A PSA 10 clears $25 at $50 grading and $45 at $30 grading. There are a total of 1,956 PSA graded Franco cards, 1,273 were graded a PSA 10 (65% gem rate). Meaning at the current rate you would lose 45% of the time grading this particular card. Things could change fast if PSA bring fees down to $15 though but I don't see that happening in the near term with inflation and rising salaries.

The problem with your theory is you are assuming both PSA and CSG will grade the card the same.

According to the all the CSG Fanbois here. CSG grades harder. So a card might get a PSA 10 but if that same card was sent to CSG , it might get a 9 or 9.5 (there favorite grade now) . So the difference in card values becomes HUGE .

You CSG fanbois are so blind to your own posts.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by mnckla22

Hopefully people are more selective on what they choose to grade. I am 100% for grading for PC but if you are flipping base cards I think that time is coming to and end.

Take a look at current reveals on Youtube/Instagram for PSA/SGC/CSG. People continue to submit crap to get 10's to try to turn a profit. People enjoy grading to lose money on a card so they can make a YouTube video about it. 90% of the reveals people lost money on grading and 10% of people are actually submitting cards they should for the price. People lose 70% of a value of a wax box by opening it and lose 70% more money by grading those crappy cards.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Take a look at current reveals on Youtube/Instagram for PSA/SGC/CSG. People continue to submit crap to get 10's to try to turn a profit. People enjoy grading to lose money on a card so they can make a YouTube video about it. 90% of the reveals people lost money on grading and 10% of people are actually submitting cards they should for the price. People lose 70% of a value of a wax box by opening it and lose 70% more money by grading those crappy cards.

Unless the card is a rare non-rookie, it is not likely to be graded by me! I have indeed sent some cards during the bubble that lost money at PSA 9, but every order I have sent has been a profit. I am more selective, but I definitely have some additional cards that will be slabbed. The vast majority of what I slab are rookies.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by mnckla22

Hopefully people are more selective on what they choose to grade. I am 100% for grading for PC but if you are flipping base cards I think that time is coming to and end.

Using Wander Franco's Topps RC as example a PSA 9 sells for about $22 the PSA 10 sells for about $75, PSA recently lowered to $30. Meaning these people were paying $50 to grade Wander Franco base RCs. A PSA 9 would mean losing about $30 per card to grade.

CSG 10s of Franco's RC sell for about $34, assuming a grading fee of $12 bulk ($10.80 for elite bulk) you would still clear $22. A PSA 10 clears $25 at $50 grading and $45 at $30 grading. There are a total of 1,956 PSA graded Franco cards, 1,273 were graded a PSA 10 (65% gem rate). Meaning at the current rate you would lose 45% of the time grading this particular card. Things could change fast if PSA bring fees down to $15 though but I don't see that happening in the near term with inflation and rising salaries.

That Wander is a great example of what works for CSG and not PSA. It did for PSA but that card has been a falling knife. Bass first to market then crater.

Anything rare, or above that, makes sense only in a PSA slab when considering ROI. Which gets to the point that folks were mentioning: there will be more junk PSA slabs. Okay, they are doing more volume but whose brand is primarily attracting junk cards as the primary submission type. Hint, it’s not PSA. For brand notoriety, CSG will keep attracting low end new fresh bass. Gamblers will submit to PSA hoping to be first in line. Once that honey well dries up it’s CSG…and maybe SGC if they get with the times

[jjcan]

As long as CSG TAT is really tight and consistent, it is a good flip to fill in Gaps in selling. Short Term, I mean really short term next 3 months before Fall.

I have been using them to sell new bass, 2020-present regional players to local shops, Dealers, and consignment stores, and summer state Fair vendors that need local players for the local collectors who are wanting newer released inventory. None of my sales are online.

Weird enough people still want new stuff/cheap stuff slabbed even at the crazy production runs they could care less, but most i deal with who buy CSG slabs do not want to pay PSA prices.

This is low hanging/low end fruit, moved 85 CSG slabs last 4 weeks (most sold last 2 weeks) averaging $38 each slab. At the same time moved 140 PSA slabs, so yeah PSA is king and always will be thats not the point.

There is a place for CSG at the current TAT times, hope they can continue the output before PSA responds for more volume and a quicker TAT.

[grade]

you all obviously are experts at submitting junk and losing money.
At least you all are learning . LOL.

Learned real fast last year. A company that changes many times during a year is not a company anyone wants to have confidence in. Maybe pre-grading should be a more acceptable term for CSG.

Agreed, CSG at a lower fee would be great for pre-grading cards.

Keep on submitting to CSG bois. I will be buying up the pre-grade slabs to crack .

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mnckla22

CSG 10s of Franco's RC sell for about $34, assuming a grading fee of $12 bulk ($10.80 for elite bulk) you would still clear $22. A PSA 10 clears $25 at $50 grading and $45 at $30 grading.

Problem is, that’s not what you’re actually clearing. Shipping to and from grading, whatever fees for the platform you’re using to sell, and shipping to your buyer. Best case scenario, you have a local buyer for this garbage that will pay you in cash. Highly unlikely. Add cost basis ($5 raw or whatever you paid for the wax to rip it from), and you’re driving yourself down to under $15 for CSG and PSA.

Then consider this card is nothing but a falling knife. By time you get your $50 PSA sub back, it’s probably a $50 card. By time you get your $30 sub back, it’s probably a $30 card. People need to accept that cards like this cannot be graded for profit once the initial wave of morons is done buying. Cards like this (plentiful base superstar RCs) were $25-30 on $8-10 grading before the boom. That’s where they should be again. Lose money on 9s and squeeze out just under $10 on 10s. Spare change in bulk, but hardly something you can make a living off of the way people have been doing the last two years. And honestly, not worth the time for most people.

[grade]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Take a look at current reveals on Youtube/Instagram for PSA/SGC/CSG. People continue to submit crap to get 10's to try to turn a profit. People enjoy grading to lose money on a card so they can make a YouTube video about it. 90% of the reveals people lost money on grading and 10% of people are actually submitting cards they should for the price. People lose 70% of a value of a wax box by opening it and lose 70% more money by grading those crappy cards.

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Unless the card is a rare non-rookie, it is not likely to be graded by me! I have indeed sent some cards during the bubble that lost money at PSA 9, but every order I have sent has been a profit. I am more selective, but I definitely have some additional cards that will be slabbed. The vast majority of what I slab are rookies.

Maybe switch to Pokemon Cards? Where PSA 9's make money, (i wonder what the accepted prices were?)
These type of POKEMON cards could be submitted with PSA bulk $9 sub last year.

Watch and learn from the PSA fanbois. Might actually help you two.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Problem is, that’s not what you’re actually clearing. Shipping to and from grading, whatever fees for the platform you’re using to sell, and shipping to your buyer. Best case scenario, you have a local buyer for this garbage that will pay you in cash. Highly unlikely. Add cost basis ($5 raw or whatever you paid for the wax to rip it from), and you’re driving yourself down to under $15 for CSG and PSA.

Then consider this card is nothing but a falling knife. By time you get your $50 PSA sub back, it’s probably a $50 card. By time you get your $30 sub back, it’s probably a $30 card. People need to accept that cards like this cannot be graded for profit once the initial wave of morons is done buying. Cards like this (plentiful base superstar RCs) were $25-30 on $8-10 grading before the boom. That’s where they should be again. Lose money on 9s and squeeze out just under $10 on 10s. Spare change in bulk, but hardly something you can make a living off of the way people have been doing the last two years. And honestly, not worth the time for most people.

There is no Problem as long as you have your Sell line (buyers) open and your supply line (cost of goods) tight. That is the whole thing building a local relationship and finding buyers outside of the online world.

Again CSG is just part of the plan (if they have good TAT), not the whole plan. Take profits when you can. I have 6 local shows and the San Diego Comic line up for the summer to November. with 700 pokemon slabs ready to sell (All PSA, not the CGC junk "Grade" fell in love with)

But to each their own, I am not going to rain on anyone's parade or dictate what people should be doing with time what people want to do or how they should be selling cards.

Cards already me helped book a fall Cruise, early next year Hawaii trip, and a planned Japan trip for Spring year during the start of recession.

I am not scrubbing Ebay and praying to the PWCC God's with my stuff i am out there shaking hands and making deals and finding cards for my PC at the shows, selling at consignment shops, and finding other venues to sell. And thats the Side hustle.

That is perfect for me.

[grade]

Originally Posted by jjcan

There is no Problem as long as you have your Sell line (buyers) open and your supply line (cost of goods) tight. That is the whole thing building a local relationship and finding buyers outside of the online world.

Again CSG is just part of the plan (if they have good TAT), not the whole plan. Take profits when you can. I have 6 local shows and the San Diego Comic line up for the summer to November. with 700 pokemon slabs ready to sell (All PSA, not the CGC junk "Grade" fell in love with)

But to each their own, I am not going to rain on anyone's parade or dictate what people should be doing with time what people want to do or how they should be selling cards.

Cards already me helped book a fall Cruise, early next year Hawaii trip, and a planned Japan trip for Spring year during the start of recession.

I am not scrubbing Ebay and praying to the PWCC God's with my stuff i am out there shaking hands and making deals and finding cards for my PC at the shows, selling at consignment shops, and finding other venues to sell. And thats the Side hustle.

That is perfect for me.

All your PSA non holo cards are similar to sports ultra modern cards. They not going nowhere. LOL common pokemon cards.

700 $5-$10 pokemon cards will sell fast though. Good luck at your shows.
Have to admit, you are passionate . This is a good trait.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by grade

All your PSA non holo cards are similar to sports ultra modern cards. They not going nowhere. LOL common pokemon cards.

700 $5-$10 pokemon cards will sell fast though. Good luck at your shows.
Have to admit, you are passionate . This is a good trait.

Haha you wish they were non holo/non wotc firsts, 1990s Japanese cards.

But keep missing your love fest with CGC. You have a good trait of being a passionate troll.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jjcan

There is no Problem as long as you have your Sell line (buyers) open and your supply line (cost of goods) tight. That is the whole thing building a local relationship and finding buyers outside of the online world.

Again CSG is just part of the plan (if they have good TAT), not the whole plan. Take profits when you can. I have 6 local shows and the San Diego Comic line up for the summer to November. with 700 pokemon slabs ready to sell (All PSA, not the CGC junk "Grade" fell in love with)

But to each their own, I am not going to rain on anyone's parade or dictate what people should be doing with time what people want to do or how they should be selling cards.

Cards already me helped book a fall Cruise, early next year Hawaii trip, and a planned Japan trip for Spring year during the start of recession.

I am not scrubbing Ebay and praying to the PWCC God's with my stuff i am out there shaking hands and making deals and finding cards for my PC at the shows, selling at consignment shops, and finding other venues to sell. And thats the Side hustle.

That is perfect for me.

You are an outlier. Surely you realize that. Outliers don’t keep the TPGs in business. The average consumer does. And the average consumer can no longer profit effortlessly from the junk they’ve been submitting the last two years. It’s time for things to change. The TPG industry is going to contract. Even PSA. Because I know if I’m holding out sending PC cards in at $30, so are a lot of other people. They’ve already sat on my desk for over a year. Might as well sit for a year more. No need to lay out cash today when my dollar is worth a lot less next year, and the cost of grading will be lower.

[grade]

Originally Posted by jjcan

Haha you wish they were non holo/non wotc firsts, 1990s Japanese cards.

But keep missing your love fest with CGC. You have a good trait of being a passionate troll.

You have no clue . Like Zero. If you had anything worth while, people would know you .

Your PSA 6 Japanese cards are not worth that much. Maybe get your current fees back. LOL

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You are an outlier. Surely you realize that. Outliers don’t keep the TPGs in business. The average consumer does. And the average consumer can no longer profit effortlessly from the junk they’ve been submitting the last two years. It’s time for things to change. The TPG industry is going to contract. Even PSA. Because I know if I’m holding out sending PC cards in at $30, so are a lot of other people. They’ve already sat on my desk for over a year. Might as well sit for a year more. No need to lay out cash today when my dollar is worth a lot less next year, and the cost of grading will be lower.

Thanks for that. What I do is not typically normal to move these slabs.

I agree, most PSA costs for new stuff make no sense to send.

A lot of the local stuff/ultra modern (junk) I have been sending to CSG were stuff that was suppose to go PSA bulk and for sure but at the $50, $30 makes no sense, unless you had buyers lined up. And even then it is hard to make them wait that long.

I am basically hoping that after the summer shows, SDCC and the last shows this year, that PSA grading is really cheap, and if not there really is not good solution for bulk.

CSG TAT can only last so long, and I think the TPGs will start laying off people once the prices are low and the ROI is gone, PSA included.

But in the end, i can always sell Raw cards, just like in the past shows pre 2018. Just probably wont be as exciting.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by grade

You have no clue . Like Zero. If you had anything worth while, people would know you .

Your PSA 6 Japanese cards are not worth that much. Maybe get your current fees back. LOL

Trust me Everyone knows you... Have fun at Costco.

[grade]

Originally Posted by jjcan

Trust me Everyone knows you... Have fun at Costco.

You talk about a grind to flip. But where is your great pokemon collection?

LOL.

I dont flip like you , i collect and sell if they buyer pays the premium cause they cannot find it anywhere else.

Nothing wrong with flipping, i really respect that grind, But your 700 slabs are probably just like all the other tables at shows, nothing special.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by grade

You talk about a grind to flip. But where is your great pokemon collection?

LOL.

I dont flip like you , i collect and sell if they buyer pays the premium cause they cannot find it anywhere else.

Nothing wrong with flipping, i really respect that grind, But your 700 slabs are probably just like all the other tables at shows, nothing special.

My collection is in my safe, with my guns and cards, with my sealed wotc Pokemon boxes.

Go buy yourself a personality if you can find one at Costco it might be on sale.

My slabs might not be special to you, but the people I sell them to are thankful, and really their thanks means a lot more than anything you have done for me reading your posts.

So go peddle your self appointed rich superior self and see if CGC can grade that for you.

[grade]

Originally Posted by jjcan

My collection is in my safe, with my guns and cards, with my sealed wotc Pokemon boxes.

Go buy yourself a personality if you can find one at Costco it might be on sale.

My slabs might not be special to you, but the people I sell them to are thankful, and really their thanks means a lot more than anything you have done for me reading your posts.

So go peddle your self appointed rich superior self and see if CGC can grade that for you.

LOL, dont take it out on your kids. LOL

The grind is real. When you want some real rare stuff to sell, seriously , contact me. You might be the only one with the vintage Pokemon cards i got for sale or display at any show you do.

I am not rich, just have unrealized value in my collection.

*Note, if you want to separate yourself at any show with Pokemon inventory, contact me.

[jjcan]

Originally Posted by grade

LOL, dont take it out on your kids. LOL

The grind is real. When you want some real rare stuff to sell, seriously , contact me. You might be the only one with the vintage Pokemon cards i got for sale or display at any show you do.

I am not rich, just have unrealized value in my collection.

*Note, if you want to separate yourself at any show with Pokemon inventory, contact me.

Hey sounds good, I have some sealed/unsealed Blister cases (unlimited) I ran into 2 comic cons ago. Never know i, am poor, and I am more into vintage BB, so the Pokemon is just the smartest hold for me now and you might be my future buyer.

Plus I have sold to people with much worse personalities than you.

Thanks.

[grade]

Originally Posted by jjcan

Hey sounds good, I have some sealed/unsealed Blister cases (unlimited) I ran into 2 comic cons ago. Never know i, am poor, and I am more into vintage BB, so the Pokemon is just the smartest hold for me now and you might be my future buyer.

Plus I have sold to people with much worse personalities than you.

Thanks.

My collection is 95% Vintage Japanese Promos. Suggest you keep an eye on Meiji promos , especially 1998 .

I am sure everyone has a great collection that suits there collection goals.

Enough of the smart talk and back to the bashing,


You suck and your collection sucks.

[kon jelly]

Anyone feel like discussing the CSG turnaround times?

Originally Posted by kon jelly

Their turnaround isn't that fast anymore. I've got a bulk that's been there for 3 weeks that is still in "RECEIVED" status. But they're still saying 40 days, so they have plenty of time to still beat their estimate.

Of course the day I post this the sub moves to Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging. Looks like they probably will beat their 40 days listed on the site.

[mnckla22]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Take a look at current reveals on Youtube/Instagram for PSA/SGC/CSG. People continue to submit crap to get 10's to try to turn a profit. People enjoy grading to lose money on a card so they can make a YouTube video about it. 90% of the reveals people lost money on grading and 10% of people are actually submitting cards they should for the price. People lose 70% of a value of a wax box by opening it and lose 70% more money by grading those crappy cards.

Not sure how to respond to multiple people in one post

Discodanman45, You would think they would of learned their lesson grading base Roberts, Bichette, Lux, and Lewis.

Grade, I think they eased up on the centering requirements to be more inline with the other graders.

imbluestreak23, got to agree with you on this. First to the market especially during this downturn in the card market.

KhalDrogo, very good point.

[The_Reverend]

CSG BY THE NUMBERS, 6/20-26

[mnckla22]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

CSG BY THE NUMBERS, 6/20-26

Getting close to that million mark. I think we will see an uptick of cards graded with the looming price increase. I am waiting for a COMC order to arrive to send another bulk order in. Going to create the submissions before the July 5th deadline, good thing they are allowing it to be delivered by September 6th to qualify for the old pricing.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by mnckla22

Getting close to that million mark. I think we will see an uptick of cards graded with the looming price increase. I am waiting for a COMC order to arrive to send another bulk order in. Going to create the submissions before the July 5th deadline, good thing they are allowing it to be delivered by September 6th to qualify for the old pricing.

Indeed. I have one more card to arrive and I will be putting a small Kirill Kaprizov order in the system to capitalize on the old price.