Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker

[The_Reverend]

I am sold! Arrived 4/29 and I just got the email my cards, 20 card economy shipped today!!! Should receive 05/10/2022. My grades are exactly as I expected.

Big dollar cards possible
KEVIN DURANT FLEER GLOSSY CSG 9.5
Tom Brady Certifued Gold Team CSG 10 & 9.5
Kirill Kaprizov Sunset CSG 10

[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Good looking stuff. With the label change and dropping them on a black background, they really do look like an SGC slab with a better label and clearer picture.

They may look like a SGC slab in pictures, but in hand they are much (much!) higher quality.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by KeltonB

They may look like a SGC slab in pictures, but in hand they are much (much!) higher quality.

You are absolutely correct. The feel of CSG is superior to SGC and PSA.

[TSonn]

Had an economy order delivered on 5/2, received 5/4, graded and shipped back to me 5/5. Love it.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Had an economy order delivered on 5/2, received 5/4, graded and shipped back to me 5/5. Love it.

Are you serious! I thought mine was fast! I think turnaround time will push them into #2 sooner than later. For the flippers, speed is everything. The market can shift very quick.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Are you serious! I thought mine was fast! I think turnaround time will push them into #2 sooner than later. For the flippers, speed is everything. The market can shift very quick.

It wouldn't surprise me if they turn into #2 for cards after 1990, but there is no way that they will beat SGC for vintage or paper based cards in the 1980's. SGC has really hit a certain demographic of middle aged people that have come back to cards from the 80's and 90's. It is going to be hard for CSG to take away these now loyal customers. I have watched many reveal videos and it does look like they relaxed standards and are more in line with PSA/SGC. Some of the junk wax and vintage still seem a little loosey goosey for me.

If I see more base 1990's Jordans graded in reveal videos I am going to loose my mind. There are literally hundreds of thousands of each of these cards in 9 or 10 shape.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Are you serious! I thought mine was fast! I think turnaround time will push them into #2 sooner than later. For the flippers, speed is everything. The market can shift very quick.

It was only 5 cards so that may had helped the speed. Still great service. USPS will have my cards 3x longer than CSG lol.

[grade]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

You are absolutely correct. The feel of CSG is superior to SGC and PSA.

CTA felt better than PSA 2 decades ago. CTA also had 9 zone grading front and back with a report on those zones included.


Cracked some CTA 9's and cross them over to PSA . Yes came back PSA 10's.

It is what it is. It is less about feel, tough grading and more about doing the right thing for youself. Right now PSA is the right thing for me value wise .

Have about 1000 CSG and CGC slabs that looks nice but 1/2 or 1/4 the value as the same graded PSA cards. Regret saving a couple bucks on each slab and wished i just went straight to PSA. Now i have CGC/CSG with different labels, grading scale and inconsistent grades. What a waste of time and money.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

CTA felt better than PSA 2 decades ago. CTA also had 9 zone grading front and back with a report on those zones included.


Cracked some CTA 9's and cross them over to PSA . Yes came back PSA 10's.

It is what it is. It is less about feel, tough grading and more about doing the right thing for youself. Right now PSA is the right thing for me value wise .

Have about 1000 CSG and CGC slabs that looks nice but 1/2 or 1/4 the value as the same graded PSA cards. Regret saving a couple bucks on each slab and wished i just went straight to PSA. Now i have CGC/CSG with different labels, grading scale and inconsistent grades. What a waste of time and money.

Patience my friend......CSG will continue to close the gap. But if you sent 1000 cards in, I'm sure many were the Kyle Lewis, Gavin Lux type which really have no value regardless. On the bright side, if you sent those to PSA at the time, you would still be waiting for them to come back.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by grade

CTA felt better than PSA 2 decades ago. CTA also had 9 zone grading front and back with a report on those zones included.


Cracked some CTA 9's and cross them over to PSA . Yes came back PSA 10's.

It is what it is. It is less about feel, tough grading and more about doing the right thing for youself. Right now PSA is the right thing for me value wise .

Have about 1000 CSG and CGC slabs that looks nice but 1/2 or 1/4 the value as the same graded PSA cards. Regret saving a couple bucks on each slab and wished i just went straight to PSA. Now i have CGC/CSG with different labels, grading scale and inconsistent grades. What a waste of time and money.

You mean... at least $38 per card (CSG bulk = $12 vs PSA lowest option = $50)?

$38 x 1000 = you saved $38,000.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

You are absolutely correct. The feel of CSG is superior to SGC and PSA.

Got my bulk order back the other day,im not the biggest fan of CSG TBH,but even i cant deny the slab is the nicer of PSA,SGC,CSG.the new label is a better look in the slab (though i was a fan of the old label W/subs).The grading still on the easy side imo,but a little tuffer than my first order when they first opened.

It does seem CSG slabs are more predominate on Ebay now than before the label change.Or maybe it was just the particular cards i was searching?but that was my impression.

[grade]

Originally Posted by TSonn

You mean... at least $38 per card?

$38 x 1000 = you saved $38,000.

You mean your late to the party? It is $9 per card bulk when i sent it to PSA.

My mistake was not just sending EVERYTHING TO PSA for $9 instead of saving a couple bucks on second and third tier TPG.

Now i have 1000 dated csg/cgc slabs after only one year. wtf?

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by grade

You mean your late to the party? It is $9 per card bulk when i sent it to PSA.

My mistake was not just sending EVERYTHING TO PSA for $9 instead of saving a couple bucks on second and third tier TPG.

Now i have 1000 dated csg/cgc slabs after only one year. wtf?

If you're talking strictly CSG... there has been no PSA option under $50/card since CSG has been open that you'd have your cards back in hand and able to sell.

So you're talking in fairy tales about a situation that's impossible.

And if we're talking about the early stages of CSG, then it was $8 per card (- 10% if you were a member), so you saved $42 per card for $42,000 in this hypothetical situation.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

You mean your late to the party? It is $9 per card bulk when i sent it to PSA.

My mistake was not just sending EVERYTHING TO PSA for $9 instead of saving a couple bucks on second and third tier TPG.

Now i have 1000 dated csg/cgc slabs after only one year. wtf?

If that is true, it was a "cheapskate" move on your part. However, there is no way that was true. CSG opened up in late Feb. 2021 and prices at PSA were 15 for UM at that time. It went up to $25 on 3/1/21 so you would have had to be the 1st to send cards to CSG which I find very unlikely. Therefore, you are outed as a PSA shill.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

If that is true, it was a "cheapskate" move on your part. However, there is no way that was true. CSG opened up in late Feb. 2021 and prices at PSA were 15 for UM at that time. It went up to $25 on 3/1/21 so you would have had to be the 1st to send cards to CSG which I find very unlikely. Therefore, you are outed as a PSA shill.

If grade used the UM service at $15 per, would they even have their cards back yet to sell?

I'm trying to keep the conversation in reality that ever since CSG has been open, any service from PSA that you'd have your cards back at this moment (you know, to sell like grade is saying) costs at least $50/card.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by TSonn

If grade used the UM service at $15 per, would they even have their cards back yet to sell?

I'm trying to keep the conversation in reality that ever since CSG has been open, any service from PSA that you'd have your cards back at this moment (you know, to sell like grade is saying) costs at least $50/card.

Great point that there is no way Grade would have his cards back from PSA. I agree that resale value isn't there YET with CSG, but I'm sure they will eventually close the gap.

[The_Reverend]

anything sent to PSA 1 year ago was more expensive than CSG and likely not back yet. CSG TOOK A WHILE, but they adjusted with their standard and label. PSA is tops for now, as BGS was before COVID! The black label scandal hurt BGS bad, they never really confessed. Will the trimming scandal hurt PSA? Not likely because there are lots of cards in PSA slabs. I too have some, but except for certain cards, I don’t deal in high 4 and 5 figure cards, I am going CSG. They are not likely to be the pre-1990 alternative, but post they will close the ROI gap on the others. I am not a fanboi, I have graded with each of the big 4.

[grade]

Originally Posted by TSonn

If you're talking strictly CSG... there has been no PSA option under $50/card since CSG has been open that you'd have your cards back in hand and able to sell.

So you're talking in fairy tales about a situation that's impossible.

And if we're talking about the early stages of CSG, then it was $8 per card (- 10% if you were a member), so you saved $42 per card for $42,000 in this hypothetical situation.

I SAID CGC AND CSG .
It was $7.20 for bulk CGC
It was $8.50-$9 for bulk at PSA

Saving a $1.30 on each slab probably cost me $10,000's Not joking.

Side note since you have no clue about grading early with CGC(CSG). CGC made an announced they were going to open up to SPORT CARDS, so many people that were early in CGC waited for them to open SPORTSCARDS. IT TOOK MONTHS for them to actually open to sports cards under CSG. By that time PSA subs closed . SO YOU NEED TO BE A ACTUAL EARLY USER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

I still have credit with CGC for crappy grading . Never used it yet. That is how bad the grading was.

[grade]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

If that is true, it was a "cheapskate" move on your part. However, there is no way that was true. CSG opened up in late Feb. 2021 and prices at PSA were 15 for UM at that time. It went up to $25 on 3/1/21 so you would have had to be the 1st to send cards to CSG which I find very unlikely. Therefore, you are outed as a PSA shill.

You have no clue. CGC made a announcement so many people that actually used CGC was waiting for the sports division. They opened MANY MONTHS LATE and screwed the early users with delays.

I gave CGC a chance, if they were even average , i would have sent 1,000's of cards to them. I give various TPG a try if they seem to have a good plan , CGC seemed like a good option. But in one year, they changed labels and have 3 different basic labels now, changed grading standards a minimum of 3 times, Never graded a card to a true grade unless you PAID for sub grades, changed slabs, etc.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

You have no clue. CGC made a announcement so many people that actually used CGC was waiting for the sports division. They opened MANY MONTHS LATE and screwed the early users with delays.

I gave CGC a chance, if they were even average , i would have sent 1,000's of cards to them. I give various TPG a try if they seem to have a good plan , CGC seemed like a good option. But in one year, they changed labels and have 3 different basic labels now, changed grading standards a minimum of 3 times, Never graded a card to a true grade unless you PAID for sub grades, changed slabs, etc.

So you are to have us believe that you sent 1000 cards to CGC without giving a trial run of 50 cards to see how they grade to save a few $$ (I would love to see your order for proof of time and date which I know you can do). I think you are just upset that CGC graded your cards more strict than PSA does and you know that your PSA slabs will not continue to have the premium they currently have.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by grade

I SAID CGC AND CSG .
It was $7.20 for bulk CGC
It was $8.50-$9 for bulk at PSA

Saving a $1.30 on each slab probably cost me $10,000's Not joking.

Side note since you have no clue about grading early with CGC(CSG). CGC made an announced they were going to open up to SPORT CARDS, so many people that were early in CGC waited for them to open SPORTSCARDS. IT TOOK MONTHS for them to actually open to sports cards under CSG. By that time PSA subs closed . SO YOU NEED TO BE A ACTUAL EARLY USER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

I still have credit with CGC for crappy grading . Never used it yet. That is how bad the grading was.

What do your sports cards look like in CSC slabs?

[grade]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

So you are to have us believe that you sent 1000 cards to CGC without giving a trial run of 50 cards to see how they grade to save a few $$ (I would love to see your order for proof of time and date which I know you can do). I think you are just upset that CGC graded your cards more strict than PSA does and you know that your PSA slabs will not continue to have the premium they currently have.

1000 cards, why not? I have 10,000+ cards to submit.

I wanted CGC to succeed. They just change directions and too inconsistent right now.
2020 post i started on CGC.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1429840

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

1000 cards, why not? I have 10,000+ cards to submit.

I wanted CGC to succeed. They just change directions and too inconsistent right now.
2020 post i started on CGC.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1429840

Then I see why you are mad at yourself......I too have probably 3K cards to submit, but definitely would not submit 1000 cards to a new grading company without sending them a smaller order to test the waters.

[grade]

Originally Posted by zdawgs

Then I see why you are mad at yourself......I too have probably 3K cards to submit, but definitely would not submit 1000 cards to a new grading company without sending them a smaller order to test the waters.

Yup, mad at CGC , you have to pay extra to get an actual grade(and has since changed polices, wtf) Probably should have 100's of 10 pristine and Perfect 10's.

Here are some Very low pop,Old labels and vintage 10's when they were very strict in the beginning. If you know you know,

You dont get this much 10's by submitting 50 cards.

[zdawgs]

Originally Posted by grade

Yup, mad at CGC , you have to pay extra to get an actual grade(and has since changed polices, wtf) Probably should have 100's of 10 pristine and Perfect 10's.

Here are some Very low pop,Old labels and vintage 10's when they were very strict in the beginning. If you know you know,

You dont get this much 10's by submitting 50 cards.

I only deal in sports cards and know that CSG grading is on par with the other 3 large graders.