Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[vinnieb]

Originally Posted by BRob1

It’s all speculation at this point, but i believe it is still in stock even now. I can’t imagine a scenario where these would still be sitting 6 hours later regardless how many boxes were available.


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Yeah, I mean that makes sense. I'm going to hold out hope that the 1 per order limit and maybe better bot detection/cancellation on Topps's end, as well as the odd hours that they came back on sale, helped slow sales down (maybe?) and stretched availability, but that does seem unrealistic...

[buddycunningham]

Originally Posted by Merkle14

Did you presale it on ebay?

Nope.. this was for personal consumption..

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[buddycunningham]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

Who's going to call Topps and ask if this was legit?!

When I was asking about my mc orders I asked if the thousands sold here in the past day were real they said they could not answer that question

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[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Interesting view. Not sure how that is any different than someone using bots. I don't care, just saying.

Because everyone has the same level playing field of obtaining the boxes by manually creating accounts. Also, one person isn't able to order 250 boxes in less than a minute.....

[Merkle14]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Because everyone has the same level playing field of obtaining the boxes by manually creating accounts. Also, one person isn't able to order 250 boxes in less than a minute.....

I believe what you are getting at is premeditation, I think both qualify really, one is worse than the other tho.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Because everyone has the same level playing field of obtaining the boxes by manually creating accounts. Also, one person isn't able to order 250 boxes in less than a minute.....

It’s still circumventing the rules.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by buddycunningham

When I was asking about my mc orders I asked if the thousands sold here in the past day were real they said they could not answer that question

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I’m curious what you did to get on their radar. you’re far from the only one with multiple mc accounts.


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[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It’s still circumventing the rules.

Agreed. I am just stating botting is far worse. I actually don't have a problem with collectors getting a couple boxes by creating a couple accounts. If they are creating large amounts of accounts, yes that gets to be more to your point. If Topps would throw us peasants a few more crumbs by allowing us to purchase more boxes(maybe 3?), then there would be no bottom feeding...

[ohio_mba]

I think the sweet spot was only ordering 2-3 boxes. Topps might be a little lenient if they see you didn't go overboard with it. I remember last year there was a short-lived glitch with their site with one of the sapphire products where you could order more than one on the same account. They fixed it relatively quickly but I ordered three and got every one of them.

[buddycunningham]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I’m curious what you did to get on their radar. you’re far from the only one with multiple mc accounts.


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I even used different payment methods? Idk just frustrated that I am singled out.. oh well.. I'll keep y'all in the know.

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[cj828282]

Has anyone heard of bot orders being canceled? I have not seen anything on social media.

[ccovert74]

Originally Posted by buddycunningham

Two emails.. I didn't even do public because I didn't want to be greedy.. and before people complain about multiple memberships, I tried to cancel one before because I did it under the wrong email and they said sorry but all sales are final 2 months after I signed up for it...

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I have 2 memberships, one I bought on mistake when it was a renewal and the second when it was the actual sale. Topps told me to just purchase under a separate email so I did. I have had 2 memberships for the past 2 years and buy from both accounts. Never received any cancelation from any of the sales. I did try and do the public sale but it stated I already purchased the max amount. Sorry this has happened to you.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by buddycunningham

Just got off the phone.. I violated their terms of service.. that's all she would/could tell me...

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That's a bulls*it answer they gave you.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Agreed. I am just stating botting is far worse. I actually don't have a problem with collectors getting a couple boxes by creating a couple accounts. If they are creating large amounts of accounts, yes that gets to be more to your point. If Topps would throw us peasants a few more crumbs by allowing us to purchase more boxes(maybe 3?), then there would be no bottom feeding...

My point is both are circumventing the rules to get more boxes than allowed.

It’s really the same.

[Boulder487]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Making multiple accounts to bypass the limits is "fair and square"?

Genuinely curious why that is acceptable but bots are hated. Both seem shady to me and manipulate the system.

Completely agree. Making 15 new accounts is the same concept of circumventing the rules. Making 1 more to get another box as a collector I feel is fine, but going overboard like that is just as filthy as botting.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Interesting view. Not sure how that is any different than someone using bots. I don't care, just saying.

Explain to me how creating multiple accounts through establishing email addresses is similar to bots? Bots are all about the competitive advantage because the normal person can’t just create one. Yet with opening multiple accounts with emails, any person can easily do that. Level playing field.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

My point is both are circumventing the rules to get more boxes than allowed.

It’s really the same.

Look, I am not going to get into semantics with you. I know you want to compare this to botting, and honestly, if you cannot see the difference, then I cannot help you. That's like saying a crime is a crime. Shoplifting a candy bar is the same as grand theft.....

Originally Posted by Boulder487

Completely agree. Making 15 new accounts is the same concept of circumventing the rules. Making 1 more to get another box as a collector I feel is fine, but going overboard like that is just as filthy as botting.

Yes, that is what I am saying, for the normal collector to obtain what would be a normal allocation of 2-3 boxes. I am not condoning stupid amounts of accounts.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Boulder487

Completely agree. Making 15 new accounts is the same concept of circumventing the rules. Making 1 more to get another box as a collector I feel is fine, but going overboard like that is just as filthy as botting.

It’s definitely not as bad as a bot, but I do get your point. It’s a bit greedy.

[daktmacfan]

Originally Posted by CapeTownCards

Yay! Woke up to find these available. Shout out to the people on the board!
I made new accounts as quick as I could and got 15 more… busuy with number 16 and it shows “sold out”…

All in all 19 purchased, so not a bad day. I guess the botters got booted lol

Care to share what email service is the quickest to make a new email account, or do you administer your own mail server?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Look, I am not going to get into semantics with you. I know you want to compare this to botting, and honestly, if you cannot see the difference, then I cannot help you. That's like saying a crime is a crime. Shoplifting a candy bar is the same as grand theft.....



Yes, that is what I am saying, for the normal collector to obtain what would be a normal allocation of 2-3 boxes. I am not condoning stupid amounts of accounts.

Botting is legal.
Creating extra accounts is legal.
Both are in violation of Topps TOS.

The “semantics” you are talking about are simply parameters you have laid out for what is acceptable and not. In reality that is all opinion based around what a “real collector should do”. The fact is, that creating extra accounts whether manual or by a bot is ultimately the same thing and Topps agrees.

I’m not asking for your help. I’m pointing out the errancy in your logic

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Botting is legal.
Creating extra accounts is legal.
Both are in violation of Topps TOS.

The “semantics” you are talking about are simply parameters you have laid out for what is acceptable and not. In reality that is all opinion based around what a “real collector should do”. The fact is, that creating extra accounts whether manual or by a bot is ultimately the same thing and Topps agrees.

I’m not asking for your help. I’m pointing out the errancy in your logic

You win... Maybe I should rephrase that of the violations of Topps TOS, I feel that the former is less malicious as the latter.

[ctcardexchange]

Can someone start a thread just for complaining? This thread has a lot of activity, but for all the wrong reasons

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[Fanatics2026]

I remember last year someone was trying to manipulate the system and wound up losing access to ore buy products. They were able to still get the membership guarantees but couldn’t buy product.

[evshingles]

Originally Posted by ctcardexchange

Can someone start a thread just for complaining? This thread has a lot of activity, but for all the wrong reasons

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Brilliant. And talk about first world complaints! I'm sure Topps buyers in Ukraine are worried about timely delivery of their Metazoo boxes and bots buying up too many Sapphire releases. Whiners go enjoy some baseball and your ability to purchase Topps products in the first place.

[buddycunningham]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

That's a bulls*it answer they gave you.

Thank you for contacting Topps Customer service.



Your order placed through the http://www.topps.com website (the “Site”) was not accepted and will not be processed. Pursuant to the Service Terms & Conditions applicable to orders submitted through the Site, an order is not accepted unless and until the products included in the order are shipped to you, and we expressly reserve the right to not accept orders for any reason in our sole discretion. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.



Best regards,
Jim
Customer Service Representative



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