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Jericho · 04-28-2022, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

I take it you missed the #FreeAli that was trending for the longest...

No I saw that, but it seems whenever something like that happens, the fans don't stay behind the guy for very long. Ali just missed his chance, got injured at the worst possible time when they were going to push him unfortunately.

MasterOfTheDark · 04-29-2022, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

I take it you missed the #FreeAli that was trending for the longest...

Honestly, "trending" is irrelevant. If Ali was really over, the ratings would have been up in his prior runs and there's no chance he would have been taken off tv. That didn't happen. He was never over and isn't now. Could he get over? Maybe. But it hasn't happened yet.

SteigerWRX · 04-29-2022, 03:50 PM

Bunch of releases starting... Again

Dakota Kai
Persia Pirotta
Harland
Malcolm Bivens

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cardtrader22 · 04-29-2022, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteigerWRX

Bunch of releases starting... Again

Dakota Kai
Persia Pirotta
Harland
Malcolm Bivens

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I read both Kai and Bivens turned down contract extensions earlier this year.

cdub6238 · 04-29-2022, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteigerWRX

Bunch of releases starting... Again

Dakota Kai
Persia Pirotta
Harland
Malcolm Bivens

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Add Lumis to the list as well...wasn't a good storyline but so much for the couples..

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Originally Posted by cardtrader22

I read both Kai and Bivens turned down contract extensions earlier this year.

Can't really blame either of them.

They kept releasing Bivens "talent" out from under him. Diamond Mine has no direction now

And Kai...after her feud with Raquel she went crazy and then disappeared til few months ago...won tag titles only to lose them immediately again...

Weird

nera20 · 04-29-2022, 06:53 PM

so much for harland being pushed to be the next brock lesner stevenson probably will be released soon to

Mike Chase · 04-29-2022, 06:58 PM

They want to clear people out quicker with all these NIL kids they are bringing in now.

Jericho · 04-29-2022, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nera20

so much for harland being pushed to be the next brock lesner stevenson probably will be released soon to

I think signing Gable Steveson made them realize they didnt need Harland as much maybe? And reports were the trainers weren't happy with his progress, but who knows.

I'd say Dakota Kai is the biggest loss, because she's more talented than a lot of the women on the main roster. Crazy to think that they think Carmella, Zelina, Dana, Tamina, and Xia Li deserve roster spots over Kai.

Persia is an odd release, because you could have just had her tagging with Indi again to have another womens tag team.

Lumis I figured would be in trouble, because he didnt seem to fit as well in the NXT 2.0, which sucks.

apb4 · 04-30-2022, 01:58 AM

Maybe it's just me but I've found Smackdown to be terrible lately.

Ricochet is just a boring champion. That belt has sunk to depths never seen before. It's not one step up from the 24x7 champion

I realize the womens tag division only has about four teams but what have Natalya and Bazler done to deserve a title shot? It seems all it takes is a single win and you immediately become the #1 contender. At this point they should just scrap the belts, there is not enough depth to take the division seriously.

We got Sheamus and Holland vs the New Day for the 10th straight week. Maybe they plan to stretch this thing out until next Wrestlemania.

I find the stuff with Drew Gulak to be awful continuing to have the women beat up on him. It's hard to take that stuff seriously when you know he's not going to retaliate. If I was his agent I would recommend a new career because he's got no chance of being taken seriously in the future.

The beat the clock stuff, why not bring in a couple of jobbers to compete against the women? Why bury two of your 10 or so main card wrestlers just to get this match over? A couple of jobbers would have had the same effect. I really have no interest in seeing Rousey, her shine has worn off in my eyes.

Finally, the Lacy Evans stuff is just cringeworthy to me. There at about five straight weeks of the same promo. They could have wrapped this story up into a single promo. I don't think continuing to tell the story is adding much, most are going to forget it all when she finally does wrestle again. In my opinion, if they want her to be a face, just play the Marine bit, that's at least got a chance to get over. I think this one is dead on arrival.

mwsportsart · 05-01-2022, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by apb4

Maybe it's just me but I've found Smackdown to be terrible lately.

Ricochet is just a boring champion. That belt has sunk to depths never seen before. It's not one step up from the 24x7 champion

I realize the womens tag division only has about four teams but what have Natalya and Bazler done to deserve a title shot? It seems all it takes is a single win and you immediately become the #1 contender. At this point they should just scrap the belts, there is not enough depth to take the division seriously.

We got Sheamus and Holland vs the New Day for the 10th straight week. Maybe they plan to stretch this thing out until next Wrestlemania.

I find the stuff with Drew Gulak to be awful continuing to have the women beat up on him. It's hard to take that stuff seriously when you know he's not going to retaliate. If I was his agent I would recommend a new career because he's got no chance of being taken seriously in the future.

The beat the clock stuff, why not bring in a couple of jobbers to compete against the women? Why bury two of your 10 or so main card wrestlers just to get this match over? A couple of jobbers would have had the same effect. I really have no interest in seeing Rousey, her shine has worn off in my eyes.

Finally, the Lacy Evans stuff is just cringeworthy to me. There at about five straight weeks of the same promo. They could have wrapped this story up into a single promo. I don't think continuing to tell the story is adding much, most are going to forget it all when she finally does wrestle again. In my opinion, if they want her to be a face, just play the Marine bit, that's at least got a chance to get over. I think this one is dead on arrival.

Not Ricochet's fault. Creative has been terrible.

Agreed.

Fight Night vs New Day forever! But nah, creative has been terrible.

Hard agree.

Hardest of agrees. Buried two new-ish women to the super limited main roster. So stupid, especially when they had Raquel beat a jobber earlier on the same show. Creative has been terrible.

Another agree. The roster isn't deep enough to have this stuff drag out without in-ring appearances. Veer isn't hitting for me for the same reasons. They teased him as a monster for eternity, then have commercials between his entrance and the start of his matches? If he's supposed to be a monster, it has to be a seamless, uninterrupted experience. I like most of these wrestlers and what they could be, but man...creative has been terrible.

scfa1975 · 05-02-2022, 10:53 AM

man i really liked the Lumis character. I am kind of glad i havent been watching since wrestlemania.

Jericho · 05-03-2022, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by scfa1975

man i really liked the Lumis character. I am kind of glad i havent been watching since wrestlemania.

Lumis was a good character, but after they did the marriage storyline, it seemed to be the beginning of the end.

I thought RAW went by pretty quick, which is saying something when its 3 hrs.

I know Drew/Roman is the big thing left for them to do, but I'd honestly rather see Orton/Roman.

Hoping Lashley beats Omos again at the PPV, but I could definitely see them letting Omos pick up a screw job win of some sort.

Im enjoying Theory, and hope they give him a decent feud soon. IDK if Ali is the right choice for that.

The 24/7 stuff is not good, but R-Truth is always entertaining no matter what he's doing.

The womens main event was good. And happy they didnt have Liv eat the pin again.

Jaypers · 05-03-2022, 03:49 PM

It took over 16 minutes between Becky's entrance and the start of the 6-woman match.

I am so sick of the format, already. It just drags on forever in between matches and commercials.

inchy5000 · 05-03-2022, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

It took over 16 minutes between Becky's entrance and the start of the 6-woman match.

I am so sick of the format, already. It just drags on forever in between matches and commercials.

Lol yeah and I think the entrances were bookended by commercials to boot. That said if the choice is between making folks look like real stars with individual entrances, or devoting 2-3 more minutes to absolute nonsense like the 24/7 title… yeah just give me the entrances, ha.

no10pin · 05-03-2022, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

It took over 16 minutes between Becky's entrance and the start of the 6-woman match.

I am so sick of the format, already. It just drags on forever in between matches and commercials.

It is so random, I saw one a couple of months ago that was 16 minutes too, and it was a one-on-one match. It's like they have a story board with all of the segments, and then someone knocks all of the cards on the floor right before the show.

They have Becky do her entrance, go to commercial, then they come back to A) a recap from earlier in the show and B) a five-minute R-Truth segment.

It goes beyond whether the content is good or not, the presentation is just bizarre these days.

cdub6238 · 05-05-2022, 01:58 PM

This company is quickly becoming laughable...

Between the "new recruits" in NXT being given a few months timetable to improve or get cut...

Theory is good both in the ring and the mic...but what the hell x2..Bring back Ali for this? And wtf have they done to Ciampa? Just a heel turn out of nowhere...beats up Ali 2 weeks in a row and...that's it...what...the..&*^

The 24/7 stuff is absolutely terrible outside of R truth and actually Tozawa/Tamina...and I know most didn't like her but my God what happened to Nikki...she's good in the ring, former world champ, and now getting pinned clean under 5 minutes for the 24/7 title

If they try and put Omos over Lashley..Vince has lost his everloving mind..

The Ezekiel stuff was funny the 1st few times...now it's just cringe...credit to KO and Gable though for trying

Did I say cringe? Please enter Edge...match with AJ will be good, but man his gimmick is bad..

Same with Cody/Rollins...match will be good, Rollins character work is great...but Cody's promos are just dreadful imo

Mentioned earlier about the entrances...I paused..Becky's entrance started with 32 minutes left in RAW..and sure enough..match "started" with 16 minutes left...I say started lightly, as the first minute was Becky running from Asuka and playing to the crowd

Match was pretty good though, even if you already knew the reason Sonya was there was to eat the pin. That Asuka reversal of a Sonya kick was pretty slick and impressive, as was the Asuka hip check into Liv Morgan's move on the outside.

mikecala98 · 05-05-2022, 03:51 PM

I have been re-watching the Attitude Era shows on the network. I started with Steve Austin's Raw debut and have watched every Raw, Smackdown, and PPV. I'm currently mid way thru 2000, basically at the present day 22 years ago. I see several similarities that people loved then but not now.

Hardcore Title - branded as the only title defended 24/7. Corny skits and messy matches where some big names interacted with nobodies. People now hate the 24/7 title for the same reasons.

Long promos - HHH was awesome in 99/00, and also talked a LOT

Dancing - 2 Cool and Rikishi on of the most over acts.

Kurt Angle - Enter Alpha Academy....Gable is becoming a star

Tag Division - E and C, Dudleys, Hardys....over and over.....Street Profits, RKBro, Alpha etc....

I think people forget what WWE is....enjoy the show folks.

cdub6238 · 05-05-2022, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikecala98

I have been re-watching the Attitude Era shows on the network. I started with Steve Austin's Raw debut and have watched every Raw, Smackdown, and PPV. I'm currently mid way thru 2000, basically at the present day 22 years ago. I see several similarities that people loved then but not now.

Hardcore Title - branded as the only title defended 24/7. Corny skits and messy matches where some big names interacted with nobodies. People now hate the 24/7 title for the same reasons.

Long promos - HHH was awesome in 99/00, and also talked a LOT

Dancing - 2 Cool and Rikishi on of the most over acts.

Kurt Angle - Enter Alpha Academy....Gable is becoming a star

Tag Division - E and C, Dudleys, Hardys....over and over.....Street Profits, RKBro, Alpha etc....

I think people forget what WWE is....enjoy the show folks.

I think you are painting a very broad brush here...

The Hardcore title actually had this thing called MATCHES. Yes, very gimmicky/corny at times...but actual matches..and at ppvs at that!

I don't hate the 24/7 title idea...but the execution is awful. And it's the same exact players every week.

I don't mind long promos..if they are good. Edges right now..are not. Seth's promo was great...Codys...meh..

I like Chad Gable..very talented..often misused. Not sure the comparison?

A good tag division is good. However, they had many more during that era...now? Not so much. You can only expect people to watch a rematch of a rematch of a rematch so many.times

mikecala98 · 05-05-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cdub6238

I think you are painting a very broad brush here...

The Hardcore title actually had this thing called MATCHES. Yes, very gimmicky/corny at times...but actual matches..and at ppvs at that!

I don't hate the 24/7 title idea...but the execution is awful. And it's the same exact players every week.

I don't mind long promos..if they are good. Edges right now..are not. Seth's promo was great...Codys...meh..

I like Chad Gable..very talented..often misused. Not sure the comparison?

A good tag division is good. However, they had many more during that era...now? Not so much. You can only expect people to watch a rematch of a rematch of a rematch so many.times

Who were the tag teams in 2000 WWF?

NAO - split up before Mania
DX - Road Dogg and XPac
E&C
2 Cool
APA
T&A
Dudleys
Hardys

chiefsncards275 · 05-05-2022, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mikecala98

Who were the tag teams in 2000 WWF?

NAO - split up before Mania
DX - Road Dogg and XPac
E&C
2 Cool
APA
T&A
Dudleys
Hardys

Im in the middle of rewatching old AE raws as well and am in the middle of that year right now. You also have Kaientai, right to censor, and crash and hardcore holly that I can remember from recent episodes I’ve watched.

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Seahawks fan · 05-05-2022, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsncards275

Im in the middle of rewatching old AE raws as well and am in the middle of that year right now. You also have Kaientai, right to censor, and crash and hardcore holly that I can remember from recent episodes I’ve watched.

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I think the Headbangers were still around in 2000 not that anyone cared.

chiefsncards275 · 05-05-2022, 07:38 PM

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I think the Headbangers were still around in 2000 not that anyone cared.

I believe that’s true! Now that I think of it, road warriors too as LOD 2000

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cdub6238 · 05-05-2022, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikecala98

Who were the tag teams in 2000 WWF?

NAO - split up before Mania
DX - Road Dogg and XPac
E&C
2 Cool
APA
T&A
Dudleys
Hardys

Maybe poor word choice on my part...they had more teams that they used on a frequent basis.

But the last what..year? On RAW has been RKBro, Street Profits and Alpha Academy in some fashion...including 2 triple threats in back to back weeks!

Not that I neccesarily wanna see them pushed, but the Mysterios haven't been seen since Wrestlemania, then Veer squashed Dominic. Poof, gone...

Hurt Business? Well..they haven't been used or seen in forever, until Cedric just got squashed by Lashley...

Dirty Dawgs? Nothing since Ziggler lost the NXT belt back to Breakker Raw after WM.

Admittedly I don't watch Smackdown...but Usos/New Day...done to death.

Los Lotharios...how are they being used?

Sheamus and Ridge...too busy chasing after Scrappy Doo Dunne..

They just broke up Corbin/Moss...for..reasons?

Vikings Raiders...back to NXT for you guys..

jmarascojr · 05-09-2022, 08:46 AM

Pretty sad state when there's a ppv and nobody posts about it, even their guesses of who's gonna win...

indyguy · 05-09-2022, 09:03 AM

I thought it was a good PPV overall.

Cody/Rollins delivered.

Lashley/Omos was not very good. Omos "running" across the ring looks like an adult playing "I'm gonna get you" with a toddler.

Happy/Moss - Moss looks to be a really explosive athlete. I hope he continues to improve and get pushed.

Charlotte/Ronda - Good match, cheesy mic work, but enjoyable overall

6 man - what was not to like about the in ring work on that one?

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04-30-2022, 01:58 AM	#40334
apb4 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 715	Maybe it's just me but I've found Smackdown to be terrible lately. Ricochet is just a boring champion. That belt has sunk to depths never seen before. It's not one step up from the 24x7 champion I realize the womens tag division only has about four teams but what have Natalya and Bazler done to deserve a title shot? It seems all it takes is a single win and you immediately become the #1 contender. At this point they should just scrap the belts, there is not enough depth to take the division seriously. We got Sheamus and Holland vs the New Day for the 10th straight week. Maybe they plan to stretch this thing out until next Wrestlemania. I find the stuff with Drew Gulak to be awful continuing to have the women beat up on him. It's hard to take that stuff seriously when you know he's not going to retaliate. If I was his agent I would recommend a new career because he's got no chance of being taken seriously in the future. The beat the clock stuff, why not bring in a couple of jobbers to compete against the women? Why bury two of your 10 or so main card wrestlers just to get this match over? A couple of jobbers would have had the same effect. I really have no interest in seeing Rousey, her shine has worn off in my eyes. Finally, the Lacy Evans stuff is just cringeworthy to me. There at about five straight weeks of the same promo. They could have wrapped this story up into a single promo. I don't think continuing to tell the story is adding much, most are going to forget it all when she finally does wrestle again. In my opinion, if they want her to be a face, just play the Marine bit, that's at least got a chance to get over. I think this one is dead on arrival.

05-02-2022, 10:53 AM	#40336
scfa1975 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 337	man i really liked the Lumis character. I am kind of glad i havent been watching since wrestlemania.

05-05-2022, 01:58 PM	#40341
cdub6238 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 17,797	This company is quickly becoming laughable... Between the "new recruits" in NXT being given a few months timetable to improve or get cut... Theory is good both in the ring and the mic...but what the hell x2..Bring back Ali for this? And wtf have they done to Ciampa? Just a heel turn out of nowhere...beats up Ali 2 weeks in a row and...that's it...what...the..&*^ The 24/7 stuff is absolutely terrible outside of R truth and actually Tozawa/Tamina...and I know most didn't like her but my God what happened to Nikki...she's good in the ring, former world champ, and now getting pinned clean under 5 minutes for the 24/7 title If they try and put Omos over Lashley..Vince has lost his everloving mind.. The Ezekiel stuff was funny the 1st few times...now it's just cringe...credit to KO and Gable though for trying Did I say cringe? Please enter Edge...match with AJ will be good, but man his gimmick is bad.. Same with Cody/Rollins...match will be good, Rollins character work is great...but Cody's promos are just dreadful imo Mentioned earlier about the entrances...I paused..Becky's entrance started with 32 minutes left in RAW..and sure enough..match "started" with 16 minutes left...I say started lightly, as the first minute was Becky running from Asuka and playing to the crowd Match was pretty good though, even if you already knew the reason Sonya was there was to eat the pin. That Asuka reversal of a Sonya kick was pretty slick and impressive, as was the Asuka hip check into Liv Morgan's move on the outside.

05-05-2022, 03:51 PM	#40342
mikecala98 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: LI Posts: 14,000 calacollects	I have been re-watching the Attitude Era shows on the network. I started with Steve Austin's Raw debut and have watched every Raw, Smackdown, and PPV. I'm currently mid way thru 2000, basically at the present day 22 years ago. I see several similarities that people loved then but not now. Hardcore Title - branded as the only title defended 24/7. Corny skits and messy matches where some big names interacted with nobodies. People now hate the 24/7 title for the same reasons. Long promos - HHH was awesome in 99/00, and also talked a LOT Dancing - 2 Cool and Rikishi on of the most over acts. Kurt Angle - Enter Alpha Academy....Gable is becoming a star Tag Division - E and C, Dudleys, Hardys....over and over.....Street Profits, RKBro, Alpha etc.... I think people forget what WWE is....enjoy the show folks.

05-09-2022, 09:03 AM	#40350
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	I thought it was a good PPV overall. Cody/Rollins delivered. Lashley/Omos was not very good. Omos "running" across the ring looks like an adult playing "I'm gonna get you" with a toddler. Happy/Moss - Moss looks to be a really explosive athlete. I hope he continues to improve and get pushed. Charlotte/Ronda - Good match, cheesy mic work, but enjoyable overall 6 man - what was not to like about the in ring work on that one?