Trout or Mays?

Perl_Cards · 02-23-2022, 09:44 PM

Hey all was curious on your thoughts long term- which would you rather have?

A BGS 9/PSA 9 ‘09 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto

Or

A PSA 3/4 ‘52 Topps Willie Mays

For this question I chose to use the ‘52 Topps instead of the ‘51 bowman for Mays because of the significance of the first Topps card (I know it isn’t his true rookie) looking forward to hearing what you all think! Have a good night

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ThoseBackPages · 02-23-2022, 09:49 PM

Hank Aaron!

Perl_Cards · 02-23-2022, 09:50 PM

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Hank Aaron!

Can’t go wrong with a legend!!! Been on the hunt for a rc myself.

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GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 09:52 PM

Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation. Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.

wharfrat7624 · 02-23-2022, 09:58 PM

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Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation. Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.

Is this sarcasm?

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GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 10:03 PM

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Is this sarcasm?

Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).

Perl_Cards · 02-23-2022, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).

IMO- The body of work Trout’s resume boasts makes 100 games missed immaterial. Rest is just speculation on his health for rest of his career.

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bigdog2003 · 02-23-2022, 10:07 PM

I would go Mays, but I don't think either is a bad move.

Perl_Cards · 02-23-2022, 10:08 PM

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I would go Mays, but I don't think either is a bad move.

I appreciate it- thought it was an interesting question. Thanks for your input!

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ThoseBackPages · 02-23-2022, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation. Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.

terrible analogy in todays hobby

Skipscards · 02-23-2022, 10:15 PM

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terrible analogy in todays hobby

Agreed.

Skipscards · 02-23-2022, 10:16 PM

Oh, and the 52 Mays.

GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 10:24 PM

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terrible analogy in todays hobby

You Trout investors and speculators can't handle the truth. Here's the stats:

Ralph Kiner: 10 seasons: 369 HR and 1015 RBI with a .279 Average

Mike Trout: 10 seasons: 305 HR and 800 RBI with a .305 Average

I rest my case. Trout's numbers are actually worse than Kiner's over the first 10 seasons. Like Kiner, he may make the HOF with luck, but he's not in the same category as Aaron and Mays.

ThoseBackPages · 02-23-2022, 10:27 PM

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You Trout investors and speculators can't handle the truth. Here's the stats:

Ralph Kiner: 10 seasons: 369 HR and 1015 RBI with a .279 Average

Mike Trout: 10 seasons: 305 HR and 800 RBI with a .305 Average

I rest my case. Trout's numbers are actually worse than Kiner's over the first 10 seasons. Like Kiner, he may make the HOF with luck, but he's not in the same category as Aaron and Mays.

you dont know how the hobby works in 2022

time to fire up another burner

rwperu34 · 02-23-2022, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).

Trout is already one of the best players of all time. This is literally the first time Trout hasn't finished in the top 5 in MVP voting. At this point it is merely a question of whether he ends up one of the GOAT or the actual freakin' GOAT.

Put in perspective, Trout already has more MVP than Mays, has finished top 2 or 5 or whatever than Mays. Through similar age their stats are similar. In the end he might not get to Mays level, but he has already surpassed the likes of all but a handful of players. Those players are all time greats, not the Ralph Kiners of the world.

GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 10:36 PM

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you dont know how the hobby works in 2022

You're not talking about the hobby, you're talking about 40 year old men "investing" in baseball cards. They can only prop up Trout's card values for so long. He'd better stay healthy this season or his cards will be in the dumper in no time.

rwperu34 · 02-23-2022, 10:39 PM

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You're not talking about the hobby, you're talking about 40 year old men "investing" in baseball cards. They can only prop up Trout's card values for so long. He'd better stay healthy this season or his cards will be in the dumper in no time.

Like Ken Griffey Jr.'s cards are in the dumper? Keep in mind that Griffey's accolades pale in comparison to Trout.

ThoseBackPages · 02-23-2022, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

You're not talking about the hobby, you're talking about 40 year old men "investing" in baseball cards. They can only prop up Trout's card values for so long. He'd better stay healthy this season or his cards will be in the dumper in no time.

you are looking for pizza in an ice cream store. Ralph Kiner? really?

if Trout has another down year in 2022, it will not help for sure, but it will not be the end of the world, and if he returns to being Mike Trout, all of these current doomsdayers will zip it for sure

and yes, this is a sports card forum, where we discuss cards! lol

jusdukky · 02-23-2022, 10:42 PM

PBM watch activated....

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 10:43 PM

Oh boy, we've got ourselves another "WAR is stupid and dumb" guy...

Edited to add, Trout's WAR is currently nearly 30 points higher than Kiner and that's with two severely shortened seasons for him and only playing 40 games in 2011.

GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 10:48 PM

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Put in perspective, Trout already has more MVP than Mays

That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.

rngrdanny22 · 02-23-2022, 10:51 PM

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That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.

Just throwing it out there, but Frank Robinson finished 4th that year with worse stats, and Bill White (don't let the last name fool you) finished 3rd. Try again.

ThoseBackPages · 02-23-2022, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.

oh boy.

i think Net54 is more your speed bro

GrahamMoonlight · 02-23-2022, 10:51 PM

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Give it a rest. I have never posted here under any other ID, got it?

towerymt · 02-23-2022, 10:53 PM

I heard Tommy John offered to donate his calf to Mike Trout so he could get a second surgery named after himself.

02-23-2022, 09:44 PM	#1
Perl_Cards Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 329 brperlm6	Trout or Mays? Hey all was curious on your thoughts long term- which would you rather have? A BGS 9/PSA 9 ‘09 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto Or A PSA 3/4 ‘52 Topps Willie Mays For this question I chose to use the ‘52 Topps instead of the ‘51 bowman for Mays because of the significance of the first Topps card (I know it isn’t his true rookie) looking forward to hearing what you all think! Have a good night Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,372	Oh boy, we've got ourselves another "WAR is stupid and dumb" guy... Edited to add, Trout's WAR is currently nearly 30 points higher than Kiner and that's with two severely shortened seasons for him and only playing 40 games in 2011. Last edited by rngrdanny22; 02-23-2022 at 10:48 PM.

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GrahamMoonlight Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Scituate, RI Posts: 263	Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation. Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.

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towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,971	I heard Tommy John offered to donate his calf to Mike Trout so he could get a second surgery named after himself.