Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Fair enough, didn't know the other case was opened. How many other legitimate cases from the era are there? I was under the impression this was one of just two the way everyone was only comparing it to one other case.

I'll freely admit I'm not immersing myself in this fiasco. When I see things like 20 year old labels being sliiightly off and we don't have a handful of other examples to compare it to and that's what we're lighting the torches over I tend to just shake my head and go to the next thread.

You know how many people I've read say that it's impossible to authenticate a sealed case and the only way to be sure is to open the case and inspect the boxes? I'm sorry but those people shouldn't be participating in the conversation.

Arthur

Right - but again, this is just a matter of you not caring enough to actually look into it a little bit, or else you'd understand, for instance, that there ARE plenty of cases from that era to compare against (they're cases of other Pokemon hobby boxes, not necessarily "first edition" boxes, but they used the same boxes and style of labels across products). And the label "being sliiightly off" is really how you would choose to describe it being an entirely different type of paper/printing method? What, they just happened to print this one on an ink printer, when for ALL the other ones we've seen they used thermal printers? Also, they somehow just accidentally managed to print a barcode that doesn't actually encode the product ID that it purports to encode? Yeah, "sliiiightly off," sure.

In any event, you didn't just "shake [your] head and go to the next thread." Instead you decided to step in and start arguing that people were overreacting to evidence that you admit (and demonstrate!) that you haven't even examined.

Sounds a bit like someone "authenticating" a case that they barely examined and didn't have any business authenticating, now that I think about it...

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I'll freely admit I'm not immersing myself in this fiasco.

We can tell. Best to just not comment then. You’re making yourself look foolish here.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Agree to disagree. That's weird that you got a tone of anger from my post. I'm not sure who or what you think I'm angry with. Just thought I would drop a post from a different POV but I'm not interested enough to carry this much further.

BODA/mob mentality/ignorant/fanning flames/brush fire... sure, not angry just everyone else

Anyway, thanks for a perfect non-response.

[HarryLime]

I've read all about the case, just not here on Blowout where anger is a currency.

Who examined the label to determine what kind of printer was used? Because that sounds like some serious "talking out of my arse" CSI stuff right there. Did they use a different type of cardboard, too?

The case may be faker than a Time's Square Rolex but I'm still only seeing circumstantial evidence from unqualified people who haven't examined the case in person.

Arthur

And no points for a Kingpin reference? I thought I was supposed to be the angry one here.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I'm not interested enough to carry this much further.

Oldest trick in the internet message board book. Run away from the thread once you realize you've backed yourself into a ditch and are getting buried alive by everyone else.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I've read all about the case, just not here on Blowout where anger is a currency.

Who examined the label to determine what kind of printer was used? Because that sounds like some serious "talking out of my arse" CSI stuff right there. Did they use a different type of cardboard, too?

The case may be faker than a Time's Square Rolex but I'm still only seeing circumstantial evidence from unqualified people who haven't examined the case in person.

Arthur

And no points for a Kingpin reference? I thought I was supposed to be the angry one here.

Every post you make yourself look worse and worse. But keep going!

[SupermanBrandon]

Oh Harry...just walk away.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Every post you make yourself look worse and worse. But keep going!

Gimme a few minutes. I'm trying to think of something angry to say.

Arthur

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Gimme a few minutes. I'm trying to think of something angry to say.

Arthur

I don't think you're angry at all. Just uninformed because you haven't been bothered to follow along. Yet you've taken this weird stance of superiority to the rest of us who have, and think you can write everyone off by throwing the word "mob" out there.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes Arthur.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I don't think you're angry at all. Just uninformed because you haven't been bothered to follow along. Yet you've taken this weird stance of superiority to the rest of us who have, and think you can write everyone off by throwing the word "mob" out there.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes Arthur.

I'm assuming you've been following and consuming content about this issue from multiple other sources, aside from Blowout. Right or wrong, if you can't take a step back and, in its totality, see the mob mentality that has taken shape over this, I don't know what I can say that would allow you to see it.

You may not be a part of it but it absolutely exists and is firing on all cylinders.

Arthur

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I'm assuming you've been following and consuming content about this issue from multiple other sources, aside from Blowout. Right or wrong, if you can't take a step back and, in its totality, see the mob mentality that has taken shape over this, I don't know what I can say that would allow you to see it.

You may not be a part of it but it absolutely exists and is firing on all cylinders.

Arthur

Quit the straw man.

[jw8]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I want to make something clear before I get into answering any questions or providing any opinions: my purpose in this thread is not to defend Steve or to say that the case is 100% legit. I simply instinctively react oppositional when mob mentality takes over and everyone stops examining things objectively and starts piling on and the issue turns into a brush fire.

And that's absolutely what we have here now. I'm reading a lot of angry posts by people that are saying ignorant things or just simply fanning flames.



I think recently is a stretch. I'm reading that the quote in question came from mid-2020. I don't understand why, especially with his knowledge from PSA that Pokemon is white hot, he wouldn't spend some time in the next 18 months doing research and examining other Pokemon cases (or just doing whatever) to increase his knowledge in that area. Also, authenticating a case and a wax box are two different animals.



There's no way I can authenticate something like a case without having seen it in person. Steve isn't culpable because everything is circumstantial. Barcode is different? Tape is different? It's 1999. Have you ever worked in production or assembly? You use whatever materials you happen to have that day.

As far as I understand it, there's only one other unopened FASC of these that we know about. Why is the presumption that the first case is good but the second isn't?

I think people love drama and they love internet drama more than anything. They're anonymous on the internet so they can say anything they want without any concern for repercussion. People WANT this case to be fake. Just another stupid attention-grabbing move by that stupid Logan Paul.

I'm not infallible. I've made my share of mistakes (just ask pip, he'll tell you) but I believe if you go back to the beginning of this and look at it all through the eyes that the seller was both inexperienced and didn't know what they had, there's a plausible explanation for everything.

I just think a lot of people don't want to hear it because it's fun to play BODA and "catch" someone and then publicly tear their whole person apart online.

Arthur

Why are we still saying "if" the case isn't authentic, it's already been confirmed.

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[ThoseBackPages]

where is the video?

[rebbrooks]

Originally Posted by jw8

Why are we still saying "if" the case isn't authentic, it's already been confirmed.

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Where?

[SupermanBrandon]

So should this "mob" just ignore those that are seeking clout & fame by filming themselves, pumping their chests, telling people how great they are and how much money they are making while showing themselves flying on private jets? They are asking for attention. So we can't give them attention, when it doesn't go in their favor? They're just getting what they are asking for, right? Don't like it...don't publicize your life for money.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by pip

It's called being heavily BBCE-invested.

I have one (1) $700 box and two (2) $100 wax packs authenticated by BBCE. I open most of my crap. Is $900 heavily invested?

[blackbears86]

calling out to all BO members who think you have fake BBCE wrapped boxes from 1975-1985:


PLEASE: sell them to me for 50% of ebay comps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I don't think you're angry at all. Just uninformed because you haven't been bothered to follow along. Yet you've taken this weird stance of superiority to the rest of us who have, and think you can write everyone off by throwing the word "mob" out there.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes Arthur.

It what they do in every post they post in. It’s pretty well known around here

[mc1]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

calling out to all BO members who think you have fake BBCE wrapped boxes from 1975-1985:


PLEASE: sell them to me for 50% of ebay comps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice try.

You cant buy or sell sealed wax on the boards.

Youre trying to get us banned.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Every post you make yourself look worse and worse. But keep going!

That won’t stop him. He’s done this since they signed up. They love to tell everyone they are wrong yet won’t say how they are right.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by mc1

Nice try.

You cant buy or sell sealed wax on the boards.

Youre trying to get us banned.

No, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here. I'm seeing a lot of PSA defenders going after BBCE which makes me laugh.


Did Steve Hart mess up? Damn right he did. IN A BIG WAY


Is he still the best authenticator of vintage unopened wax? 100% yes.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

calling out to all BO members who think you have fake BBCE wrapped boxes from 1975-1985:


PLEASE: sell them to me for 50% of ebay comps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

False equivalence. But keep on trying.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

False equivalence. But keep on trying.

cool.

I'll keep buying unopened authenticated by him at a discount.

[jw8]

Originally Posted by rebbrooks

Where?

It was confirmed on E4 yesterday by Gary and Rattle also confirmed in his discord. The two of them chatted for an hour yesterday and agreed on the outcome.

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

cool.

I'll keep buying unopened authenticated by him at a discount.

Ok? See my first reply to this thread. You’re arguing with a wall.