Patrick Mahomes Prices - Page 1090

whitmm · 03-23-2022, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

I think that's the point.

Anybody in the league can get more targets per game if that's the game plan.

He was still a very valuable player this year, but his effectiveness has been waning along with his top end speed.

JuJu will catch 100 balls this year if the Chiefs just want to dink and dunk with him (provided he is healthy). He might end up with 900 off of those, so I don't think that's how they want to deploy him. What's happened with Tyreek is that defenses have adjusted to partially take away what he wants to do, so they resorted to settling for more underneath stuff, which he is still good at, but doesn't have the same impact on the game.

I get it. His yards after reception was down as well. He might not have lost a step necessarily, but defenses are getting faster as well. But he also led the team in first downs, so it seems like they sacrificed some of the lower percentage routes for higher percentage, get the first instead of going for the big play, routes.

I took the onepocketj's comment to be talking about two different things, as it say they minimized his use AND the deep ball.

MyckKabongo · 03-23-2022, 03:43 PM

* Worth keeping in mind that while the Chiefs have loaded up on draft capital, Denver and Oakland will be facing a deficit that will bite them in the next few years.

* Veach has a good track record at this point of round 2 and after gems. They can cash in on these picks. The problem is they need stud rookie contract guys at premium positions and those are harder to hit on mid-draft. I expect a trade up for a DE prospect they really like.

* Random aside, but does anybody else remember the lengthy exchange I had in this thread a few weeks about Mahomes' contract? ::Ahem:: About those contracts that just got handed out to Stafford, Rodgers and Watson--this is exactly what I was saying. You're going to see a large number of $40M+ AAV QB contracts handed out in the next few years. Mahomes is already sliding down the Sportrac top cap hit charts for future years. He is going to be a relative bargain in the back half of that contract. Also, for those not following the news there is a huge bidding war underway between Amazon and Apple for Sunday Ticket. The cap is definitely going way up in future years.

alphaomegas · 03-23-2022, 03:49 PM

GUYS SELL sell now if you can unless the shillers will stop the selll. Its over mchomies

mc1 · 03-23-2022, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alphaomegas

GUYS SELL sell now if you can unless the shillers will stop the selll. Its over mchomies

imbluestreak23 · 03-23-2022, 03:58 PM

This is interesting. I'll just leave this here. Oh, and Kyler/Burrow/Herbert will need to be paid in 2022, 2023 or 2024 pending options.

Cap Hit by QB by Year

2022:
1) Tannehill - $38.6M
2) Mahomes - $35.7M
3) Cousins - $31.4M
4) Goff - $31.1M
5) Roders - $28.5M

2023:
1) Watson - $54.9M
2) Dak - $49.1M
3) Mahomes - $46.7M
4) Allen - $39.7M
5) Tannehill - $36.6M
6) Cousins - $36.2M
7) Rodgers - $31.6M

2023:
1) Watson - $54.9M
2) Dak - $52.1M
3) Stafford - $49.5M
4) Mahomes - $44.2M
5) Allen - $41.7M
6) Rodgers - $40.7M

2024:
1) Rodgers - $59.3M
2) Watson - $54.9M
3) Allen - $51.2M
4) Stafford - $50.5M
5) Mahomes - $46.2M

2025: Only 5 top QBs with contracts
1) Watson - $54.9M
2) Rodgers - $53.4M
3) Stafford - $49.5M
4) Allen - $46.9M
5) Mahomes - $41.9M

whitmm · 03-23-2022, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

This is interesting. I'll just leave this here. Oh, and Kyler/Burrow/Herbert will need to be paid in 2022, 2023 or 2024 pending options.

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So you structure their deals similar to Mahomes, and start pushing money back, keeping the number lower. They'll be on the front end of big contract where Mahomes will be on the backend where they start running out of room to push the cap hit back. Extensions for Burrow and Herbert wouldn't start until 2025.

alphaomegas · 03-23-2022, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

This is interesting. I'll just leave this here. Oh, and Kyler/Burrow/Herbert will need to be paid in 2022, 2023 or 2024 pending options.

Cap Hit by QB by Year

2022:
1) Tannehill - $38.6M
2) Mahomes - $35.7M
3) Cousins - $31.4M
4) Goff - $31.1M
5) Roders - $28.5M

2023:
1) Watson - $54.9M
2) Dak - $49.1M
3) Mahomes - $46.7M
4) Allen - $39.7M
5) Tannehill - $36.6M
6) Cousins - $36.2M
7) Rodgers - $31.6M

2023:
1) Watson - $54.9M
2) Dak - $52.1M
3) Stafford - $49.5M
4) Mahomes - $44.2M
5) Allen - $41.7M
6) Rodgers - $40.7M

2024:
1) Rodgers - $59.3M
2) Watson - $54.9M
3) Allen - $51.2M
4) Stafford - $50.5M
5) Mahomes - $46.2M

2025: Only 5 top QBs with contracts
1) Watson - $54.9M
2) Rodgers - $53.4M
3) Stafford - $49.5M
4) Allen - $46.9M
5) Mahomes - $41.9M

LMFAO get ready football tickets and cable prices are going to increase. How rich does one need to be?

Something got to give cause what in 10-20 years it be 100million a year qb contract lmfao

imbluestreak23 · 03-23-2022, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

So you structure their deals similar to Mahomes, and start pushing money back, keeping the number lower. They'll be on the front end of big contract where Mahomes will be on the backend where they start running out of room to push the cap hit back. Extensions for Burrow and Herbert wouldn't start until 2025.

I mean, I'm being told KC's future is ruined because a half of billion dollars is going to one guy. Seems like half a billion dollar man has company, and he's going to be getting more equally rich colleagues soon. All equals point moot.

Suppose Bengals and Chargers can enjoy 2-3 more years of cheap QB labor.

JeremyNick · 03-23-2022, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I mean, I'm being told KC's future is ruined because a half of billion dollars is going to one guy. Seems like half a billion dollar man has company, and he's going to be getting more equally rich colleagues soon. All equals point moot.

Suppose Bengals and Chargers can enjoy 2-3 more years of cheap QB labor.

This news really has you spinning.

whitmm · 03-23-2022, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I mean, I'm being told KC's future is ruined because a half of billion dollars is going to one guy. Seems like half a billion dollar man has company, and he's going to be getting more equally rich colleagues soon. All equals point moot.

Suppose Bengals and Chargers can enjoy 2-3 more years of cheap QB labor.

Yeah, that's been the trend. The highest cap hit for a SB winning QB in the last 20ish years is 12.61%, Brady in 2020. Average QB salary for winning teams, 16th. Average for the losing QB, 17th. Only 3 times during that span has a QB accounted for more than 14% of the cap. These young SB winning QBs were all on their rookie deals.

imbluestreak23 · 03-23-2022, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

This news really has you spinning.

You're an odd fella

tconte · 03-23-2022, 04:54 PM

Bad move by KC. Great wide receivers don't grow on trees. Just ask Philly.
This will be a big short term loss for Mahomes. Anyone saying the team is better now
is crazy.

tjforce · 03-23-2022, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tconte

Bad move by KC. Great wide receivers don't grow on trees. Just ask Philly.
This will be a big short term loss for Mahomes. Anyone saying the team is better now
is crazy.

They aren't, but it doesn't mean it's a bad move.

Giving him a contract paying $30MM per year until age 32 is a bad move, IMO.

Getting that money back as cap space and getting 5 draft picks along side it isn't the worst move ever made.

Hellcat · 03-23-2022, 05:08 PM

It’s a sad day for Mahomes investors. I’m one of them so I’m not happy.

bberns · 03-23-2022, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Everyone is talking about getting another WR, but if I'm the Chiefs, I consider using this draft haul to build a lasting defense.

Brady didn't win 7 titles because he always had the best weapons. He won because he had a top defense and offensive line.

Exactly. This is a Bill B. trade. This trade hurts the stats, but helps the win column (long term).

I'm not buying Mahomes, but would be more likely to buy Mahomes today than yesterday.

Rabs · 03-23-2022, 05:19 PM

Maybe the Chiefs will learn to have a run game and this will alleviate the loss of Hill?

rawkstar2k · 03-23-2022, 05:41 PM

So the chiefs passed on the #10 pick (from the Jets)? I know they still got a first, but it's basically like a low second rounder. I think the Dolphins definitely won the trade. The Chiefs now have a huge hole at WR that they are unlikely to fill through the draft (at least even remotely near the level of Tyreek).

The Chiefs should go after DK hard, even if it takes two firsts and a second. He's only 24 and there is no doubt to his ability to succeed in the NFL compared to the draft.

At the end of the day, if a guy wants out, not much you can do these days, gotta let them move on.

rawkstar2k · 03-23-2022, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabs

Maybe the Chiefs will learn to have a run game and this will alleviate the loss of Hill?

The thing is Tyreek is truly one of a kind in what he can do. You rarely see someone with his speed/agility/skill set that has the ability to stretch the field and affect a defense (I can't think of any other WR that affects how the defense reacts like Tyreek did). At this point, transitioning the offense to a run heavy offense isn't what Reid does, but who knows. Even if they did, teams don't have to worry about Tyreek anymore and can play closer to the line. Kelce is still good, but he's a year older and will be 33 this year.

Onepocketj · 03-23-2022, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

They aren't, but it doesn't mean it's a bad move.

Giving him a contract paying $30MM per year until age 32 is a bad move, IMO.

Getting that money back as cap space and getting 5 draft picks along side it isn't the worst move ever made.

Might be another Chase in the draft with one of those picks. Never know

melo315 · 03-23-2022, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Might be another Chase in the draft with one of those picks. Never know

Yeah there might be another Jonathan Baldwin too. The queefs track record at drafting wr’s hasn’t been great over the last decade plus.

tjforce · 03-23-2022, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by melo315

Yeah there might be another Jonathan Baldwin too. The queefs track record at drafting wr’s hasn’t been great over the last decade plus.

Funny thing to say during a conversation regarding Tyreek Hill.

Hellcat · 03-23-2022, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bberns

Exactly. This is a Bill B. trade. This trade hurts the stats, but helps the win column (long term).

I'm not buying Mahomes, but would be more likely to buy Mahomes today than yesterday.

How were the Patriots able to add these necessary players?! Oh yeah Brady was always taking way under market value. Unfortunately Patty didn’t learn from the GOATs blueprint. They lost Hill because of Patty’s half a billion dollar contract so Hill was like you break the bank I will to!

Onepocketj · 03-23-2022, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

How were the Patriots able to add these necessary players?! Oh yeah Brady was always taking way under market value. Unfortunately Patty didn’t learn from the GOATs blueprint. They lost Hill because of Patty’s half a billion dollar contract so Hill was like you break the bank I will to!

How dare Patty not have the highest paid supermodel in the world for a wife!
This narrative is so stupid.

tjforce · 03-23-2022, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabs

Maybe the Chiefs will learn to have a run game and this will alleviate the loss of Hill?

This is what I think they do. They already have the linemen in place. It's about execution and game plan now.

Everyone seems to be focused on the WR position now, but I won't be shocked if they use the draft capital to load up on DBs, Dlinemen, and maybe even ways to enhance a running game.

melo315 · 03-23-2022, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Funny thing to say during a conversation regarding Tyreek Hill.

Just saying it hasn’t been great overall

2021 - Cornell Powell (Round 5)

2019 - Mecole Hardman (Round 2)

2018 - Tremon Smith (Round 6)

2017 - Jehu Chesson (Round 4)

2016 - Demarcus Robinson (Round 4), Tyreek Hill (Round 5)

2015 - Chris Conley (Round 3), Da’Ron Brown (Round 7)

2012 - Devon Wylie (Round 4), Junior Hemingway (Round 7)

2011 - Jonathan Baldwin (Round 1)

2010 - Dexter McCluster (Round 2)

03-23-2022, 03:58 PM	#27230
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,710 shortslabs	This is interesting. I'll just leave this here. Oh, and Kyler/Burrow/Herbert will need to be paid in 2022, 2023 or 2024 pending options. Cap Hit by QB by Year 2022: 1) Tannehill - $38.6M 2) Mahomes - $35.7M 3) Cousins - $31.4M 4) Goff - $31.1M 5) Roders - $28.5M 2023: 1) Watson - $54.9M 2) Dak - $49.1M 3) Mahomes - $46.7M 4) Allen - $39.7M 5) Tannehill - $36.6M 6) Cousins - $36.2M 7) Rodgers - $31.6M 2023: 1) Watson - $54.9M 2) Dak - $52.1M 3) Stafford - $49.5M 4) Mahomes - $44.2M 5) Allen - $41.7M 6) Rodgers - $40.7M 2024: 1) Rodgers - $59.3M 2) Watson - $54.9M 3) Allen - $51.2M 4) Stafford - $50.5M 5) Mahomes - $46.2M 2025: Only 5 top QBs with contracts 1) Watson - $54.9M 2) Rodgers - $53.4M 3) Stafford - $49.5M 4) Allen - $46.9M 5) Mahomes - $41.9M __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

03-23-2022, 04:54 PM	#27237
tconte Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Marlton, NJ - Less Than an Hour from the Millville Meteor! Posts: 2,034 aconte	Bad move by KC. Great wide receivers don't grow on trees. Just ask Philly. This will be a big short term loss for Mahomes. Anyone saying the team is better now is crazy. __________________ Numbered cards......this is no longer the way. If you invest in cards, don't forget Cecil Cooper!

03-23-2022, 05:19 PM	#27241
Rabs Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 15,997 Rabs	Maybe the Chiefs will learn to have a run game and this will alleviate the loss of Hill? __________________ Sean Taylor/Craig Kimbrel/Brian Orakpo Collector! https://sportscardalbum.com/u/rabs

03-23-2022, 05:41 PM	#27242
rawkstar2k Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: California Posts: 987	So the chiefs passed on the #10 pick (from the Jets)? I know they still got a first, but it's basically like a low second rounder. I think the Dolphins definitely won the trade. The Chiefs now have a huge hole at WR that they are unlikely to fill through the draft (at least even remotely near the level of Tyreek). The Chiefs should go after DK hard, even if it takes two firsts and a second. He's only 24 and there is no doubt to his ability to succeed in the NFL compared to the draft. At the end of the day, if a guy wants out, not much you can do these days, gotta let them move on. __________________ Looking to buy high end Julio Jones

03-23-2022, 03:43 PM	#27227
MyckKabongo Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,776 MyckKabongo	* Worth keeping in mind that while the Chiefs have loaded up on draft capital, Denver and Oakland will be facing a deficit that will bite them in the next few years. * Veach has a good track record at this point of round 2 and after gems. They can cash in on these picks. The problem is they need stud rookie contract guys at premium positions and those are harder to hit on mid-draft. I expect a trade up for a DE prospect they really like. * Random aside, but does anybody else remember the lengthy exchange I had in this thread a few weeks about Mahomes' contract? ::Ahem:: About those contracts that just got handed out to Stafford, Rodgers and Watson--this is exactly what I was saying. You're going to see a large number of $40M+ AAV QB contracts handed out in the next few years. Mahomes is already sliding down the Sportrac top cap hit charts for future years. He is going to be a relative bargain in the back half of that contract. Also, for those not following the news there is a huge bidding war underway between Amazon and Apple for Sunday Ticket. The cap is definitely going way up in future years.

03-23-2022, 03:49 PM	#27228
alphaomegas Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,025	GUYS SELL sell now if you can unless the shillers will stop the selll. Its over mchomies

03-23-2022, 05:08 PM	#27239
Hellcat Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 2,343	It’s a sad day for Mahomes investors. I’m one of them so I’m not happy.