Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[lseecon]

Why all the hate for BBCE. The pitchfork crowd comes out. Its usually all the small time collectors leading the charge.

Same haters for every type of authenticating service.

Experts make mistakes. fake and altered cards get slabbed, experts get fooled.
fake autographs get authenticated by experts all the time.


He made a mistake and owned up to it. I am sure it wont be the last time he authenticates a fake box or pack. Its inevitable. Its not fraudulent, its a mistake.

Some small percentage of bbce authenticated wax is bound to be tampered or sealed with. Hes not a scammer or shyster. Hes an experienced expert in unopened wax who isnt perfect.


Just like trimmed and altered cards get by the experts at PSA.


Hes responding just as you would want an expert to respond. By learning from this mistake and trying to make sure there is a lesser chance of it happening again.

Sure BBCE may lose some customers and confidence in the short term, but the majority of the long term unopened collectors and investors know and trust Steve.
They have opened plenty of legit BBCE boxes and packs. But sure hes made mistakes before and owned up to them and it will happen again.


Wax authenticated by BBCE will still hold a significant premium over non authenticated wax.

I certainly will continue to have no hesitation in buying BBCE authenticated unopened. I certainly dont buy BBCE authenticated wax thinking this is 100% untampered with. I buy with the assurance that it most likely is untampered with, but you would have to be either stupid or dumb to think any expert is always 100% correct.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Do you know how long they've been in business and what they've authenticated?

I know they recently authenticated a $3.5 million Pokémon case.

[SupermanBrandon]

"we all got duped"...really though? Meelypoptart and Cardkaloser knew what they had (or didnt). They talked ole Steve into an "authentication". Because of him, Shyne and LP got duped. The rest of the parties involved were only thinking about money, clout, private jets, poppin bottles and hanging w/ celebrities.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Do you know how long they've been in business and what they've authenticated?

He and his BODA friends are the best. They know it all.

I'm telling yah, billions are waiting for BODA-SA

[pip]

Originally Posted by lseecon

Why all the hate for BBCE. The pitchfork crowd comes out. Its usually all the small time collectors leading the charge.Same haters for every type of authenticating service.Experts make mistakes. fake and altered cards get slabbed, experts get fooled.fake autographs get authenticated by experts all the time.He made a mistake and owned up to it. I am sure it wont be the last time he authenticates a fake box or pack. Its inevitable. Its not fraudulent, its a mistake. Some small percentage of bbce authenticated wax is bound to be tampered or sealed with. Hes not a scammer or shyster. Hes an experienced expert in unopened wax who isnt perfect. Just like trimmed and altered cards get by the experts at PSA.Hes responding just as you would want an expert to respond. By learning from this mistake and trying to make sure there is a lesser chance of it happening again. Sure BBCE may lose some customers and confidence in the short term, but the majority of the long term unopened collectors and investors know and trust Steve. They have opened plenty of legit BBCE boxes and packs. But sure hes made mistakes before and owned up to them and it will happen again. Wax authenticated by BBCE will still hold a significant premium over non authenticated wax. I certainly will continue to have no hesitation in buying BBCE authenticated unopened. I certainly dont buy BBCE authenticated wax thinking this is 100% untampered with. I buy with the assurance that it most likely is untampered with, but you would have to be either stupid or dumb to think any expert is always 100% correct.

Fixed it for you.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by lseecon

Why all the hate for BBCE. The pitchfork crowd comes out. Its usually all the small time collectors leading the charge.

Same haters for every type of authenticating service.

Experts make mistakes. fake and altered cards get slabbed, experts get fooled.
fake autographs get authenticated by experts all the time.


He made a mistake and owned up to it. I am sure it wont be the last time he authenticates a fake box or pack. Its inevitable. Its not fraudulent, its a mistake.

Some small percentage of bbce authenticated wax is bound to be tampered or sealed with. Hes not a scammer or shyster. Hes an experienced expert in unopened wax who isnt perfect.


Just like trimmed and altered cards get by the experts at PSA.


Hes responding just as you would want an expert to respond. By learning from this mistake and trying to make sure there is a lesser chance of it happening again.

Sure BBCE may lose some customers and confidence in the short term, but the majority of the long term unopened collectors and investors know and trust Steve.
They have opened plenty of legit BBCE boxes and packs. But sure hes made mistakes before and owned up to them and it will happen again.


Wax authenticated by BBCE will still hold a significant premium over non authenticated wax.

I certainly will continue to have no hesitation in buying BBCE authenticated unopened. I certainly dont buy BBCE authenticated wax thinking this is 100% untampered with. I buy with the assurance that it most likely is untampered with, but you would have to be either stupid or dumb to think any expert is always 100% correct.

Most expensive item he’s ever authenticated, and all he did was look at the tape and a sticker that someone had put some pressure on to make it look aged. And it fooled him! He’s no expert in TCG. Guy said so himself in 2020, even though he’s been authenticating TCG for PSA for God knows how long.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by lseecon

Why all the hate for BBCE.

Because he had ZERO business "authenticating" it. He did it solely for clout. He did it for the notoriety. He did it for all the wrong reasons! So what else has he done? What favors has he done? What other things has he looked past for a friend or for a big authentication? You have to now question his entire operation & his judgement.

[StateEx]

Originally Posted by mc1

From another thread.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=172751

Thanks for posting this... part of the story I hadn't seen before. I wonder how many scammers looked at that thread (which dates back years), looked at PSA/BBCE and exploited the system?

[Dusty1985]

Psa and bbce are trash.
Change my mind

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

People will have more faith in boxes. Doubt it with cases after seeing Steve’s methodology.

Just as easy to reseal a box with garbage packs as it is a case.

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

This is a great point, provenance has always been important. More so now than ever with sealed cases after this Pokemon issue. Bottom line, there are people out there going all out to manufacture aged factory cases.

Always desirable, frequently unavailable unless you're dealing with the original owner. For instance, how would you obtain the provenance for an older box or case from Blowout unless there's only one?

Originally Posted by Yankees2020

I would NEVER buy a box or case "authenticated" by BBCE, or any other company for that matter. It is what it is... we must do our due diligence. For us in the hobby for nearly 3 decades, we don't need their opinion.

The need for due diligence is so obvious. Unfortunately the hobby needed a smack upside the head in the form of a $3.5 mil fake to start realizing this.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Dusty1985

Psa and bbce are trash.
Change my mind

[ReggieBush22]

Never trusted BBCE. Not when their Ebay store had packs of stars on the front sold separately along with sealed boxes. But this is just next level screw up.

[majestik101]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40340936478...sAAOSw8eZh4OFR

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by majestik101

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40340936478...sAAOSw8eZh4OFR

These are going to take off, and I'm being serious. At least short term.

[Timsterino]

Originally Posted by lseecon

Why all the hate for BBCE. The pitchfork crowd comes out. Its usually all the small time collectors leading the charge.

Same haters for every type of authenticating service.

Experts make mistakes. fake and altered cards get slabbed, experts get fooled.
fake autographs get authenticated by experts all the time.


He made a mistake and owned up to it. I am sure it wont be the last time he authenticates a fake box or pack. Its inevitable. Its not fraudulent, its a mistake.

Some small percentage of bbce authenticated wax is bound to be tampered or sealed with. Hes not a scammer or shyster. Hes an experienced expert in unopened wax who isnt perfect.


Just like trimmed and altered cards get by the experts at PSA.


Hes responding just as you would want an expert to respond. By learning from this mistake and trying to make sure there is a lesser chance of it happening again.

Sure BBCE may lose some customers and confidence in the short term, but the majority of the long term unopened collectors and investors know and trust Steve.
They have opened plenty of legit BBCE boxes and packs. But sure hes made mistakes before and owned up to them and it will happen again.


Wax authenticated by BBCE will still hold a significant premium over non authenticated wax.

I certainly will continue to have no hesitation in buying BBCE authenticated unopened. I certainly dont buy BBCE authenticated wax thinking this is 100% untampered with. I buy with the assurance that it most likely is untampered with, but you would have to be either stupid or dumb to think any expert is always 100% correct.

This goes way beyond a “mistake.” It literally took a Pokemon blogger little time to do some research and figure out that the case was fake.

BBCE charges for their expertise and their reputation is what you pay for along with it. They clearly didn’t do their due diligence in this case. I for one no longer trust them and that won’t change.

They are done.

[cruiserdaddy7]

It's no wonder BBCE offers ZERO guarantee behind their authenticity. What a useless service. I hadn't seen all the info about the fake cello packs Steve authenticated. Lord only knows how many mistakes he has made over the years. I'd be concerned if I held bbce wrapped items.

[thewesdub]

I realize BBCE is going to take the biggest hit here, followed by Meelypops (and they deserve it) but am I the only one that thinks CardKahuna is the real crook in this entire situation? IIRC he's the one that roped in MeelyPops who in turn got BBCE to auth the case. Kahuna is also the guy that had the backstory on the whole thing and kept changing it up.

What a total s-show.

[ThoseBackPages]

why did it take five days to edit an eight minute video?

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by lseecon

Why all the hate for BBCE. The pitchfork crowd comes out. Its usually all the small time collectors leading the charge.

Same haters for every type of authenticating service.

Experts make mistakes. fake and altered cards get slabbed, experts get fooled.
fake autographs get authenticated by experts all the time.


He made a mistake and owned up to it. I am sure it wont be the last time he authenticates a fake box or pack. Its inevitable. Its not fraudulent, its a mistake.

Some small percentage of bbce authenticated wax is bound to be tampered or sealed with. Hes not a scammer or shyster. Hes an experienced expert in unopened wax who isnt perfect.


Just like trimmed and altered cards get by the experts at PSA.


Hes responding just as you would want an expert to respond. By learning from this mistake and trying to make sure there is a lesser chance of it happening again.

Sure BBCE may lose some customers and confidence in the short term, but the majority of the long term unopened collectors and investors know and trust Steve.
They have opened plenty of legit BBCE boxes and packs. But sure hes made mistakes before and owned up to them and it will happen again.


Wax authenticated by BBCE will still hold a significant premium over non authenticated wax.

I certainly will continue to have no hesitation in buying BBCE authenticated unopened. I certainly dont buy BBCE authenticated wax thinking this is 100% untampered with. I buy with the assurance that it most likely is untampered with, but you would have to be either stupid or dumb to think any expert is always 100% correct.

These threads never fail to deliver. Expert use and timing of "pitchfork crowd"

Looking forward to the next one!

[mossoholic]

delete

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

It's no wonder BBCE offers ZERO guarantee behind their authenticity. What a useless service. I hadn't seen all the info about the fake cello packs Steve authenticated. Lord only knows how many mistakes he has made over the years. I'd be concerned if I held bbce wrapped items.

This is the pertinent piece.

They don’t guarantee anything they do. This is why other TPGs don’t compare to PSA, who has a plethora of “mistakes”. They’ll make you whole.

I doubt this is the moment the hobby jumps the shark, but sealed wax? I’m not so sure…

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

When the BBCE guy says, "We all got duped", he's lucky Logan Paul has so much to lose. If that were me and I lost $3.5 million, the 2 other sellers and the BBCE guy all made their money and he said that to me I would have knocked him out.

How can Logan Paul not get his money back? This was ended up being obvious and clearly documented fraud.

He got his money back instantly. Try and keep up.

Logan is the only one that had zero to lose. Shyne wasn’t going to stiff him and if it was real, the case would’ve been worth even more. No lose situation for Logan and now he’s make money off of the press and video views!


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[Neal]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Because he had ZERO business "authenticating" it. He did it solely for clout. He did it for the notoriety. He did it for all the wrong reasons! So what else has he done? What favors has he done? What other things has he looked past for a friend or for a big authentication? You have to now question his entire operation & his judgement.

As much as I respect the opinion of those who respect Steve, I completely agree.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by thewesdub

I realize BBCE is going to take the biggest hit here, followed by Meelypops (and they deserve it) but am I the only one that thinks CardKahuna is the real crook in this entire situation? IIRC he's the one that roped in MeelyPops who in turn got BBCE to auth the case. Kahuna is also the guy that had the backstory on the whole thing and kept changing it up.

What a total s-show.

Originally Posted by lseecon

I certainly will continue to have no hesitation in buying BBCE authenticated unopened. I certainly dont buy BBCE authenticated wax thinking this is 100% untampered with. I buy with the assurance that it most likely is untampered with, but you would have to be either stupid or dumb to think any expert is always 100% correct.

Since you never made it back to the Kobe Investment thread, I wanted to give you an update.
Theres a total of 27k graded Kobe 1996 Topps RCs. About 3600 Gem Mints. Hope you sold at peak!

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This is the pertinent piece.

They don’t guarantee anything they do. This is why other TPGs don’t compare to PSA, who has a plethora of “mistakes”. They’ll make you whole.

I doubt this is the moment the hobby jumps the shark, but sealed wax? I’m not so sure…

No need to throw the baby out with the bath water. If you know what you're doing, you shouldn't have any problem finding authentic wax.

As for wax authentication, the lesson isn't to build a better BBCE. Be your own expert. BBCE's limited services were never comparable to PSA anyways.