Trout or Mays? - Page 2

GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 10:54 PM

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Just throwing it out there, but Frank Robinson finished 4th that year with worse stats. Try again.

And who won? Ken Boyer! And who was second? Johnny Callison! You try again.

ThoseBackPages · 02-23-2022, 10:54 PM

rats, is this your burner? lol

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

And who won? Ken Boyer! And who was second? Johnny Callison! You try again.

You might want to check my edit...

Mays' Giants also finished in 4th place that year. The Cardinals came in first.

That mattered back then.

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 10:58 PM

In addition, Mays won an MVP in 1954, 10 years before this "bigoted, racist group of voters" screwed him over.

Was racism just not a thing in the 50's? Or could it be that the Giants came in 1st that year and he had a great season...

Like I said, try again.

GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 10:59 PM

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Mays' Giants also finished in 4th place that year. The Cardinals came in first.

That mattered back then.

True, but the Giants were only 3 games back and the Phillies finished third that season. No way should have Callison received more votes than Mays.

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

True, but the Giants were only 3 games back and the Phillies finished third that season. No way should have Callison received more votes than Mays.

You're just going to skip over the part where two African Americans still finished ahead of him, huh?

GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 11:04 PM

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You're just going to skip over the part where two African Americans still finished ahead of him, huh?

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Bottom line, two white players with weaker stats finished ahead of Mays. If you don't think it was due to the writers being prejudiced, you're clueless.

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Bottom line, two white players with weaker stats finished ahead of Mays. If you don't think it was due to the writers being prejudiced, you're clueless.

You're stating this like it's fact, when you have literally zero proof that happened.

Again, why would they vote him MVP in 1954, but not in 1964 because of racism? That doesn't make any sense...

Topps77 · 02-23-2022, 11:06 PM

Can't compare the legends of the past to current players. Babe Ruth probably never saw a fastball over 90mph. He wouldn't make the MLB roster if he played today.

Topps77 · 02-23-2022, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).

Wait until he hits 40+ Hrs this year if they play 162

jusdukky · 02-23-2022, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

Give it a rest. I have never posted here under any other ID, got it?

You may be the first "new" poster to know what PBM means.

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Topps77

Wait until he hits 40+ Hrs this year if they play 162

Don't waste your time. The dude was spouting stats like AVG, HR's, and RBI's. He's clueless to what's valued in today's game.

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jusdukky

You may be the first "new" poster to know what PBM means.

You're right. That is suspicious in itself...

Topps77 · 02-23-2022, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.

All Lives Matter

GrahamMoonlight · 02-24-2022, 12:18 AM

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You may be the first "new" poster to know what PBM means.

Because you're probably the 5th paranoid poster to give me that PBM nonsense since I joined here. I'm bright enough to figure out what that achronym stands for. Again, give it a rest.

GrahamMoonlight · 02-24-2022, 12:20 AM

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Don't waste your time. The dude was spouting stats like AVG, HR's, and RBI's. He's clueless to what's valued in today's game.

What's valued is a player who's tough enough to play 162 games and not make excuses all the time. Missing almost 100 games with a calf muscle pull told me all I need to know about Trout.

ThoseBackPages · 02-24-2022, 12:22 AM

strong POMO vibes bro

Mooch1 · 02-24-2022, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

Like Ken Griffey Jr.'s cards are in the dumper? Keep in mind that Griffey's accolades pale in comparison to Trout.

LOL
Now I know I’m onnna dem old farts who is clueless
But if we are talking Griffey jr?
Not senior
That one loses me
War vs average be darned LOL
You gonna have to close me on that one
And just to hear it off at the pass
Not a pbm
What is that like the battle cry of the forum ? Rotfl

Mooch1 · 02-24-2022, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Topps77

Can't compare the legends of the past to current players. Babe Ruth probably never saw a fastball over 90mph. He wouldn't make the MLB roster if he played today.

Mnnnnnnn I dunno boss
Unless I’m mixing eras?
Walter Johnson was pretty fast I’ve read......

Mooch1 · 02-24-2022, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

You're right. That is suspicious in itself...

I had to ask......lol

Mooch1 · 02-24-2022, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

strong POMO vibes bro

Pomo?
Good lord does anyone write things out any more?

Mooch1 · 02-24-2022, 12:54 AM

There’s room for everybody LOL
In my opinion
If you enjoy stats and crunching numbers it’s all good
If you like the traditional method it’s all good
Just saying
At the end of the day who cares......

Mooch1 · 02-24-2022, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bryperly20

Hey all was curious on your thoughts long term- which would you rather have?

A BGS 9/PSA 9 ‘09 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto

Or

A PSA 3/4 ‘52 Topps Willie Mays

For this question I chose to use the ‘52 Topps instead of the ‘51 bowman for Mays because of the significance of the first Topps card (I know it isn’t his true rookie) looking forward to hearing what you all think! Have a good night

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Willie Mays sir!!!!
Not even close
In my old geezer clueless opinion LOL
And I have no clue either how hobby werks either lol

pete2345 · 02-24-2022, 12:57 AM

The correct card would be a Mantle, Ruth or Jordan same as it always is.

GrahamMoonlight · 02-24-2022, 12:57 AM

If Trout has a great season and plays at least 150 games, I'll jump on the Trout train. Fair enough?

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02-24-2022, 12:22 AM	#42
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02-23-2022, 10:58 PM	#29
rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,372	In addition, Mays won an MVP in 1954, 10 years before this "bigoted, racist group of voters" screwed him over. Was racism just not a thing in the 50's? Or could it be that the Giants came in 1st that year and he had a great season... Like I said, try again.

02-23-2022, 11:06 PM	#34
Topps77 Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 156	Can't compare the legends of the past to current players. Babe Ruth probably never saw a fastball over 90mph. He wouldn't make the MLB roster if he played today.

02-24-2022, 12:54 AM	#47
Mooch1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 423	There’s room for everybody LOL In my opinion If you enjoy stats and crunching numbers it’s all good If you like the traditional method it’s all good Just saying At the end of the day who cares......

02-24-2022, 12:57 AM	#49
pete2345 Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Birthplace of Michael Jordan home of biggie smalls! Posts: 4,125	The correct card would be a Mantle, Ruth or Jordan same as it always is.

02-24-2022, 12:57 AM	#50
GrahamMoonlight Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Scituate, RI Posts: 263	If Trout has a great season and plays at least 150 games, I'll jump on the Trout train. Fair enough?