The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition

[mfw13]

Good god was that a brutal ending for the Warriors.....missed free throw by Wiggins, followed by an unnecessary loose-ball foul by Looney on the offensive glass putting Poetl on the line. And then when Poetl let's the Warriors off the hook by missing the second free throw, they give up a game-winning offensive rebound & putback.

[mfw13]

The NBA has to do something about in-game reviews for flagrant fouls....they take waaaaaay too long and really disrupt the rhythm of the game.

There were two review in the last half minute of the Philly-Toronto game, and both took forever.

Change the penalty for flagrant fouls to a one-game suspension and have them reviewed AFTER the game by the league office....

[rippev]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The NBA has to do something about in-game reviews for flagrant fouls....they take waaaaaay too long and really disrupt the rhythm of the game.

There were two review in the last half minute of the Philly-Toronto game, and both took forever.

Change the penalty for flagrant fouls to a one-game suspension and have them reviewed AFTER the game by the league office....

Guys will be trying to get rest days this way lol. Imagine if you were going to a game but a star player got a flagrant the game before; and now you don’t get to see him.
They need to fix it, but not that way.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by oshmeehan

Lopez has low rebound numbers, but that's because he is excellent at boxing out and conceding the rebounds to his teammates (i.e. ballhandlers).

But who was 2011-2018 stats?

The Lopez brothers are unorthodox disruptors. They're so odd and uncoordinated that it's hard to keep them in line. Rolo's always been more of the physical banger. Brolo's finesse. Neither are exceptional rebounders, but do just enough to make an impact on the floor.

[ninjacookies]

Really thought GS was going to make the fight for #1 at least somewhat interesting once Book and CP3 went down.

Nope. Cushion remains the same, and old man river should return in 2-3 weeks.


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[thenightman]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

But who was 2011-2018 stats?

The Lopez brothers are unorthodox disruptors. They're so odd and uncoordinated that it's hard to keep them in line. Rolo's always been more of the physical banger. Brolo's finesse. Neither are exceptional rebounders, but do just enough to make an impact on the floor.

Two guys, that big, being unremarkable rebounders means only one thing, and one thing only.

[imbluestreak23]

We need Zion and KANG for the play in. Come on Adam Apple

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Two guys, that big, being unremarkable rebounders means only one thing, and one thing only.

That Sam Perkins 2k build hit different.

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

We need Zion and KANG for the play in. Come on Adam Apple

Yes pls. Street Clothes would be kewl if he's even available/alive.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The the Rockets' credit, they almost kept it within 20.

Another solid night from Jalen Green. Some ppl like look past that 8 pts on 13 shots, but they're ignoring the 3 rebounds and 1 assist.

This is another bad take on a team/player you don't watch that you're commenting on the one or two times you either watched him play or looked at the box score

This kid has improved IMMENSELY in the second half of the season and Memphis, minus Ja is potentially the absolute worst matchup for a player like him

Offensively this kid has been nearly as good as your mancrush Mobley on a dumpster fire of a team in the last 2 months or so

He would have started out the season the way he's played of late, he would be in the conversation with Cade, Mobley & Barnes for ROY

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

That Sam Perkins 2k build hit different.

Well, I should say, no rule is absolute.

[k13]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

That's because he doesn't get to play Orlando every day and he'll also mix one 30 point game with two 4/17 shooting nights - he's very inconsistent.

That's because the overall market sucks especially basketball.
50 points don't mean anything anyway since they happen so often now.

We went from scrimmage games moving the needle to 50 point playoff games not moving the needle.

[GOATcards]

Re: Anyone else falling a sleep watching the new 76ers?
Post#67 » by bisme37 » Yesterday 5:07 pm

The cool thing is if you start nodding off from all the free throws Kate Scott will immediately shriek you back awake from the announcer's booth.

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[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

This is another bad take on a team/player you don't watch that you're commenting on the one or two times you either watched him play or looked at the box score

This kid has improved IMMENSELY in the second half of the season and Memphis, minus Ja is potentially the absolute worst matchup for a player like him

Offensively this kid has been nearly as good as your mancrush Mobley on a dumpster fire of a team in the last 2 months or so

He would have started out the season the way he's played of late, he would be in the conversation with Cade, Mobley & Barnes for ROY

And if Ben Simmons could have shot like Steph Curry the last 3 years he'd have been the best player on the planet.

But I thought I'd take your shot constructively... so let's take a look at the last 2 months:

Green: 18.3 PPG, 0.6 ORebs, 3.3 assts, 47% shooting, and 14.4 shots/game
Mobley: 16.1 PPG, 2.0 ORebs, 2.6 assts, 51% shooting, and 12.9 shots/game

Hey, that's pretty close. Green gets you and extra 1.2 ppg on 1.5 more shots. An extra 0.7 assists and 1.4 less rebounds. Not that far away.

But gee, if only there was another half of the game that Mobley exceled at that Green is absolute liability at? Hmmm... any ideas?

Since it's hard to find any hard stats on this, let's just gloss over a few defensive metrics:

-DPS: Mobley ranks 16th in the NBA.... Green ranks 3rd WORST in the whole NBA.

-Defensive Win Shares: Mobley: 3.6 (5th in NBA), Green: 0 (521ist in NBA!)

-D Box Plus Minus: Mobley: 1.6 (20th in NBA), Green: -2.4. (180th in NBA)

So my cherry picking one bad game (which I only did because of the comment of Houston acting cocky in a 20 pt loss) is just as valid as your cherry picking Green's offensive only stats over the past 2 months. Just please don't make be break out Scottie Barnes and Cade Cunningham stats as well to show the difference between the top 3 rookies and Green this season.


But sure to write this one on your bedroom dry erase board kid.

Anyways, I'm not saying he hasn't improved,

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

And if Ben Simmons could have shot like Steph Curry the last 3 years he'd have been the best player on the planet.

But I thought I'd take your shot constructively... so let's take a look at the last 2 months:

Green: 18.3 PPG, 0.6 ORebs, 3.3 assts, 47% shooting, and 14.4 shots/game
Mobley: 16.1 PPG, 2.0 ORebs, 2.6 assts, 51% shooting, and 12.9 shots/game

Hey, that's pretty close. Green gets you and extra 1.2 ppg on 1.5 more shots. An extra 0.7 assists and 1.4 less rebounds. Not that far away.

But gee, if only there was another half of the game that Mobley exceled at that Green is absolute liability at? Hmmm... any ideas?

Since it's hard to find any hard stats on this, let's just gloss over a few defensive metrics:

-DPS: Mobley ranks 16th in the NBA.... Green ranks 3rd WORST in the whole NBA.

-Defensive Win Shares: Mobley: 3.6 (5th in NBA), Green: 0 (521ist in NBA!)

-D Box Plus Minus: Mobley: 1.6 (20th in NBA), Green: -2.4. (180th in NBA)

So my cherry picking one bad game (which I only did because of the comment of Houston acting cocky in a 20 pt loss) is just as valid as your cherry picking Green's offensive only stats over the past 2 months. Just please don't make be break out Scottie Barnes and Cade Cunningham stats as well to show the difference between the top 3 rookies and Green this season.


But sure to write this one on your bedroom dry erase board kid.

Anyways, I'm not saying he hasn't improved,

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by tjforce

And if Ben Simmons could have shot like Steph Curry the last 3 years he'd have been the best player on the planet.

But I thought I'd take your shot constructively... so let's take a look at the last 2 months:

Green: 18.3 PPG, 0.6 ORebs, 3.3 assts, 47% shooting, and 14.4 shots/game
Mobley: 16.1 PPG, 2.0 ORebs, 2.6 assts, 51% shooting, and 12.9 shots/game

Hey, that's pretty close. Green gets you and extra 1.2 ppg on 1.5 more shots. An extra 0.7 assists and 1.4 less rebounds. Not that far away.

But gee, if only there was another half of the game that Mobley exceled at that Green is absolute liability at? Hmmm... any ideas?

Since it's hard to find any hard stats on this, let's just gloss over a few defensive metrics:

-DPS: Mobley ranks 16th in the NBA.... Green ranks 3rd WORST in the whole NBA.

-Defensive Win Shares: Mobley: 3.6 (5th in NBA), Green: 0 (521ist in NBA!)

-D Box Plus Minus: Mobley: 1.6 (20th in NBA), Green: -2.4. (180th in NBA)

So my cherry picking one bad game (which I only did because of the comment of Houston acting cocky in a 20 pt loss) is just as valid as your cherry picking Green's offensive only stats over the past 2 months. Just please don't make be break out Scottie Barnes and Cade Cunningham stats as well to show the difference between the top 3 rookies and Green this season.


But sure to write this one on your bedroom dry erase board kid.

Anyways, I'm not saying he hasn't improved,

That's a lot of words without being able to refute any of my 3 takes:

-He has improved immensely; He has, this isn't even debatable

-OFFENSIVELY he has been nearly as good as Mobley: your stat breakdown (which I didn't even look up before making that claim) literally proves this

-Had he started out the season the way he's playing now he would be in ROY convos. If you really think someone putting up equal numbers to the rest of the top dogs wouldn't be in the conversation due to their defensive metrics, you are WAY too in your own head on advanced metrics/analytics.

That would be the whole argument from the nerds on why he shouldn't win the award when people debated who should win, because he was trailing the other guys defensively, blah blah blah. But his name would for sure be up there with them

Also, not stating he hasn't been terrible defensively, but without looking up the defensive metrics, I do know for sure that Cleveland is WORLDS better defensively with/without Mobley compared to Houston with/without Green, so again I'm sure his team isn't helping his case at all in that regard.

If you want to be happy that you guys got the more fundamental, better player that you and the rest of the "true basketball" purists can gush over you do you

If I were a Houston fan/collector I'd be happy that we got the player with the higher ceiling (and lower floor) who is starting to show there may be a path to stardom/collectibility that Mobley almost assuredly can't reach.

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by rippev

Guys will be trying to get rest days this way lol. Imagine if you were going to a game but a star player got a flagrant the game before; and now you don’t get to see him.
They need to fix it, but not that way.

Same thing as "rest".

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

That's a lot of words without being able to refute any of my 3 takes:

-He has improved immensely; He has, this isn't even debatable

-OFFENSIVELY he has been nearly as good as Mobley: your stat breakdown (which I didn't even look up before making that claim) literally proves this

-Had he started out the season the way he's playing now he would be in ROY convos. If you really think someone putting up equal numbers to the rest of the top dogs wouldn't be in the conversation due to their defensive metrics, you are WAY too in your own head on advanced metrics/analytics.

That would be the whole argument from the nerds on why he shouldn't win the award when people debated who should win, because he was trailing the other guys defensively, blah blah blah. But his name would for sure be up there with them

Also, not stating he hasn't been terrible defensively, but without looking up the defensive metrics, I do know for sure that Cleveland is WORLDS better defensively with/without Mobley compared to Houston with/without Green, so again I'm sure his team isn't helping his case at all in that regard.

If you want to be happy that you guys got the more fundamental, better player that you and the rest of the "true basketball" purists can gush over you do you

If I were a Houston fan/collector I'd be happy that we got the player with the higher ceiling (and lower floor) who is starting to show there may be a path to stardom/collectibility that Mobley almost assuredly can't reach.

You can't compare the 2 players offensively because they aren't even remotely similar. Your "nearly as good" is just a method of fence sitting so you can come back and say "well look here I said nearly". If you consider his role and his usage, NO Jalen Green has not been nearly as good as Mobley, even offensively, and even if you cherry pick a month and a half of games

That aside, for sake of argument lets do a breakdown outside of the boring counting stats.

First thing I want to look at is offensive on/off impact.

The Rockets are 8 points worse with Jalen ON for a 103.8 ORTG
The Cavs are 3 points worse with Evan ON for a 110.1 ORTG

Even if we cherry pick the best stretch of the season from Feb1-Today Jalens ORTG is 111.1 a whopping 1pt better than Mobleys entire season...

but lets make this even more fun, lets compare against the same period for Mobley, he comes in at 113.3

Now wait... drumroll..... Here's the best part. This comparison pretty much speaks for itself.

[jcardstore]

Also no, even if he played this way the whole season (18/3/3) on decent efficiency, he still wouldn't be in the race, just like Cade isn't in the race because he's not leading his team to wins like the other 2.

Good player good team > good player bad team.

ROY is clearly a 2 player race and there's really not much Cade can do to be in that discussion outside of an otherworldly last 10 games or so.

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

You can't compare the 2 players offensively because they aren't even remotely similar. Your "nearly as good" is just a method of fence sitting so you can come back and say "well look here I said nearly". If you consider his role and his usage, NO Jalen Green has not been nearly as good as Mobley, even offensively, and even if you cherry pick a month and a half of games

That aside, for sake of argument lets do a breakdown outside of the boring counting stats.

First thing I want to look at is offensive on/off impact.

The Rockets are 8 points worse with Jalen ON for a 103.8 ORTG
The Cavs are 3 points worse with Evan ON for a 110.1 ORTG

Even if we cherry pick the best stretch of the season from Feb1-Today Jalens ORTG is 111.1 a whopping 1pt better than Mobleys entire season...

but lets make this even more fun, lets compare against the same period for Mobley, he comes in at 113.3

Now wait... drumroll..... Here's the best part. This comparison pretty much speaks for itself.

Ah yes, the ol' player impact per 100 possession impact on team where the impacts are:
Lebron
O Lebron
D Lebron
Offensive Raptor
Defensive Raptor
LA-ORAPM
DA-ORAPM
Luck adjusted RAPM
Offensive BPM
Defensive BPM
BPM 2.0 Wins added
Etc

How could I have forgotten to consult this time trusted, essential chart that every sportscaster and broadcaster who votes for ROY is definitely spending massive time consulting

I feel silly now. Probably every NBA fan nationwide has one of these hanging in their homes so there wouldn't even be any talk of Jalen Green had he put up the #'s he has the last 2 months all season, because everyone would be consulting these universally excepted stats that everyone is incredibly familiar with and I hear people talking about all of the time

Thanks for clearing that up!

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Also no, even if he played this way the whole season (18/3/3) on decent efficiency, he still wouldn't be in the race, just like Cade isn't in the race because he's not leading his team to wins like the other 2.

Good player good team > good player bad team.

ROY is clearly a 2 player race and there's really not much Cade can do to be in that discussion outside of an otherworldly last 10 games or so.

Also, just for the giggles I checked 2 different sports books just now (seeing as I took Cade 2 months ago at +2000) and one has Barnes at +500, Cade at +600, the other has Cade at +550 and Barnes at +700, so Vegas would disagree that it's a 2 horse race atm

Probably need to consult their charts

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

Ah yes, the ol' player impact per 100 possession impact on team where the impacts are:
Lebron
O Lebron
D Lebron
Offensive Raptor
Defensive Raptor
LA-ORAPM
DA-ORAPM
Luck adjusted RAPM
Offensive BPM
Defensive BPM
BPM 2.0 Wins added
Etc

How could I have forgotten to consult this time trusted, essential chart that every sportscaster and broadcaster who votes for ROY is definitely spending massive time consulting

I feel silly now. Probably every NBA fan nationwide has one of these hanging in their homes so there wouldn't even be any talk of Jalen Green had he put up the #'s he has the last 2 months all season, because everyone would be consulting these universally excepted stats that everyone is incredibly familiar with and I hear people talking about all of the time

Thanks for clearing that up!

All those words when you could have just admitted you were wrong

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

Also, just for the giggles I checked 2 different sports books just now (seeing as I took Cade 2 months ago at +2000) and one has Barnes at +500, Cade at +600, the other has Cade at +550 and Barnes at +700, so Vegas would disagree that it's a 2 horse race atm

Probably need to consult their charts

Fine, it's a done deal. Mobley ROY

[Grizzkid12]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

All those words when you could have just admitted you were wrong

Have you and TJ met to give each other the old reach around in person or is that just a BO thing?

[Dmoee]

How about Tatum getting MVP chants in Denver last night!!!

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

Have you and TJ met to give each other the old reach around in person or is that just a BO thing?

No, in this case there's just an overlap in each of us having the ability to form a a valid argument. I think we both know what Mobley is and what Mobley isn't.

I don't harbor any ill will personally towards you. So I would ask that you keep the discussion on sports and not make it personal as well.

My track record speaks for itself regarding my ability to analyze trends and performances in Sports and Sports Cards. Instead of personal insults, I'd suggest you keep an open mind to my viewpoints in an attempt to gain insight into another viewpoint, just like I do with about 90% of the board members here when they have a conflicting view (yourself included, typically).