Vince Carter >>> T Mac?

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by WaveDaFlag

Being white and playing with all that pizzazz was a huge part of it. White Chocolate lives on! He is also an NBA champion. Baron Davis was so much better than him though and a true star player. Also he was part of that historic Warriors team, UCLA glory, he also helped keep the Hornets relevant. If it's true that Jason Williams cards carry more value than Baron Davis that's definitely interesting. Baron continues to be active in production and off the court businesses.

Yep it is true. I sort of mildly collect Baron Davis still and I just picked up one of his Press Pass autos for like $5 on eBay. In comparison Jason Williams’ Press Pass autos go for anywhere from $30-$60 it looks like.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

Or winning rings for that matter. Duncan is basically disrespected by the hobby relative to what he won. Even when an era-adjusted ranking probably puts him in the top 5 all time, as I suggest in the Curry hobby-hype/love thread.

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Absolutely.

Dicks dig the long fall. /pause

Parallel to baseball and it's infatuation with the homerun, altitude and above-the-rim theatrics are what drive fan (and hobby) pockets, especially when it comes to players who've yet to accomplish much. It's the reason why Zion was a social media phenom, and why Ja's a current media darling.

McGrady was absolutely the better overall player, but he had very few memorable or career defining moments. Whereas Vince's in between the legs slam and subsequent 'its over' gesture will be forever replayed in the same vein as Dr. J's baseline scoop.


Vince defined a generation and transcended the sport. He brought casuals in that otherwise cared little about basketball. Tmac didn't do that. If I'm being honest, Tmac was merely PG13's predecessor.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Absolutely.

Dicks dig the long fall. /pause

Parallel to baseball and it's infatuation with the homerun, altitude and above-the-rim theatrics are what drive fan (and hobby) pockets, especially when it comes to players who've yet to accomplish much. It's the reason why Zion was a social media phenom, and why Ja's a current media darling.

McGrady was absolutely the better overall player, but he had very few memorable or career defining moments. Whereas Vince's in between the legs slam and subsequent 'its over' gesture will be forever replayed in the same vein as Dr. J's baseline scoop.


Vince defined a generation and transcended the sport. He brought casuals in that otherwise cared little about basketball. Tmac didn't do that. If I'm being honest, Tmac was merely PG13's predecessor.

Interestingly enough McGrady was also in that dunk contest and was actually the one who tossed Vince the ball. That dunk contest left such an impression on me I can still remember all of the contestants to this day:

Vince Carter
Tracy McGrady
Jerry Stackhouse
Larry Hughes
Steve Francis
Ricky Davis

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Interestingly enough McGrady was also in that dunk contest and was actually the one who tossed Vince the ball.

Good memory! I absolutely make it a point to watch the re-run every all-star weekend on NBA TV. I still remember exactly where I was and who I was with when it happened.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Good memory! I absolutely make it a point to watch the re-run every all-star weekend on NBA TV. I still remember exactly where I was and who I was with when it happened.

Haha here’s an interesting memory. After seeing Vince’s stuff explode following the 1999-00 dunk contest I stocked up on Jason Richardson stuff prior to the 2001-02 dunk contest as he had similar leaping ability to Vince and I figured he would win. Well he won and his stuff absolutely did explode…for a while.

[Kenflin]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

Super partial to jwill as he's my favorite player. But the flash aside and I mean my lawd...the flashiness was second to maybe pistol Pete. I think a big part is relatability. Williams is an average height, average build white dude. Look at the demographics of most people in the hobby. He made playing nba basketball look/feel realistic to many of us. I met the dude, he had to be about my height. Just thinking out loud

I understand how you feel, but neither Pistol Pete nor Jason Williams could compare to Magic Johnson combined.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Haha here’s an interesting memory. After seeing Vince’s stuff explode following the 1999-00 dunk contest I stocked up on Jason Richardson stuff prior to the 2001-02 dunk contest as he had similar leaping ability to Vince and I figured he would win. Well he won and his stuff absolutely did explode…for a while.

JRich definitely had his hobby shine. I still remember that competition as well. Kid has serious bunnies. Those Warrior teams were actually pretty fun to watch with BD, Jrich, and 3 stacks.

Unfortunately I remember very little about Jason's career post-bay area lol.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Kenflin

I understand how you feel, but neither Pistol Pete nor Jason Williams could compare to Magic Johnson combined.

I think it’s already been established Jason Williams’ card values/popularity have doing to do with how good he actually was. Like I earlier stated Jason Williams is basically Jamaal Tinsley career wise.

[Kenflin]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

I think it’s already been established Jason Williams’ card values/popularity have doing to do with how good he actually was. Like I earlier stated Jason Williams is basically Jamaal Tinsley career wise.

My comment was based off the person saying that Williams was second to Pistol Pete in terms of flashiness. It had nothing to do with card value nor popularity.

[GOATcards]

Basically around the time of the dunk contest, Vince was touted as the big hobby rival to Kobe, basically what LeBron became a few years later. I bought into the hype and owned a SP Authentic and SPx Finite. Still, a HOFer.

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[Nomad]

McGrady actually taught Kobe a lot of stuff, so the answer partially lies on your take on the Lakers.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Kenflin

My comment was based off the person saying that Williams was second to Pistol Pete in terms of flashiness. It had nothing to do with card value nor popularity.

I have mad respect for magic, and he was quite a showman, and one of the games best ever players. But as far as flashy and innovative with the passing. Jwill absolutely $hits on magic overall in that regard. Not trying to compare their careers by any stretch. Jwill actually had very pedestrian stats. Maybe you need to watch this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl_RqlpICgs

[oldgoldy97]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=prvjNFHSOj0

Not far apart in passing skill.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=prvjNFHSOj0

Not far apart in passing skill.

Maybe but then there's the relatability. I can relate to a 6'0 white dude, I am a 6'0 white dude.