SGC Grading

[The_Reverend]

That Topps pre-production could be huge from a value standpoint. They are also hard to find.

[vacardsguy]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

That Topps pre-production could be huge from a value standpoint. They are also hard to find.

Thanks! It’s a neat early Brady that you dont see very often, it will look great in the tux!

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by vacardsguy

Thanks! It’s a neat early Brady that you dont see very often, it will look great in the tux!

Agreed. I have some early base Brady cards that really pop in Tux.

[ufccards]

12/21 shipped
12/23 received
1/19 graded
1/20 shipped
1/22 delivered

super fast considering it was holiday season also

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Anyone else feel like SGC is tougher on grading than PSA?

[Gary]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Anyone else feel like SGC is tougher on grading than PSA?

I said the same thing for years,then someone pointed out that its not really harder per say,just more consistent,meaning they judge a 1953 card the same as a 2021 card.giving the appearance they grade harder.honestly my experience with both graders it seems to me psa grades older cards on the curve.i have PSA 10's i have SGC 10's,without fail under a loop the SGC card is a nicer card.i will stipulate that i have zero ultra modern PSA or SGC slabs so what i said only applies to older paper cards as thats all i have.

Someone was posting a short time ago that SGC very recently was getting even more hard on grades,i think it was Dan that was saying it.(if i got that wrong someone correct me).

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Gary

I said the same thing for years,then someone pointed out that its not really harder per say,just more consistent,meaning they judge a 1953 card the same as a 2021 card.giving the appearance they grade harder.honestly my experience with both graders it seems to me psa grades older cards on the curve.i have PSA 10's i have SGC 10's,without fail under a loop the SGC card is a nicer card.i will stipulate that i have zero ultra modern PSA or SGC slabs so what i said only applies to older paper cards as thats all i have.

Someone was posting a short time ago that SGC very recently was getting even more hard on grades,i think it was Dan that was saying it.(if i got that wrong someone correct me).

That’s interesting. I don’t collect vintage, so that’s info I wouldn’t have stumbled upon on my own.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Anyone else feel like SGC is tougher on grading than PSA?

I don't think they are; I know they are. I have been buying only new SGC slabs recently and they are all under graded compared to PSA and SGC a year ago. They are consistent on how they grade now and that is a full grade lower than PSA in most instances. Where they even out with PSA is the 1 to 3 grades.

In the past SGC graded more on centering and eye-appeal. Now they are brutal on corners and surface for vintage. I am absolutely fine with it. I am buying SGC slabs from people on eBay and from forums for less than the same grade as PSA and I am getting a better card inside. Win, win!

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Gary

I said the same thing for years,then someone pointed out that its not really harder per say,just more consistent,meaning they judge a 1953 card the same as a 2021 card.giving the appearance they grade harder.honestly my experience with both graders it seems to me psa grades older cards on the curve.i have PSA 10's i have SGC 10's,without fail under a loop the SGC card is a nicer card.i will stipulate that i have zero ultra modern PSA or SGC slabs so what i said only applies to older paper cards as thats all i have.

Someone was posting a short time ago that SGC very recently was getting even more hard on grades,i think it was Dan that was saying it.(if i got that wrong someone correct me).

SGC definitely graded vintage on a curve and the seemed to stop that recently. I think this is the issue vintage collectors are having at the moment. On Net54 I have had some conversations with long time SGC submitters, and they noticed this as well. I don't think this is a bad thing for vintage collectors, but you really can't pay the same value for an older PSA/SGC slab. Even stay away from new PSA slabs with old cert numbers. PSA has tightened up on 1970's cards, but still seem looser on 1950's and earlier from my small samples.

If there is a SGC 5 or SGC 6 vintage card you want that is newly slabbed, buy with absolute confidence. You are getting a heck of a card for that price.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

SGC definitely graded vintage on a curve and the seemed to stop that recently. I think this is the issue vintage collectors are having at the moment. On Net54 I have had some conversations with long time SGC submitters, and they noticed this as well. I don't think this is a bad thing for vintage collectors, but you really can't pay the same value for an older PSA/SGC slab. Even stay away from new PSA slabs with old cert numbers. PSA has tightened up on 1970's cards, but still seem looser on 1950's and earlier from my small samples.

If there is a SGC 5 or SGC 6 vintage card you want that is newly slabbed, buy with absolute confidence. You are getting a heck of a card for that price.

I have to defer to you on resent SGC grades,i have not submitted since feb 2021.im still waiting for bulk to open back up,before i submit.or at the very least for $15/20 level.Probably be a year before that happens im guessing.

[collectorcmc]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Anyone else feel like SGC is tougher on grading than PSA?

All of these companies are subjective. This is a brand new 9.5 and it is chipped. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6fcAA...bJ/s-l1600.jpg

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Gary

I said the same thing for years,then someone pointed out that its not really harder per say,just more consistent,meaning they judge a 1953 card the same as a 2021 card.giving the appearance they grade harder.honestly my experience with both graders it seems to me psa grades older cards on the curve.i have PSA 10's i have SGC 10's,without fail under a loop the SGC card is a nicer card.i will stipulate that i have zero ultra modern PSA or SGC slabs so what i said only applies to older paper cards as thats all i have.

Someone was posting a short time ago that SGC very recently was getting even more hard on grades,i think it was Dan that was saying it.(if i got that wrong someone correct me).

I think it’s mostly that people miss a lot more flaws with their vintage cards that just don’t exist with modern. I felt like the three cards I just subbed got more than fair and maybe even generous grades.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I don't think they are; I know they are. I have been buying only new SGC slabs recently and they are all under graded compared to PSA and SGC a year ago. They are consistent on how they grade now and that is a full grade lower than PSA in most instances. Where they even out with PSA is the 1 to 3 grades.

In the past SGC graded more on centering and eye-appeal. Now they are brutal on corners and surface for vintage. I am absolutely fine with it. I am buying SGC slabs from people on eBay and from forums for less than the same grade as PSA and I am getting a better card inside. Win, win!

I think, for me, it seems like they are toughest on centering.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by collectorcmc

All of these companies are subjective. This is a brand new 9.5 and it is chipped. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6fcAA...bJ/s-l1600.jpg

Definitely subjective. I don’t think anyone would argue otherwise. I just think that on a larger scale SGC is a little tougher on grading, particularly centering, than PSA… but yes, it’s all subjective.

[Kfoj]

My cards are at Post grading processing. How long til they hit POP report and when should I expect to receive them?

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Kfoj

My cards are at Post grading processing. How long til they hit POP report and when should I expect to receive them?

This process typically is a few days at most. You should be getting an email shortly telling you that grades are available to view and shipping information. The images for the cards should be available within a day of that email.

[butchie]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Anyone else feel like SGC is tougher on grading than PSA?

I believe they have tightened things down when it comes to their grading. I’ll find out for sure in about 45-50 days. I just sent 6 cards to them last week.

Cheers,

B. T.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by butchie

I believe they have tightened things down when it comes to their grading. I’ll find out for sure in about 45-50 days. I just sent 6 cards to them last week.

Cheers,

B. T.

I dunno. I have gotten some soft grades for sure, but I think the difference between PSA and SGC is having the 9.5 grade. There's a lot of cards that have minor flaws but maybe not big enough to drop a full grade.

[mintacular]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Anyone else feel like SGC is tougher on grading than PSA?

With vintage, PSA is a bit more lenient with centering in many cases and give out 8s and 9s that SGC would not.

Keep in mind, SGC uses half grades quite liberally but PSA does not thus there are many 6.5s, 7.5s, 5.5s, etc. from SGC whereby PSA only will give that .5 bump in rare instances.

So, there are higher grade SGC cards utilizing that .5 since PSA will only go there if it has extremely high appeal. Hope that makes sense. Example a SGC 5.5 is relatively common but a PSA 5.5 would show exceptional eye appeal.

With modern, because SGC has 10, and 10 gold, I sometimes think their 9.5s are really like PSA 9 tops, but then again I don't do much modern.

[DEdestroyer77]

Shipped 12/20
Rec'd 12/23
I just rec'd back 1/24

100% spot on grades, exactly what I expected. Always a happy customer.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by mintacular

With vintage, PSA is a bit more lenient with centering in many cases and give out 8s and 9s that SGC would not.

Keep in mind, SGC uses half grades quite liberally but PSA does not thus there are many 6.5s, 7.5s, 5.5s, etc. from SGC whereby PSA only will give that .5 bump in rare instances.

So, there are higher grade SGC cards utilizing that .5 since PSA will only go there if it has extremely high appeal. Hope that makes sense. Example a SGC 5.5 is relatively common but a PSA 5.5 would show exceptional eye appeal.

With modern, because SGC has 10, and 10 gold, I sometimes think their 9.5s are really like PSA 9 tops, but then again I don't do much modern.

The problem with PSA not having 9.5s is that there are 9s that are really 9.5s and there are 9s that are really 8.5s or very close. Or there are 10s that are really 9.5s - these are primarily cards that would get a 9 centering sub. But the PSA scale isn't sufficiently nuanced to pick up these differences and people like the number 10.

[Giroux]

Fresh one just in. Been slowly picking up some more SGC stuff.

[discodanman45]

Huge changes on SGC's website. Back down to 25 and two more tiers. We should see a price drop soon as well. Seems like demand is waning for modern grading with PSA having their $50 events.

Edit: Adding some information!

You can now check out the high-quality images of any cert number in the database! Super useful for people posting bad images on eBay. I just wish they printed the cert numbers a little bit bigger on the slabs. I need to put my glasses on to read my own.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Huge changes on SGC's website. Back down to 25 and two more tiers. We should see a price drop soon as well. Seems like demand is waning for modern grading with PSA having their $50 events.

The more they go down, the more likely many of my cards will go to them. I still think their price needs to get back down to around 15 dollars or so. PSA re-opening and limiting cards is a great idea. SGC has a quality product and consistent grades, but the hobby has spoken and PSA is ingrained in the minds of the industry.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

The more they go down, the more likely many of my cards will go to them. I still think their price needs to get back down to around 15 dollars or so. PSA re-opening and limiting cards is a great idea. SGC has a quality product and consistent grades, but the hobby has spoken and PSA is ingrained in the minds of the industry.

I won't be grading again until we get sub $20 grading for any grading company. I am only buying SGC slabs right now. Very tough, consistent grades for vintage and now full transparency on their grades by including high-quality scans for look-up on all cards graded for the past year plus.

Does SGC have the best slabs? Nope. Do they have the best resale? Nope. Would I recommend them for ultra-modern? Not really. For vintage do they have the best card in the slab for the grade? Right now, almost always yes!