Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

I think your main point is getting missed somehow but I completely agree with you. The cost of making cards hasn’t risen enough to justify the higher retail prices. I think Topps and fanatics finally got tired of seeing distributors taking in record profits over the past 4-5 years and now here we are. The only way it changes is when the initial buyer loses money on a few products. If you think it’s bad now just think, we are about to enter a period that will be the closest thing to a monopoly we’ve ever seen in this hobby. Brace yourself…

Guys high fiving each other over Topps/Panini losing their licenses and rooting instead for Fanatics is hilarious.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ianh182

It's literally pictures printed on to card. Of course the prouction cost is going to be tiny!!

But the production cost for sets with autographs is much higher because they have to pay the people to sign those cards. Same thing with patches/jerseys even if they aren't game worn but obviously more if they are. There are $20-$30 blasters that the production cost for Topps is higher on those than the F1 Sapphire box they charged $750 per box for. The last F1 Sapphire, Star Wars Sapphire, and last UEFA Sapphire the Topps factory cost compared to what they charged were the highest upsell cost in all 3 of those sports/brands history. I doubt there is a close second for all 3. Bowman Draft Sapphire was the same way too. $30 box 2 years ago they charged $200 for this year. For the exact same contents. 32 cards. No autographs.

[rippev]

Opened my metazoo boxes. Some cool art, and hit this numbered card.



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[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

Hmmmm so I went to buy the box, clicked Checkout button and everything, the page glitched out and seemingly didn't put my order through.

I got the confirmation email, but it doesn't show in the Orders page (is there usually a lag?). I can't add another to cart either.

Should I be good?

Same experience with the order. Just received a email, but never saw anything on the place order screen other than the payment failed or something to that degree.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

I think your main point is getting missed somehow but I completely agree with you. The cost of making cards hasn’t risen enough to justify the higher retail prices.

No one has missed any point. We know what he is saying. But it gets old. Who cares how much it cost to make? That is completely irrelevant. What makes him the say-so in how much markup someone can make when selling a product? They can ask whatever the heck they want. It's their product. It's supply and demand. The demand is through the roof. $200 was very fair. Even if it cost them $2 to make.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

In case Fanatics is watching.

Haha comment of the night! And people wonder why they keep raising prices. They know that no matter how much people wine and complain about the price, they’re still going to BUY the Products!

[babybull]

Originally Posted by premium1981

No one has missed any point. We know what he is saying. But it gets old. Who cares how much it cost to make? That is completely irrelevant. What makes him the say-so in how much markup someone can make when selling a product? They can ask whatever the heck they want. It's their product. It's supply and demand. The demand is through the roof. $200 was very fair. Even if it cost them $2 to make.

This is Econ 101. If it is too expensive don't buy it. Why is this so hard for people?

[trendy26]

Just picked up a 2nd box for $299 BIN on eBay. Chances of cancellation = Super High! Haha

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by babybull

This is Econ 101. If it is too expensive don't buy it. Why is this so hard for people?

Because people don't want to miss out on potential flip value. If the cards themselves were more exciting, you wouldn't hear any complaints.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Because people don't want to miss out on potential flip value. If the cards themselves were more exciting, you wouldn't hear any complaints.

They are exciting!!! Screw you!

For real though,I'm already trying to decide how I want to do that set. Probably do base with certain cards orange and gold parallels

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

It will go up due to limited print run alone but no autos will limit the upside. Unlike GPK sapphire there are tons of other SW card products with autos to compete with this.

Yeah no autos and other Star Wars products may slow the rocket ship a little, but Star Wars is a lot more popular than GPK.

And it's the 1st Sapphire of a global brand that is beloved pretty much everywhere

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by premium1981

No one has missed any point. We know what he is saying. But it gets old. Who cares how much it cost to make? That is completely irrelevant. What makes him the say-so in how much markup someone can make when selling a product? They can ask whatever the heck they want. It's their product. It's supply and demand. The demand is through the roof. $200 was very fair. Even if it cost them $2 to make.

Agree. Most/all of us know what moss is saying. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with him. I'm not sure why he keeps beating that drum though.

It's similar to dynamic pricing that most/all pro sports teams have implemented the past few years. When the Lakers or Warriors come to town, those tickets are more expensive than the Thunder and Magic. It doesn't cost the team any more/less to run operations for any specific game. Teams realized they were leaving a lot of meat on the bone back in the day by pricing tickets the same across the board so they decided to take some of those profits for themselves.

Topps is in business to make money. If they can keep their product cost down and charge more...why wouldn't they? Of course it would be great if they still charged $50 for TC Sapphire, but I get it.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

They are exciting!!! Screw you!

For real though,I'm already trying to decide how I want to do that set. Probably do base with certain cards orange and gold parallels

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Yeah no autos and other Star Wars products may slow the rocket ship a little, but Star Wars is a lot more popular than GPK.

And it's the 1st Sapphire of a global brand that is beloved pretty much everywhere

I get it... Star Wars + Sapphire. I'd buy if I was still collecting nonsport.

But a nonsport product without either autos or sketches (that could easily have some) is like turkey without the dressing, sundae with no whipped cream, etc. Sketches in particular would have been great even if it was only a sapphire border.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

I get it... Star Wars + Sapphire. I'd buy if I was still collecting nonsport.

But a nonsport product without either autos or sketches (that could easily have some) is like turkey without the dressing, sundae with no whipped cream, etc. Sketches in particular would have been great even if it was only a sapphire border.

Wrong. Sapphire is about the base and parallels. I’d rather then not muddy the waters with lame sketches and $5 off character autos.

[Skipscards]

Got one.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

They are exciting!!! Screw you!

For real though,I'm already trying to decide how I want to do that set. Probably do base with certain cards orange and gold parallels

I’ll surely be helping you out with whatever I get from one of my boxes. (The other one will remained sealed for now)

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Wrong. Sapphire is about the base and parallels. I’d rather then not muddy the waters with lame sketches and $5 off character autos.

Base and parallels is a sports collector talking. Nonsport was on life support until Inkworks started getting decent signers in the late 90s while Topps was still puttering around with the Lone Gunmen as hits. Regardless of sapphire or any other brand, sketches and autos are a huge draw for nonsport collectors.

[ThoseBackPages]

GPK Sapphire does alright w/o that auto crap

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by premium1981

You are probably a blast to hang out with at cookouts.

“Do you have any idea how cheap it is to make those hot dogs? That’s just left over parts. It probably doesn’t cost a nickel a dog. They should be selling them to us for a quarter a dog. Unreal. Who do they think they are? I should be the one determining the value for everything because I said so. Furthermore, why is it so hot out here? Who said it was ok to have a cookout when it’s this hot? They should have rescheduled when it was more pleasant out here. And why does my chair squeak?”

Literally laughed out loud. Thanks, Premium!!

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Wrong. Sapphire is about the base and parallels. I’d rather then not muddy the waters with lame sketches and $5 off character autos.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

GPK Sapphire does alright w/o that auto crap

Agree with ya'll.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Cost directly from Topps, Panini, UD , etc every trading card box since inception a big part has to do with factory cost. No longer true for select products that normal people have access to. Unless you plan on telling me $750 for a box of Formula 1 Sapphire when factory cost is virtually the same as the year before when they charged $100 per box is normal.

I just don't see how so many people cannot comprehend what Im saying. The resale value for what trading card boxes have cost buying for cost throughout history has had very little or nothing to do with resale value. My argument is it doesn't matter if Star Wars Sapphire is selling on ebay for $50 a box or $5,000. $200 cost is the highest upsell from Topps factory cost in Star Wars trading card history and there isn't a close second.

We can comprehend your argument, but it's so misguided that we dismiss it. Card prices, like those of most things, are based on supply and demand. Not cost plus margin.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

GPK Sapphire does alright w/o that auto crap

It's too bad none of the kids is available to sign. And no costume cards either... bummer.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Base and parallels is a sports collector talking. Nonsport was on life support until Inkworks started getting decent signers in the late 90s while Topps was still puttering around with the Lone Gunmen as hits. Regardless of sapphire or any other brand, sketches and autos are a huge draw for nonsport collectors.

I'm a collector of everything. I played with the action figures in the late 70s and early 80s. I collected GPK when they first came out in grade school. I have a decent size Stellar autograph and Stellar 1/1 sketch collection. I own zero complete Star Wars sets and never found one that I was motivated to complete until this set. I'm glad there are no autos and sketches in this specific set. That would be way too many(15,500 estimated boxes). What I would love is a red/onyx of Vader or Leia.

I think collectors enjoy the different options this hobby offers. Nothing wrong with that.

[cbeauch87]

A kind soul on Reddit sold me his allocated box at cost since he wasn’t interested. You bet I’m double and possibly triple dipping for the public sale tomorrow


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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

We can comprehend your argument, but it's so misguided that we dismiss it. Card prices, like those of most things, are based on supply and demand. Not cost plus margin.

If box prices are based on supply and demand why do Panini and Topps continue to sell hobby product at a fraction of market value to distributors/direct accounts? Hundreds upon hundreds of products for 2 1/2 years straight.