Vince Carter >>> T Mac?

[WaveDaFlag]

From my limited experience card shopping, it seems like there is more interest in Carter cards than Mcgrady. Is that correct? Is T Mac historically undervalued in the hobby?

[jcardstore]

For a second I thought this was a basketball thread and I was about to be triggered.

[mc1]

Short answer, yes.

[bloodwings19]

Speaking as a Rockets fan, TMac is not-well liked in Houston. We remembered him going to the Spurs trying to win a ring. The same guy who said anyone can win a ring.

[WaveDaFlag]

Originally Posted by bloodwings19

Speaking as a Rockets fan, TMac is not-well liked in Houston. We remembered him going to the Spurs trying to win a ring. The same guy who said anyone can win a ring.

Lol, you should ask an old Raptors fan how they all looked at Vince. That didn't end well at all, so ugly. I guess his rep as one of the greatest dunkers pushes up his interest over guys who were greater than him. I only have a few of his cards, dollar bin stuff but I always stop to look when I see Vince.

[ninjacookies]

Same reason why JWill high end outsells many of his HOF counterparts.

Refer to sig.

Style and flair over aythang.

[Kobefan]

T-mac was a better player at his prime, but his prime years were so short and was constantly dealing with injuries, so he's not more popular than Vince, who happens to be the best dunker.

[byronscott4ever]

Vince stayed around longer but McGrady had many more All NBA teams…McGrady losing all those first round series reduced his luster

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Same reason why JWill high end outsells many of his HOF counterparts.

Refer to sig.

Style and flair over aythang.

Yep. A couple of years ago I found an extremely rare Baron Davis card from my collection as a kid. The only comp I could find was the Jason Williams. I made a thread on here asking about how their values compared and was absolutely eviscerated with people saying Davis is not even in the same ballpark as Williams even though Davis was a much better player who could make some jaw dropping plays himself. Hell Jamaal Tinsley was just as good as Jason Williams and his cards are in the dollar bin. He was also a Rucker Park legend who probably had better handles than Williams too.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Yep. A couple of years ago I found an extremely rare Baron Davis card from my collection as a kid. The only comp I could find was the Jason Williams. I made a thread on here asking about how their values compared and was absolutely eviscerated with people saying Davis is not even in the same ballpark as Williams even though Davis was a much better player who could make some jaw dropping plays himself. Hell Jamaal Tinsley was just as good as Jason Williams and his cards are in the dollar bin. He was also a Rucker Park legend who probably had better handles than Williams too.

Oh yeah, for sure. The hobby is very much a popularity contest. If you're not a fun player to actually watch, odds are prices will reflect that. Regardless how good you are/were on a stat sheet or advanced metrics report.

[Dame]

I’ve always thought Tmac had more flair and was more aesthetic than Vince, McGrady was significantly a better player too at his peak. Tmac had historic talent and touched on that potential during 2002-03. VC never reached that level.



VC has always been the better dunker but give me Tmac’s offensive repertoire. His mid air adjustments, hang time and explosiveness was so beautiful to watch.

https://youtu.be/ReKWdgAROLw

[majestik101]

T-Mac had the better sneaker commercials. I remember when this ad came out it blew my mind. It was pretty revolutionary in 2004...

[Grizzkid12]

Wooow. This is crazy.

I randomly had this exact thought today too after I pulled one card of each of theirs from a Mosaic Box. I believe I heard back in the day that they were cousins if I'm not mistaken.

VC was placed on a bigger pedestal while playing and I remember there was a year or two there where people (mostly the media) made it seem like he could be the next MJ-lite. As good as TMac was he was never at that level.

Also VC stuck around for way longer which helps in terms of more people knowing him and his counting stats as well

[tedwilliamsfan]

I remember Half Man/Half Amazing and Vinsanity too well.
I have to go with Vince carter:

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[PatronVoyager]

As a 9 year old spurs fan in 2004, seeing tmac drop 13 points in 33 seconds on live tv made me a lifelong fan. Wish he could've stayed healthy, his hang time in his jump shot was so aesthetically pleasing.

[jzx1103]

It has to do with Vince Carter's style and flash during his younger playing days. Tmac put up great numbers during his career but there wasn't anything memorable about his career. (Except maybe the 13 pts in 33 sec, but only rocket fans even care about that). Heck that Dunk contest alone for Carter was more memorable then anything Tmac did. The only Tmac cards I see that sells good are ones that pairs him up with Yao Ming (the asian collectors snatches those up). And yes Jason Williams prices are higher than many HOFers for the same reason, its not all about career achievements. Some players just have more fans for other reasons (also look at Jeremy Lin prices, much higher than your average NBA player).

[smalltown]

At Vince's peak he was the most popular player on the planet. He was the "Next One" - of course we all know how that turned out. It may have only lasted for a relative blink of an eye, but it happened. There are many collecting today that came of age during that moment.

Originally Posted by WaveDaFlag

Lol, you should ask an old Raptors fan how they all looked at Vince. That didn't end well at all.

They're over it for the most part. It was what it was and people are now just embracing what he did for Basketball popularity in Toronto and Canada which is undeniable.

Among Canadian collectors Vince has seen a spike in popularity as newer collectors enter the hobby and look for cards that remind them of their youth.

[messier2]

Vince Carter a future HOFer?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by messier2

Vince Carter a future HOFer?

Without a doubt.

[lietuvalabas]

Super partial to jwill as he's my favorite player. But the flash aside and I mean my lawd...the flashiness was second to maybe pistol Pete. I think a big part is relatability. Williams is an average height, average build white dude. Look at the demographics of most people in the hobby. He made playing nba basketball look/feel realistic to many of us. I met the dude, he had to be about my height. Just thinking out loud

[messier2]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

Super partial to jwill as he's my favorite player. But the flash aside and I mean my lawd...the flashiness was second to maybe pistol Pete. I think a big part is relatability. Williams is an average height, average build white dude. Look at the demographics of most people in the hobby. He made playing nba basketball look/feel realistic to many of us. I met the dude, he had to be about my height. Just thinking out loud

I think this is the same with AI. A guy barely 6 foot and winning 4 scoring titles and one MVP. LOTS of fans based on him being relatable (at least height-wise).

[messier2]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Without a doubt.

Yet, his PSA 10 RC's are still pretty decently priced!

[Uncbuddha]

Besides Jordan he is the most expensive Tar Heel to collect. Probably around 5th best pro Heel. Jordan, worthy, bob mcadoo, and billy Cunningham all made the 75th anniversary team and Vince did not. He’s in the running for 5th with folks like Perkins, Jamison, Sheed, Stack, brad duagherty. I would say he’s tops on that list so likely 5th best pro Heel.

[WaveDaFlag]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Yep. A couple of years ago I found an extremely rare Baron Davis card from my collection as a kid. The only comp I could find was the Jason Williams. I made a thread on here asking about how their values compared and was absolutely eviscerated with people saying Davis is not even in the same ballpark as Williams even though Davis was a much better player who could make some jaw dropping plays himself. Hell Jamaal Tinsley was just as good as Jason Williams and his cards are in the dollar bin. He was also a Rucker Park legend who probably had better handles than Williams too.

Being white and playing with all that pizzazz was a huge part of it. White Chocolate lives on! He is also an NBA champion. Baron Davis was so much better than him though and a true star player. Also he was part of that historic Warriors team, UCLA glory, he also helped keep the Hornets relevant. If it's true that Jason Williams cards carry more value than Baron Davis that's definitely interesting. Baron continues to be active in production and off the court businesses.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Oh yeah, for sure. The hobby is very much a popularity contest. If you're not a fun player to actually watch, odds are prices will reflect that. Regardless how good you are/were on a stat sheet or advanced metrics report.

Or winning rings for that matter. Duncan is basically disrespected by the hobby relative to what he won. Even when an era-adjusted ranking probably puts him in the top 5 all time, as I suggest in the Curry hobby-hype/love thread.

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