Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by airharrison21

Not sure how anyone could complain about the price. First time Star Wars Sapphire for $199 is great. I would have paid double. This is going to be a fun product. Star Wars fans are going to go crazy over this!!

In case Fanatics is watching.

[mahisamk]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

Hmmmm so I went to buy the box, clicked Checkout button and everything, the page glitched out and seemingly didn't put my order through.

I got the confirmation email, but it doesn't show in the Orders page (is there usually a lag?). I can't add another to cart either.

Should I be good?

Definitely not good. CS told if the order not show in your account, that means it not belong anyone. And it will be canceled and refund. Just happened on me last week for another item.

[Mostown]

Originally Posted by metallicalex777

Figured I'd repost one more time as it seems like we have the gem sapphire parallel names flushed out:

I might be off as it's super fuzzy to read, but this is what I think I see there:

Approximate odds per mini-box of finding *Sequentially Numbered Base Card Parallels
Aqua 1:11
Peridot 1:13
Green 1:21
Orange 1:39
Gold 1:64
Purple 1:96
Red 1:181
Onyx(?) 1:941

"Never tell me the odds"

[Mazman2727]

Correct me if im wrong but 1 out of 941 boxes has a 1/1. 132 card checklist.

941X132=124,212 Boxes.

Am I missing something?

[will650]

Originally Posted by Mazman2727

Correct me if im wrong but 1 out of 941 boxes has a 1/1. 132 card checklist.

941X132=124,212 Boxes.

Am I missing something?

It's pack odds, not box odds.

[Mazman2727]

Originally Posted by will650

It's pack odds, not box odds.

I thought the box says per mini box as the odds?

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by Mazman2727

I thought the box says per mini box as the odds?

It does but the odds shown are per pack, just consider that you are guaranteed at least two parallels per box and remember this is tupps we're dealing with

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by Mostown

"Never tell me the odds"

Ha! On point


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[Mazman2727]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

It does but the odds shown are per pack, just consider that you are guaranteed at least two parallels per box and remember this is tupps we're dealing with

10/4.............

[airharrison21]

They’ve hit $450 already. Was hoping to get a couple more under 400. Don’t think that’s going to happen haha. Guess I’ll try tomorrow!

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by cbeauch87

If it is 1:941 for the (assuming) 1/1 parallel's, at 132 cards in the checklist and (again, assuming) 8 packs of 4 cards per box, that's a print run of about 15,000~ boxes?

Subtracting the 2 exclusive parallels per box, I'm getting 3522 base sets. Not a lot to go around.

Originally Posted by bigtentickets

I'm seeing Aqua, Peridot, Green, Orange, Gold, Purple, Red but can't tell what the 1/1 parallel is ...

Evidence suggests Onyx

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

It will go up due to limited print run alone but no autos will limit the upside. Unlike GPK sapphire there are tons of other SW card products with autos to compete with this.

Never underestimate Sapphire and most importantly, Star Wars fans. The Onyx 1/1 design could actually be better than the Superfractor 1/1 design when it comes to Star Wars.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Subtracting the 2 exclusive parallels per box, I'm getting 3522 base sets. Not a lot to go around.

Evidence suggests Onyx

Never underestimate Sapphire and most importantly, Star Wars fans. The Onyx 1/1 design could actually be better than the Superfractor 1/1 design when it comes to Star Wars.

I wouldn't underestimate the Star Wars fans' desire for completeness but nonsport is all about the autographs. Even without a guaranteed auto per box or only middling signers, values could be exponentially higher.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

I wouldn't underestimate the Star Wars fans' desire for completeness but nonsport is all about the autographs. Even without a guaranteed auto per box or only middling signers, values could be exponentially higher.

I was looking for a base set that is both attainable and a challenge to build. I've limited myself to 1 per year. This fits that criteria for me. It's a throwback to the 1977 set so I'm content.

As for autographs, I only collect Stellar for autographs so I'm not interested in stickers or over-saturation. The value will be fine in the long run.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by premium1981

HOF caliber negativity right here. Congrats!!!!

Yeah Lord forbid anyone complain about the highest cost mark up for actual manufacturing cost for Topps versus sale price in Star Wars trading card history. 32 cards no autos cost them at most dollars per box. Then charge $200 for it. The shipping Topps charges us cost more than cost per box to them. The reason no one is complaining is the resale value. If they were selling for $200 or less on eBay everyone would be complaining about the price.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Yeah Lord forbid anyone complain about the highest cost mark up for actual manufacturing cost for Topps versus sale price in Star Wars trading card history. 32 cards no autos cost them at most dollars per box. Then charge $200 for it. The shipping Topps charges us cost more than cost per box to them. The reason no one is complaining is the resale value. If they were selling for $200 or less on eBay everyone would be complaining about the price.

You are probably a blast to hang out with at cookouts.

“Do you have any idea how cheap it is to make those hot dogs? That’s just left over parts. It probably doesn’t cost a nickel a dog. They should be selling them to us for a quarter a dog. Unreal. Who do they think they are? I should be the one determining the value for everything because I said so. Furthermore, why is it so hot out here? Who said it was ok to have a cookout when it’s this hot? They should have rescheduled when it was more pleasant out here. And why does my chair squeak?”

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Yeah Lord forbid anyone complain about the highest cost mark up for actual manufacturing cost for Topps versus sale price in Star Wars trading card history. 32 cards no autos cost them at most dollars per box. Then charge $200 for it. The shipping Topps charges us cost more than cost per box to them. The reason no one is complaining is the resale value. If they were selling for $200 or less on eBay everyone would be complaining about the price.

Fees for the Star Wars license can't be cheap and is baked into the price for each box.

[1989FF]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Yeah Lord forbid anyone complain about the highest cost mark up for actual manufacturing cost for Topps versus sale price in Star Wars trading card history. 32 cards no autos cost them at most dollars per box. Then charge $200 for it. The shipping Topps charges us cost more than cost per box to them. The reason no one is complaining is the resale value. If they were selling for $200 or less on eBay everyone would be complaining about the price.

To be fair, all I see you do is bitch.

[BabaORiley]

Got mine. Probably the only person on the board planning on ripping rather than holding or flipping but my youngest is going through a pretty massive Star Wars phase right now and this looks like fun - assuming I can sleeve each card before he touches it, I suppose.

[eastbayak]

Well, just bought a second box on the secondary market.

Made some money from betting on the Golden State Warriors to win the NBA Finals and basically threw that money into securing (hopefully 2, definitely 1) boxes of Star Wars Sapphire.

Thank you, Stephen Curry!

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Fees for the Star Wars license can't be cheap and is baked into the price for each box.

So why don't they charge $200 for blasters then? Those $20-$25 blasters that have autos Topps total cost per box is higher than the $200 Sapphire boxes. Even without autos the $20-$25 blaster the cost is right around the same as the $200 Sapphire box.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by premium1981

You are probably a blast to hang out with at cookouts.

“Do you have any idea how cheap it is to make those hot dogs? That’s just left over parts. It probably doesn’t cost a nickel a dog. They should be selling them to us for a quarter a dog. Unreal. Who do they think they are? I should be the one determining the value for everything because I said so. Furthermore, why is it so hot out here? Who said it was ok to have a cookout when it’s this hot? They should have rescheduled when it was more pleasant out here. And why does my chair squeak?”

Cost directly from Topps, Panini, UD , etc every trading card box since inception a big part has to do with factory cost. No longer true for select products that normal people have access to. Unless you plan on telling me $750 for a box of Formula 1 Sapphire when factory cost is virtually the same as the year before when they charged $100 per box is normal.

I just don't see how so many people cannot comprehend what Im saying. The resale value for what trading card boxes have cost buying for cost throughout history has had very little or nothing to do with resale value. My argument is it doesn't matter if Star Wars Sapphire is selling on ebay for $50 a box or $5,000. $200 cost is the highest upsell from Topps factory cost in Star Wars trading card history and there isn't a close second.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

So why don't they charge $200 for blasters then? Those $20-$25 blasters that have autos Topps total cost per box is higher than the $200 Sapphire boxes. Even without autos the $20-$25 blaster the cost is right around the same as the $200 Sapphire box.

Hardly anyone would pay more than $20 for a Star Wars blaster so it's easy to shift costs over to the hobby boxes. Same thing goes for sports licenses. Plus no one at Topps would bat an eye at vastly inflating any sapphire product since customers are making bank on secondary.

Long story short... because they can.

[akabruno]

Just got back from the Brewers-Cards game, and glad I checked the board

Still available and able to secure my 1 box.

[ianh182]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Cost directly from Topps, Panini, UD , etc every trading card box since inception a big part has to do with factory cost. No longer true for select products that normal people have access to. Unless you plan on telling me $750 for a box of Formula 1 Sapphire when factory cost is virtually the same as the year before when they charged $100 per box is normal.

I just don't see how so many people cannot comprehend what Im saying. The resale value for what trading card boxes have cost buying for cost throughout history has had very little or nothing to do with resale value. My argument is it doesn't matter if Star Wars Sapphire is selling on ebay for $50 a box or $5,000. $200 cost is the highest upsell from Topps factory cost in Star Wars trading card history and there isn't a close second.

It's literally pictures printed on to card. Of course the prouction cost is going to be tiny!!

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Cost directly from Topps, Panini, UD , etc every trading card box since inception a big part has to do with factory cost. No longer true for select products that normal people have access to. Unless you plan on telling me $750 for a box of Formula 1 Sapphire when factory cost is virtually the same as the year before when they charged $100 per box is normal.

I just don't see how so many people cannot comprehend what Im saying. The resale value for what trading card boxes have cost buying for cost throughout history has had very little or nothing to do with resale value. My argument is it doesn't matter if Star Wars Sapphire is selling on ebay for $50 a box or $5,000. $200 cost is the highest upsell from Topps factory cost in Star Wars trading card history and there isn't a close second.

I think your main point is getting missed somehow but I completely agree with you. The cost of making cards hasn’t risen enough to justify the higher retail prices. I think Topps and fanatics finally got tired of seeing distributors taking in record profits over the past 4-5 years and now here we are. The only way it changes is when the initial buyer loses money on a few products. If you think it’s bad now just think, we are about to enter a period that will be the closest thing to a monopoly we’ve ever seen in this hobby. Brace yourself…