First Buzz: 2021 Topps Chrome Formula 1 racing cards

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Someone explain this to me. I may have asked in a different thread but can't find it.

Why is this being collected/bought/sold? NASCAR during peak Earnhardt days didn't pull this type of attention. Is it truly yield chasing for anything? Netflix or whatever streaming show creating a frenzy?

F1/Indy are the true race cars in most of the world. I think people here are just getting that now. Take Le Mans with Steve McQueen. Not a good movie but the cars are cool. Nascar can't match that kind of heroic image.

[BRob1]

don’t forget too that there have been next to no cards of this produced compared to other sports. basically 1.5 years of topps for the mainstream. the money in the hobby is spread over infinitely fewer cards/sets than any other sport.


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[dream34]

Nascar Car:


F1 Car:


Not quite sure on the specifics, but I think this means that almost ALL the cars in the Daytona 500 will cost the same as a single F1 Car

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by dream34

Nascar Car:


F1 Car:


Not quite sure on the specifics, but I think this means that almost ALL the cars in the Daytona 500 will cost the same as a single F1 Car

@$325,000 per x 40 cars = $13M Yeah. The entire field of the Daytona 500 costs less than 1 Formula 1 car.

[jbettis32]

Just relax and tried to figure out the print run, I do only have Lite packs in hand, and so I only count on the print run for lite box. Please see if someone can input the odds for hobby then

Since Raywave is in lite only (16 packs box, not 18 packs in hobby), will use the odd for calculation:

Black Raywave: 1:2829 in 175 cards ~ 495075 packs ~ 30942 boxes ~ 1933 cases
Red Raywave 1:567 in 175 cards(#5) ~ 496125 packs ~ 31007 boxes ~ 1937 cases
Green Raywave 1:29 in 175 cards (#99) ~ 502425 packs ~ 31401 boxes ~ 1962 cases

Pretty close, and let's make it 2000 cases in assumption. 2000 cases * 16 boxes * 16 packs ~ 512000 packs

Gold Wave (#50) in Lite packs is 1:192 packs, Orange Wave (#25) is 1:382

512000 packs/192 ~ 2667 Gold wave/175 cards ~ 15.2
~ 15 Gold Waves in Lite, it leaves 35 Gold waves in Hobby

512000 packs/382 ~ 1340 Orange Wave/175 cards ~ 7.6
~ 8 Orange Wave in Lite, leaves 17 Orange Waves in Hobby

Let's see if someone can do the hobby part, and know the rough print run for 21 F1.

[bsnsports0605]

Originally Posted by BRob1

don’t forget too that there have been next to no cards of this produced compared to other sports. basically 1.5 years of topps for the mainstream. the money in the hobby is spread over infinitely fewer cards/sets than any other sport.


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I think the fact that some people missed the boat on last years cards is driving up the price for this years. Last years prices are out of reach for the average collector, while these are still somewhat affordable

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by jbettis32

Just relax and tried to figure out the print run, I do only have Lite packs in hand, and so I only count on the print run for lite box. Please see if someone can input the odds for hobby then

Since Raywave is in lite only (16 packs box, not 18 packs in hobby), will use the odd for calculation:

Black Raywave: 1:2829 in 175 cards ~ 495075 packs ~ 30942 boxes ~ 1933 cases
Red Raywave 1:567 in 175 cards(#5) ~ 496125 packs ~ 31007 boxes ~ 1937 cases
Green Raywave 1:29 in 175 cards (#99) ~ 502425 packs ~ 31401 boxes ~ 1962 cases

Pretty close, and let's make it 2000 cases in assumption. 2000 cases * 16 boxes * 16 packs ~ 512000 packs

Gold Wave (#50) in Lite packs is 1:192 packs, Orange Wave (#25) is 1:382

512000 packs/192 ~ 2667 Gold wave/175 cards ~ 15.2
~ 15 Gold Waves in Lite, it leaves 35 Gold waves in Hobby

512000 packs/382 ~ 1340 Orange Wave/175 cards ~ 7.6
~ 8 Orange Wave in Lite, leaves 17 Orange Waves in Hobby

Let's see if someone can do the hobby part, and know the rough print run for 21 F1.

Hobby

[rorymcilroy3]

Has anyone had a good experience sending in damaged 2020 f1 cards to Topps?

I have a Hamilton #1 refractor that’s got a chip at the top and I obviously want it to get replaced but if they don’t have a replacement of the same card am I going to get screwed?

[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by rorymcilroy3

Has anyone had a good experience sending in damaged 2020 f1 cards to Topps?

I have a Hamilton #1 refractor that’s got a chip at the top and I obviously want it to get replaced but if they don’t have a replacement of the same card am I going to get screwed?

People have had luck yes. But you need to be careful. Call and ask if they’re still going to replace those. I’ve heard both. It’s about the 1 year anniversary of the release.


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[BiggNuttz]

Originally Posted by rorymcilroy3

Has anyone had a good experience sending in damaged 2020 f1 cards to Topps?

I have a Hamilton #1 refractor that’s got a chip at the top and I obviously want it to get replaced but if they don’t have a replacement of the same card am I going to get screwed?

Over the years, there has been a lot of bad, and some good about Topps replacement program. I just went through this, so I can give you some observations. No advice or recommendations, just observations.

First of all, here is a link to the Topps Replacement Request webpage:

http://topps.custhelp.com/app/answer...replacement%3F

The general rule for a replacement card to be issued, is a card that would grade LESS than a PSA 8.

Note from the link above that you will need to provide the following:

The completed claim form.
The damaged card.
The purchase receipt from the store you purchased the box/packs from.
An empty pack wrapper.
The cut out UPC code from the bottom of the box.

Currently, it will take 6~8 MONTHS for Topps to send you a replacement. From my recent experience, this is spot on. My replacement took 6 months (sent in October 2021).

As was mentioned by the poster above, we are approaching the one year anniversary of release, which is roughly where Topps would draw the line at "CURRENT YEAR PRODUCT". 2021 Topps Chrome F1 has also just been released, so this may also play into the "CURRENT YEAR PRODUCT" requirement.

Once you send the card and the associated materials off, you will just have to wait. Topps will not confirm receipt of your card; they will not advise the status of your card. They offer no updates or information of any sort. Calling or emailing is completely useless. They will not respond or offer any information at all about the status of your request. Until a package shows up (hopefully!) in your mailbox, you will have no idea what is going on.

In my case, I live in Japan and the card I was requesting to be replaced was a Lewis Hamilton #1 colour parallel with a very large print defect on the back (a large black spot in the material itself). I sent the card by EMS, but for some reason the tracking never showed the card as delivered (still not showing to this day in fact). I was in a panic, and just wanted confirmation that they had received the card, but they were never able to confirm this to me. In any event, a package was delivered by Fedex last week with an exact replacement for the card! In the end it all worked out, but the lack of any type of communication or acknowledgement of the card being processed is a pretty large deficiency in the entire process.

In your case things seem a bit less clear. The damage you describe might not be bad enough that Topps deems it replacement worthy. Imagine sending the card off, waiting six months in purgatory to see what gets returned, only to find that they send you back your card, noting that the damage was not bad enough to be deemed worthy of replacement. If you do not have all of the documentation and receipt as they require, they could potentially reject your request. On the other hand, if they do deem the card worthy of exchanging, the card you get in return will likely be a top quality example, with the possibility to grade PSA 10.

I do have 100% confidence in Topps and the program itself, but the lack of communication really makes it a stressful experience. How hard would it be to have a system where you can upload some scans and a request, send it off by email, and then get an RMA number from Topps once they have approved your request?

In your case, it really depends on how bad you feel the damage is, your willingness to trust the system and wait the 6~8 months required.

Regards

[149montblanc]

Does anyone know any places in the UK where I can get some lite hobby boxes at a decent price? The prices on eBay for all the lite boxes have skyrocketed to $435

[149montblanc]

How are people able to get full sealed cases? Looked online and seen several sites selling full cases at inflated prices???

[slogue2]

Originally Posted by 149montblanc

How are people able to get full sealed cases? Looked online and seen several sites selling full cases at inflated prices???

I bought 1 from my local card shop and 2 more from Blowout during a preorder.

[nickdrizzle]

Originally Posted by 149montblanc

How are people able to get full sealed cases? Looked online and seen several sites selling full cases at inflated prices???

I bought one from ebay when the product first dropped... should have bought singles to rip instead of tearing thru the case. oh well

[phildow]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

F1/Indy are the true race cars in most of the world. I think people here are just getting that now. Take Le Mans with Steve McQueen. Not a good movie but the cars are cool. Nascar can't match that kind of heroic image.

I can also thank Drive to Survive for getting me into F1.

Having a Mechanical Engineering degree, I appreciate the extreme level F1 operates at. The amount of temperature management & airflow management required for the the cars to perform well is next level. When you hear drivers saying something on the radio about the brakes being too cold...or see brakes catching on fire...I start to think about the number of variables influencing those temperatures and the list starts growing very quickly.

Yeah...I'm a fan.

[BayAreaChris]

Bought two lite boxes. Too much FOMO.

[ATeamHasNoName]

Originally Posted by phildow

I can also thank Drive to Survive for getting me into F1.

Having a Mechanical Engineering degree, I appreciate the extreme level F1 operates at. The amount of temperature management & airflow management required for the the cars to perform well is next level. When you hear drivers saying something on the radio about the brakes being too cold...or see brakes catching on fire...I start to think about the number of variables influencing those temperatures and the list starts growing very quickly.

Yeah...I'm a fan.

Guess i know what my next binge will be after succession


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[Meets1]

Originally Posted by slogue2

I have never card about any motorsport racing in my first 33 years on this planet. I binged Drive to Survive early last year and haven't missed a Saturday qualifying or Sunday race since. I genuinely enjoy collecting these cards. And to a much larger degree than I do baseball cards, which is my favorite sport.

I don't know if everyone is in the same boat as me, but I've fallen hard and fast for this sport.

I'm the exact same- in my late 40's and couldn't have cared less about racing until the last year when I picked up watching F1/Drive to Survive. I can't wait for the race on Sunday. Never thought I'd ever say that about a race. Picked up some hobby last week and was absolutely giddy opening them. Shoot, I even found myself watching practice today on ESPN News. I gotta believe this has piqued the interest of a looooot of people.

[PoPCulture]

In 4 Lite boxes I hit the Theo Pourchaire Future Stars #78 motherload…

1 Refractor
1 B&W RayWave Refractor
1 True Purple Refractor/399
1 True Gold Refractor /50

I guess I will be treating F1 the same way I do Bowman 1st Chromes. The kid looks to be the next big thing so probably won’t have to wait long…

[TheKillers11]

I am mentally preparing myself for sapphire. I hope there are autos to chase!


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[shu4040]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

Bought two lite boxes. Too much FOMO.

::nods approvingly::


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[slogue2]

Originally Posted by jbettis32

Just relax and tried to figure out the print run, I do only have Lite packs in hand, and so I only count on the print run for lite box. Please see if someone can input the odds for hobby then

Since Raywave is in lite only (16 packs box, not 18 packs in hobby), will use the odd for calculation:

Black Raywave: 1:2829 in 175 cards ~ 495075 packs ~ 30942 boxes ~ 1933 cases
Red Raywave 1:567 in 175 cards(#5) ~ 496125 packs ~ 31007 boxes ~ 1937 cases
Green Raywave 1:29 in 175 cards (#99) ~ 502425 packs ~ 31401 boxes ~ 1962 cases

Pretty close, and let's make it 2000 cases in assumption. 2000 cases * 16 boxes * 16 packs ~ 512000 packs

Gold Wave (#50) in Lite packs is 1:192 packs, Orange Wave (#25) is 1:382

512000 packs/192 ~ 2667 Gold wave/175 cards ~ 15.2
~ 15 Gold Waves in Lite, it leaves 35 Gold waves in Hobby

512000 packs/382 ~ 1340 Orange Wave/175 cards ~ 7.6
~ 8 Orange Wave in Lite, leaves 17 Orange Waves in Hobby

Let's see if someone can do the hobby part, and know the rough print run for 21 F1.

Did the hobby print run based on the red checker flag falling every 1:810 packs. See below:

175 card checklist x 810 packs x 5 per card print run = 708,750 hobby packs.

708,750 packs / 18 packs per box = 39,375 boxes

39,375 boxes / 12 boxes per case = 3,281 cases

There will be some variability based on whether you base the calculation on superfractor auto or gold checker flag pack odds, but I’m doing this on my phone and don’t want to type that all out.

So 3,281 hobby cases and 2,000 Lite cases. Based on these calculations, there is a print run of 300 image variations per driver. 207 in hobby and 92 in Lite.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by slogue2

Did the hobby print run based on the red checker flag falling every 1:810 packs. See below:

175 card checklist x 810 packs x 5 per card print run = 708,750 hobby packs.

708,750 packs / 12 packs per box = 59,062 boxes

59,062 boxes / 12 boxes per case = 4,922 cases

There will be some variability based on whether you base the calculation on superfractor auto or gold checker flag pack odds, but I’m doing this on my phone and don’t want to type that all out.

So 4,922 hobby cases and 2,000 Lite cases. Based on these calculations, there is a print run of 300 image variations per driver. 207 in hobby and 92 in Lite.

18 packs per box - 3281 cases?

[slogue2]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

18 packs per box - 3281 cases?

Yep! Gosh darn it. I’ll edit my post. Thanks for pointing that out. Doesn’t change the IV number though because that is just based on the number of packs. Good catch.

[rorymcilroy3]

Originally Posted by BiggNuttz

Over the years, there has been a lot of bad, and some good about Topps replacement program. I just went through this, so I can give you some observations. No advice or recommendations, just observations.

First of all, here is a link to the Topps Replacement Request webpage:

http://topps.custhelp.com/app/answer...replacement%3F

The general rule for a replacement card to be issued, is a card that would grade LESS than a PSA 8.

Note from the link above that you will need to provide the following:

The completed claim form.
The damaged card.
The purchase receipt from the store you purchased the box/packs from.
An empty pack wrapper.
The cut out UPC code from the bottom of the box.

Currently, it will take 6~8 MONTHS for Topps to send you a replacement. From my recent experience, this is spot on. My replacement took 6 months (sent in October 2021).

As was mentioned by the poster above, we are approaching the one year anniversary of release, which is roughly where Topps would draw the line at "CURRENT YEAR PRODUCT". 2021 Topps Chrome F1 has also just been released, so this may also play into the "CURRENT YEAR PRODUCT" requirement.

Once you send the card and the associated materials off, you will just have to wait. Topps will not confirm receipt of your card; they will not advise the status of your card. They offer no updates or information of any sort. Calling or emailing is completely useless. They will not respond or offer any information at all about the status of your request. Until a package shows up (hopefully!) in your mailbox, you will have no idea what is going on.

In my case, I live in Japan and the card I was requesting to be replaced was a Lewis Hamilton #1 colour parallel with a very large print defect on the back (a large black spot in the material itself). I sent the card by EMS, but for some reason the tracking never showed the card as delivered (still not showing to this day in fact). I was in a panic, and just wanted confirmation that they had received the card, but they were never able to confirm this to me. In any event, a package was delivered by Fedex last week with an exact replacement for the card! In the end it all worked out, but the lack of any type of communication or acknowledgement of the card being processed is a pretty large deficiency in the entire process.

In your case things seem a bit less clear. The damage you describe might not be bad enough that Topps deems it replacement worthy. Imagine sending the card off, waiting six months in purgatory to see what gets returned, only to find that they send you back your card, noting that the damage was not bad enough to be deemed worthy of replacement. If you do not have all of the documentation and receipt as they require, they could potentially reject your request. On the other hand, if they do deem the card worthy of exchanging, the card you get in return will likely be a top quality example, with the possibility to grade PSA 10.

I do have 100% confidence in Topps and the program itself, but the lack of communication really makes it a stressful experience. How hard would it be to have a system where you can upload some scans and a request, send it off by email, and then get an RMA number from Topps once they have approved your request?

In your case, it really depends on how bad you feel the damage is, your willingness to trust the system and wait the 6~8 months required.

Regards

Thank you!