Yordan Alvarez

[noaskiecards]

You know it's special when yesterday they walked Yordan to load the bases to pitch to Kyle Tucker.
Then Tucker had a base clearing double where Yordan scored from first after being held up at third but running home through the sign.

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[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Even BBases31 is impressed with how backwards you bent on that one. Because, you know, baseball players never show emotion when a teammate guns down a runner at home for a third out. Also, in case you’re not aware, a runner usually gets thrown out at home because his attempt to score was already high risk when he rounded third.


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Try harder when quoting me! This is really weak. So you’re trying to prove my point that the play wasn’t special at all?


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[mfw13]

The extent to which Alvarez is being ignored by the hobby is astounding.

I just picked up a 2022 Heritage Black Chrome of him for $32.....comparable stars like Acuna/Soto/Trout/Ohtani/Tatis/Vlad Jr., etc. are selling for $100-300.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The extent to which Alvarez is being ignored by the hobby is astounding.

I just picked up a 2022 Heritage Black Chrome of him for $32.....comparable stars like Acuna/Soto/Trout/Ohtani/Tatis/Vlad Jr., etc. are selling for $100-300.

Sounds like a great time to buy.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Try harder when quoting me! This is really weak. So you’re trying to prove my point that the play wasn’t special at all?


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Defend that bridge!

Admittedly, I did not put much effort into my response. I merely just read your comment, and thought, “well, that’s really dumb. And here’s why…”


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

That's a pretty clean looking 9 too.

TC Black is a big gap in my Yordan collection... I don't think I have a single one.

I’m torn on the set. It’s not annoying like Baller, but it’s probably as unnecessary. At the same time, they’re sharp cards that come in color refractors. Not exactly a bad thing.


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The extent to which Alvarez is being ignored by the hobby is astounding.

I just picked up a 2022 Heritage Black Chrome of him for $32.....comparable stars like Acuna/Soto/Trout/Ohtani/Tatis/Vlad Jr., etc. are selling for $100-300.

His 2nd and 3rd year stuff is definitely cheap, but his 2020 stuff is flying today along with BCAs.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Defend that bridge!

Admittedly, I did not put much effort into my response. I merely just read your comment, and thought, “well, that’s really dumb. And here’s why…”


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Funny…felt the exact same thing about yours. At least we can agree on that. Yordan 4 MVP!


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[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The extent to which Alvarez is being ignored by the hobby is astounding.

I just picked up a 2022 Heritage Black Chrome of him for $32.....comparable stars like Acuna/Soto/Trout/Ohtani/Tatis/Vlad Jr., etc. are selling for $100-300.

He’s a DH on one of the most hated teams in baseball. He has 2 of the 5 tools. You can’t compare him to those other guys.


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Funny…felt the exact same thing about yours. At least we can agree on that. Yordan 4 MVP!


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I doubt there's anyone here that agrees with your ridiculous takes other than BBases, which should tell you something.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m torn on the set. It’s not annoying like Baller, but it’s probably as unnecessary. At the same time, they’re sharp cards that come in color refractors. Not exactly a bad thing.


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I don't think it's unnecessary like Ben Baller. The gloss and refraction against the matte is new and different, in a good way.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

I doubt there's anyone here that agrees with your ridiculous takes other than BBases, which should tell you something.

Tell me what’s inaccurate?


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Tell me what’s inaccurate?


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You completely ignored the counter point about Harper being a DH and his betting odds a few pages back.

Labelling Yordan as only a DH during a game that he's playing the field, no less, which he's done more and more each year in the league to the point where he's at about a 50-50 or so split this year. No one is arguing he's an elite defender, but it's equally stupid to argue he's only a DH. I guess Brantley is just a DH too. Huh, funny, two full time DHs. How does that work?

Your take on the play in eye's video. The fact that you believe you know what the players were laughing about enough to argue definitively is just plain stupid.

"A DH can't be a superstar" is another doozy.

I can go on, but it's a complete waste of my time.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

He’s a DH on one of the most hated teams in baseball. He has 2 of the 5 tools. You can’t compare him to those other guys.


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Those just happen to be the two tools that the hobby pays for the most.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

Those just happen to be the two tools that the hobby pays for the most.

Are they? Just above...its being said that he's way underpriced in comparison to the 5 tool guys. If those 2 tools were all that mattered to the hobby...he wouldn't be so far behind in price. Can you guys at least get on the same page before responding to me?

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

Those just happen to be the two tools that the hobby pays for the most.

Can we count Yordan's arm as a third tool? It is plenty strong and I think he's more or less gotten over accuracy issues. And he does actually make a great throw every once on a while.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

I don't think it's unnecessary like Ben Baller. The gloss and refraction against the matte is new and different, in a good way.

That’s a good point. Admittedly, it’s the name that bugs me. It’s a unique design that deserves a unique name. (i.e. not Chrome)


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

That’s a good point. Admittedly, it’s the name that bugs me. It’s a unique design that deserves a unique name. (i.e. not Chrome)


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Ha, I guess I didn't pay enough attention to notice with the name, but you're right. It's not Chrome.

They did apparently use a new technique to make the cards, so they probably should have come up with a new name. Topps Matte would've worked fine.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

You completely ignored the counter point about Harper being a DH and his betting odds a few pages back.

Labelling Yordan as only a DH during a game that he's playing the field, no less, which he's done more and more each year in the league to the point where he's at about a 50-50 or so split this year. No one is arguing he's an elite defender, but it's equally stupid to argue he's only a DH. I guess Brantley is just a DH too. Huh, funny, two full time DHs. How does that work?

Your take on the play in eye's video. The fact that you believe you know what the players were laughing about enough to argue definitively is just plain stupid.

"A DH can't be a superstar" is another doozy.

I can go on, but it's a complete waste of my time.

This isn't the Harper thread.

72% of the games he's started in the big leagues are as a DH. He's a 2 tool player.

You chose to focus on what I thought the guys were laughing at, instead of focusing on me saying the play (that was being used to show he can play the field, lol) wasn't special. Don't shift the focus.

So is he a DH or not?

Im having a blast! You can stop responding if you want. Up to you.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Are they? Just above...its being said that he's way underpriced in comparison to the 5 tool guys. If those 2 tools were all that mattered to the hobby...he wouldn't be so far behind in price. Can you guys at least get on the same page before responding to me?

Why do people care about Soto and Vlad? Those two are just as 2 tool as Yordan.

[eye4talent]

I remember buying many rookie cards of two-tool Juan Soto after the 2018 season, then again after the 2019 season. (Even after he led the Nats to the title.) I was very happy when the hobby belatedly fell in love with him.


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

This isn't the Harper thread.

Doesn't matter, it completely contradicted your point which is why you ignored it.

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

72% of the games he's started in the big leagues are as a DH. He's a 2 tool player.

It's near 50% this year and if your argument is that being a DH is the reason why he's not an MVP candidate, then previous years are irrelevant. And the Harper point remains valid.

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

You chose to focus on what I thought the guys were laughing at, instead of focusing on me saying the play (that was being used to show he can play the field, lol) wasn't special. Don't shift the focus.

He clearly made the throw as Garcia was rounding third in the video. No need to argue that point when you're quite obviously wrong.

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

So is he a DH or not?

He can be more than one thing.

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Im having a blast! You can stop responding if you want. Up to you.

This is where I'll leave it.

Enjoy.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

Doesn't matter, it completely contradicted your point which is why you ignored it.

It's near 50% this year and if your argument is that being a DH is the reason why he's not an MVP candidate, then previous years are irrelevant. And the Harper point remains valid.

He clearly made the throw as Garcia was rounding third in the video. No need to argue that point when you're quite obviously wrong.

He can be more than one thing.

This is where I'll leave it.

Enjoy.

Will do! See you the next time I remind people he wont win the MVP.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Will do! See you the next time I remind people he wont win the MVP.

Well I guess that means Harpers out as MVP contender in the NL.


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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Are they? Just above...its being said that he's way underpriced in comparison to the 5 tool guys. If those 2 tools were all that mattered to the hobby...he wouldn't be so far behind in price. Can you guys at least get on the same page before responding to me?

All of the "five tool" guys that are way above him are in the same class or better with the two tools. The difference in price is mostly age plus a little because their explosiveness was during the Covid Boom. Prices are already converging and will continue to do so as long as Yordan produces at their level.

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Can we count Yordan's arm as a third tool? It is plenty strong and I think he's more or less gotten over accuracy issues. And he does actually make a great throw every once on a while.

That tool does not matter at all for the hobby. I mean it carried Shawon Dunston for a little while, but as soon as people figured out he couldn't hit that was it.

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Why do people care about Soto and Vlad? Those two are just as 2 tool as Yordan.

Ding ding ding. It's not like Acuna (.281/42 HR per 162) and Tatis (.292/48) are slouches with hit and power. Vlad (.282/35 but .298/48 since age 22) himself is basically the exact same player as Yordan (.295/44 since age 22).

Yordan is also missing hardware relative to those guys. That will change in a few weeks with his first all star appearance. If the season ended today he'd finish top 5 in the MVP voting. The only thing holding his cards back right now is the market!