Official 2021-22 Big Ten Basketball Thread

[JustinVerlander07]

How many incidents does Howard need to have before that goon is canned? Wasn't enough when he tried to fight a coach last year?

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Howard wont get fired for that. Michigan just flat out won't. He will get a hefty suspension. Both sides will likely have suspensions as Gard and co. arent innocent in this situation either. Howard was going for the walk by handshake and Gard pushed him back to have a "conversation" after calling a pointless timeout when the game was over. Both sides are guilty in how it transpired. Will be interesting to see who gets suspended and for how long. Howard's suspension could definitely be for the rest of the season.

No timeout gets called if they arent defending the last guys off the bench full court with 15 seconds left. Every game i've seen when there is a 15 point lead with 15 seconds left is a guy dribbling out the clock. If Michigan can play the full 40, why cant he call a time out and play the full 40 also? i know there are unwritten rules, this would seem to be a violation of both, but one wouldnt have happened without the other.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

No timeout gets called if they arent defending the last guys off the bench full court with 15 seconds left. Every game i've seen when there is a 15 point lead with 15 seconds left is a guy dribbling out the clock. If Michigan can play the full 40, why cant he call a time out and play the full 40 also? i know there are unwritten rules, this would seem to be a violation of both, but one wouldnt have happened without the other.

Also wouldnt have happened if Gard didnt grab Howard by the arm and stop him when Howard was clearly trying to do a quick walk by hand shake. Howard was already pissed. Wisconsin escalated it and then Howard went berserk. Both sides are to blame here in this situation and I expect both teams to have players and coaches suspended.

I have no issues with the timeout. I would have done that as a coach too in that situation. I have an issue with Gard grabbing Howard. That is what pushed everything over the top.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Also wouldnt have happened if Gard didnt grab Howard by the arm and stop him when Howard was clearly trying to do a quick walk by hand shake. Howard was already pissed. Wisconsin escalated it and then Howard went berserk. Both sides are to blame here in this situation and I expect both teams to have players and coaches suspended.

I have no issues with the timeout. I would have done that as a coach too in that situation. I have an issue with Gard grabbing Howard. That is what pushed everything over the top.

Howard wasn't trying to shake a hand.

Howard was already berserk trying to walk off the court without doing a handshake. Then, he got into the line to try and talk crap. He got a reaction that he wanted. He was just looking for confrontation.

Then to say he was "defending himself" is laughable.

Not only did he look bad, he got two of his kids throwing punches and now they have to face punishment too. If Howard's punishment is less than the kids, then they are sending the wrong message.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Also wouldnt have happened if Gard didnt grab Howard by the arm and stop him when Howard was clearly trying to do a quick walk by hand shake. Howard was already pissed. Wisconsin escalated it and then Howard went berserk. Both sides are to blame here in this situation and I expect both teams to have players and coaches suspended.

I have no issues with the timeout. I would have done that as a coach too in that situation. I have an issue with Gard grabbing Howard. That is what pushed everything over the top.

last post you called it a pointless time out when the game was over, now your ok with it. The whole episode after with Gard trying to explain why he called the time out wouldnt have happened if Howard wasnt a hot head about a timeout that would have never happened if it wasnt for Howards team playing the full 40. Apparently Howards players can play the full 40 minutes but not the opposition, and apparently Howard can speak his peace in line telling Gard he'll remember that timeout but Gard isnt allowed to speak his mind and explain why he called the TO. I do agree with you that there will be suspension on both sides.

[Bretsky]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

last post you called it a pointless time out when the game was over, now your ok with it. The whole episode after with Gard trying to explain why he called the time out wouldnt have happened if Howard wasnt a hot head about a timeout that would have never happened if it wasnt for Howards team playing the full 40. Apparently Howards players can play the full 40 minutes but not the opposition, and apparently Howard can speak his peace in line telling Gard he'll remember that timeout but Gard isnt allowed to speak his mind and explain why he called the TO. I do agree with you that there will be suspension on both sides.

Not to mention Howard called a timeout last week down 14 to tosu with under a minute left in the game. If you are still pressing until the end of the game the wisky has every right to get the ball over the half court line. His behavior was inexcusable. He needs to be suspended for at least the regular season and BTT.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

last post you called it a pointless time out when the game was over, now your ok with it. The whole episode after with Gard trying to explain why he called the time out wouldnt have happened if Howard wasnt a hot head about a timeout that would have never happened if it wasnt for Howards team playing the full 40. Apparently Howards players can play the full 40 minutes but not the opposition, and apparently Howard can speak his peace in line telling Gard he'll remember that timeout but Gard isnt allowed to speak his mind and explain why he called the TO. I do agree with you that there will be suspension on both sides.

I am not a fan of either team, so I can see this as impartial as any.

I thought it was a pointless timeout until I heard Gard's explanation. After hearing that, I agreed with why he called it.

I dont agree with Gard putting his hands on Howard, stopping him to try and explain anytbing when Howard was trying to go by and get out of there. Gard keeps his hands to himself and just let's Howard angrily walk by and get out of there, nothing happens. Someone needed to be the bigger person in that situation, but instead both Gard (and his assistants) and Howard look like children to me. But Gard putting his hands on Howard is what truly escalated everything to what it became.

[lambeauleap87]

https://twitter.com/ZachHeilprin/sta...98900002107393

Howard probably should've punched Gard after each of these games too if he felt so threatened.

[JustinVerlander07]

Anyone defending Howard is just so out of touch. That loser has had several incidents in the past. How a university lets that guy be a leader of kids is unreal. Dude tried to fight Turgeon last year. How can anyone make excuses for him?

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Anyone defending Howard is just so out of touch. That loser has had several incidents in the past. How a university lets that guy be a leader of kids is unreal. Dude tried to fight Turgeon last year. How can anyone make excuses for him?

Howard is CLEARLY not innocent here, but neither is Gard. Im not defending either side, just calling it how I see it. The pressing and the timeout are a whole thing, but if Gard just let's Howard go off pouting and doesnt grab him and stop him, it never escalates past maybe some post game jabs from Howard. Also, if the Wisconsin assistant doesnt put his hands on Michigan players, punches likely never get thrown. BOTH sides are guilty here, but Howards reaction deserves to get a suspension for the rest of the season, at the least. Gard should face a one game suspension and the assistant Howard hit should get a 2-3 game suspension for putting his hands on a player. Both sides are guilty and, how I saw it, Gard made the mistake of putting his hands on Howard, which sparked the over the top reaction from Howard. Howard needs to be more professional, however, and not act like he is still playing back in the 90s

[JustinVerlander07]

Not buying it man. Imagine being irate because you are full court pressing walkons in a game that is 100% over and get mad the other coach calls a timeout because of it. That doesn't give any justification to be a lunatic.

This is ALL on Howard. He's not a role model or leader of men or anything he wants to act like. He's a loser who can't control himself.

[brett06]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Not buying it man. Imagine being irate because you are full court pressing walkons in a game that is 100% over and get mad the other coach calls a timeout because of it. That doesn't give any justification to be a lunatic.

This is ALL on Howard. He's not a role model or leader of men or anything he wants to act like. He's a loser who can't control himself.

Agreed they were walk ons there’s zero point to press. He said he wanted to get outta there, why press? Why not let them dribble to just run out the clock? Does he feel better about his team getting steals and extra points off walk ons? I think it wasn’t even this game. Michigan had high expectations coming into the season and they clearly weren’t even close to met. That plus the loss and how it happened at the end boiled him over already. His whole story is a complete joke! Feared for his life…..come on!

[cnewby]

JV so active again.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Not buying it man. Imagine being irate because you are full court pressing walkons in a game that is 100% over and get mad the other coach calls a timeout because of it. That doesn't give any justification to be a lunatic.

This is ALL on Howard. He's not a role model or leader of men or anything he wants to act like. He's a loser who can't control himself.

I get that you hate Michigan, but c'mon. Both sides are guilty of acting like children, not just one. Get the blinders off and view it from an impartial side. If Gard doesnt grab Howard, it ends in the game. Simple as that. If Gard's assistant doesnt push a Michigan player, no punches get thrown. It isnt hard to see how both sides acted in the wrong way, Howard just happened to take it to another level by throwing an open handed slap

[mnvikingstwins]

Juwan did nothing wrong, no more egregious than anything Davison has done regularly in his 8 years at wisconsin

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I get that you hate Michigan, but c'mon. Both sides are guilty of acting like children, not just one. Get the blinders off and view it from an impartial side. If Gard doesnt grab Howard, it ends in the game. Simple as that. If Gard's assistant doesnt push a Michigan player, no punches get thrown. It isnt hard to see how both sides acted in the wrong way, Howard just happened to take it to another level by throwing an open handed slap

Howard escalated. "I feared for my life" yea the old 5'9 guy made you scared, sure. ...Coaches "grab" all the time for handshakes, lets not get this into hyperbole.

Also, imma leave this here: https://twitter.com/benzkenney/statu...90206870855693

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Howard escalated. "I feared for my life" yea the old 5'9 guy made you scared, sure. ...Coaches "grab" all the time for handshakes, lets not get this into hyperbole.

Also, imma leave this here: https://twitter.com/benzkenney/statu...90206870855693

Again, your hatred of Michigan is showing. Gard grabbed a pissed off coach by the arm in a manner that wasnt just a normal "coach grab". It is actually hilarious that you think nobody else but Howard did anything wrong, which just shows your bias. Game aside, Howard was trying to walk through the line and get out of there. Gard stopped him by grabbing him. THAT is where things began to escalate. A Wisconsin assistant pushed a Michigan player then and THAT is when Howard slapped him. Nobody is innocent in this situation, everyone is guilty.

[BennyBuster]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Again, your hatred of Michigan is showing. Gard grabbed a pissed off coach by the arm in a manner that wasnt just a normal "coach grab". It is actually hilarious that you think nobody else but Howard did anything wrong, which just shows your bias. Game aside, Howard was trying to walk through the line and get out of there. Gard stopped him by grabbing him. THAT is where things began to escalate. A Wisconsin assistant pushed a Michigan player then and THAT is when Howard slapped him. Nobody is innocent in this situation, everyone is guilty.

Lets make it clear that before Gard grabbed Howard, Howard lowered his mask and shouted "I'll remember that". If Howard truly wanted to just do a blow by, he wouldn't have said anything first.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by BennyBuster

Lets make it clear that before Gard grabbed Howard, Howard lowered his mask and shouted "I'll remember that". If Howard truly wanted to just do a blow by, he wouldn't have said anything first.

So that warrants grabbing someone that is already pissed off and clearly made it known? Again, someone needed to act like an adult in the situation and nobody did. That is the sad part.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Packer4Rob

No timeout gets called if they arent defending the last guys off the bench full court with 15 seconds left. Every game i've seen when there is a 15 point lead with 15 seconds left is a guy dribbling out the clock. If Michigan can play the full 40, why cant he call a time out and play the full 40 also? i know there are unwritten rules, this would seem to be a violation of both, but one wouldn't have happened without the other.

You must not watch a lot of basketball. I see it all of the time. It goes both ways, some teams play hard until the end, some teams just stand around and let the clock run out, some teams are fouling and shooting 3s down 15-19 points. In 2005, Illinois was routinely up 30+ points and put the guys at the end of the bench in and the margin ended up less than 20. Who cares if a team wants to play 40 minutes? What I have never seen is a team up 15-19 points call 2 timeouts in the last minute. I can't believe that people are defending Gard. He was absolutely wrong and was fined by the Big 10 for his actions. Like CC said, everyone was wrong here. You don't grab another coach, you don't push someone, you don't throw a punch.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by rats60

You must not watch a lot of basketball. I see it all of the time. It goes both ways, some teams play hard until the end, some teams just stand around and let the clock run out, some teams are fouling and shooting 3s down 15-19 points. In 2005, Illinois was routinely up 30+ points and put the guys at the end of the bench in and the margin ended up less than 20. Who cares if a team wants to play 40 minutes? What I have never seen is a team up 15-19 points call 2 timeouts in the last minute. I can't believe that people are defending Gard. He was absolutely wrong and was fined by the Big 10 for his actions. Like CC said, everyone was wrong here. You don't grab another coach, you don't push someone, you don't throw a punch.

No you don't.

If one team puts in their end of bench guys, you typically don't see the other team keep in starters and main bench guys.

So, if Juwan wants to keep his guys in and have his guys play hard, Gard can coach his guys until the end as well. The only issue Juwan has is they coughed up the game, in which they were tied at the half, and they looked like crap that second half.

Gard wasn't fined for calling timeouts. He was fined for his part in the scuffle.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by indyguy

No you don't.

If one team puts in their end of bench guys, you typically don't see the other team keep in starters and main bench guys.

So, if Juwan wants to keep his guys in and have his guys play hard, Gard can coach his guys until the end as well. The only issue Juwan has is they coughed up the game, in which they were tied at the half, and they looked like crap that second half.

Gard wasn't fined for calling timeouts. He was fined for his part in the scuffle.

That is just not true. Sometimes teams put their walkons in too, sometimes they leave their starters in.

I never said Gard was fined for calling timeouts, he was fined for grabbing Howard and escalating the situation. People here are trying to act like he did nothing wrong.

[CC_123]

Man, the officials are making this hard to watch. Touch fouls on both Wisconsin and Minnesota every time down the floor. Let the kids play some ball and not have the game decided at the free throw line.

[brett06]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Man, the officials are making this hard to watch. Touch fouls on both Wisconsin and Minnesota every time down the floor. Let the kids play some ball and not have the game decided at the free throw line.

That was very poor officiating on both ends!! Not a fan of that in a rivalry game. Very much agree with you

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by rats60

That is just not true. Sometimes teams put their walkons in too, sometimes they leave their starters in.

I never said Gard was fined for calling timeouts, he was fined for grabbing Howard and escalating the situation. People here are trying to act like he did nothing wrong.

Please show all of us a list of games this season where a team has put their end of bench guys in and the other team has not.

Since it happens so frequently, this should be easy for you.