Potential Lebron James Topps Chrome Rc value

[jw8]

Originally Posted by val47

LET THIS BE THE LAST TIME WE SAY IT!



BUY LEBRON!!!!!!!



not matter what card is, period

It's just so obvious yet everyone wants to create their own path and ignore the answer right in front of their face. People like to gamble and hey I could invest $2k in Kyle Guy that could be worth a million if he wins 5 rings and 2 mvps!

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[Miner30]

Sorry to bump an old thread. I am in the market for a 2003 PSA 9 or 10 Topps Chrome as a long term investment (think 20 years or if they skyrocket again at some point). I'm probably going to get serious about picking one or a few of these up at some point in 2022.

The PSA 10's have been bottoming out since a huge peak ($46k) in Feb. 2021. They are currently going for around $12k. If they drop to around $5k-$7k in 2022 I will definitely pull the trigger.

The PSA 9's are currently looking like a good play too. They peaked to around $12k in Feb. and are currently going for around $2,800. I am thinking if they drop to around $1k, I'll pick up one or two.

My question to every one is what do you think the future value of these cards is at the low end and high end. I've been reading a lot about how the PSA 10's could touch close to $100k in a best case scenario 10-20yrs from now if he breaks the scoring record and has a Jordan-type documentary come out. If I buy a PSA for $7k, do you think its a safe bet that I will at least double that long-term? I keep reading "buy the GOATs" and "this card is a safe of a bet as any". Just wanted some reassurance or other opinions before dropping almost $10k. Thanks!

[Yankees2020]

NON refractor base RC in PSA 10 future value of $700,000

[msink28]

I think the LeBron has room to grow, sure. LeBron stuff is pretty soft right now.

[Miner30]

Thanks for the responses. In your opinion, how much lower do they will get? I’ve been tracking with a spreadsheet since July and they just keep dropping. I would hate to pull the trigger too early.

I’m assuming the $700k number is sarcasm. I’m really trying to convince my wife this is a good investment. Hoping for some other opinions to help. I’m sure everyone knows how hard it can be to convince a spouse about a big purchase like this!

[Yankees2020]

Originally Posted by Miner30

Thanks for the responses. In your opinion, how much lower do they will get? I’ve been tracking with a spreadsheet since July and they just keep dropping. I would hate to pull the trigger too early.

I’m assuming the $700k number is sarcasm. I’m really trying to convince my wife this is a good investment. Hoping for some other opinions to help. I’m sure everyone knows how hard it can be to convince a spouse about a big purchase like this!

If a Jordan Fleer "RC" that was printed in the millions can get 700k+ at auctions, why can't a fairly rare Chrome Lebron RC do they same in time? No sarcasm at all. I can see it a decade or two from now.

[msink28]

I think this might be pretty close to the bottom. I doubt that Chrome PSA 10s will fall below 10K or PSA 9s below 2K. You might see more softness in the upcoming month but eventually the Lakers will make a run and the window will close.

His stuff will rise as he approaches the scoring record. Not much downside considering the pullback.

Originally Posted by Miner30

Thanks for the responses. In your opinion, how much lower do they will get? I’ve been tracking with a spreadsheet since July and they just keep dropping. I would hate to pull the trigger too early.

I’m assuming the $700k number is sarcasm. I’m really trying to convince my wife this is a good investment. Hoping for some other opinions to help. I’m sure everyone knows how hard it can be to convince a spouse about a big purchase like this!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Yankees2020

If a Jordan Fleer "RC" that was printed in the millions can get 700k+ at auctions, why can't a fairly rare Chrome Lebron RC do they same in time? No sarcasm at all. I can see it a decade or two from now.

Because one is MJ’s only RC with a PSA 10 pop of 320, and the other is one of dozens of LeBron RCs with a PSA 10 pop over 2000.

There are many better Bron RCs at that price point. Go low pop PSA 10 base or PSA 8-9 parallels.

[Yankees2020]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Because one is MJ’s only RC with a PSA 10 pop of 320, and the other is one of dozens of LeBron RCs with a PSA 10 pop over 2000.

There are many better Bron RCs at that price point. Go low pop PSA 10 base or PSA 8-9 parallels.

Good points, but I think the Topps Chrome Lebron is a pretty iconic card, and one of the better ones. More people are in the hobby to stay, well into the future, so I think the higher pops will do ok with more people wanting the newer generational player. As time goes by, in my opinion, you will have way more Lebron collectors and investors. So let's see how it goes. But Lebron will continue to go up and up, regardless of temporary downs. Even Jordan cards have gone down to peanuts. Now look at them. And we're talking all his insert cards, including the non numbered ones. Since the companies today make more brands, they make less of each. Not like in the old days when they really cranked those things out.

[ninjacookies]

MJ had like 12 years worth of quality kards and inserts (11 being mainstream as 97 really marked the first year and was sparse) as an active player, with a few of those years being in a Wiz jersey.

In contrast, Bron is already going on 18 years worth of inserts/high end, and the printers continue to go brrrrrrrrr. I'm unsure what the situation is like when he retires regarding his future card production, but I don't think the comparison is even close.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Man... another one of these threads...

Under/Over 10 threads on this card in the last two months?

Not trying to be a jerk OP, but this is the most talked about card on BO since the Steph Topps rookie and Jordan Fleer rc...

Perhaps not coincidentally, each of those saw a tremendous spike followed by a precipitous fall. The effect of the BO pump is real.

Be very careful my friends....

Whatever happened to this shady guy?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Whatever happened to this shady guy?

Adam isn’t shady. He was just too trusting. He’s a great member of the hobby.

[Middies31985]

Jordan has other "chase" cards because of the 90's insert craze. Lebron doesn't have anything like this other than maybe the Chalk Toss, Kobe Tribute Card, and Kaboom/Downtown.

Lebron's RC's will remain his chase cards throughout his hobby life. I am trying like hell to pick up PSA 9's of almost any Lebron RC that I can find outside of those lame box set cards.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Whatever happened to this shady guy?

You're on a roll today. Saying the Cavs suck and then trying to trash a really decent dude that isn't around to defend himself.

Classy.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Middies31985

Jordan has other "chase" cards because of the 90's insert craze. Lebron doesn't have anything like this other than maybe the Chalk Toss, Kobe Tribute Card, and Kaboom/Downtown.

Lebron's RC's will remain his chase cards throughout his hobby life. I am trying like hell to pick up PSA 9's of almost any Lebron RC that I can find outside of those lame box set cards.

Jordan's stuff has had an extra 20 years of retirement to appreciate.

Plenty of LeBron cards will be pumped I'm sure.

If I had the big $$$ to spend I would be going after nicer cards of LeBron than his TC but that's just me.

His Topps Contemporary for example.

The cream always rises to the top.

[jlin2563]

I say they start going up very soon, he's going to pass up malone this season and soon enough he'll pass up kareem...

[Yankees2020]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

MJ had like 12 years worth of quality kards and inserts (11 being mainstream as 97 really marked the first year and was sparse) as an active player, with a few of those years being in a Wiz jersey.

In contrast, Bron is already going on 18 years worth of inserts/high end, and the printers continue to go brrrrrrrrr. I'm unsure what the situation is like when he retires regarding his future card production, but I don't think the comparison is even close.

But almost all Lebron cards come from limited brands, unlike back in the day when cards were massively produced. Even still, Jordan inserts that are not numbered, and even base in PSA 10 still sell for outrageous prices. So I think Lebron cards will do just fine. Once he retires and people realize what we had... and that he was a generational player, we'll all miss him, and want to relive the experience. Nostalgia sells.

[cowboyzqna]

I am also really interested in trying to pick up a chrome 9... Be a case where I buy the card not the grade and look for a sharp sharp well centered 9. Maybe old label and try for a bump.


Would absolutely pay what the 10s cost today if I had the capital. That card is only going to increase in value throughout the next two decades.


So far I think I'm up to around 20 graded LeBron Rookies. (Counting those that are currently at PSA being graded)


Favorite is the Jersey # 23/ 100 Phenomenal Beginings... I know it's from a box set but a jersey # that is limited to 100? Absolutely love that one.


Some psa 10s that where going for 1200 plus have fallen to the 5 to 7 hundred dollar range and I think those are great buys. My goal is to have 100 graded LeBron RCs by the end of 2023. Obviously going to take alott of work but it's a very fun collection.



Really hoping the chrome hovers where it is at SV wise for the next few months. It's very high on the hit list.

[hauntedcomputer]

Originally Posted by Yankees2020

More people are in the hobby to stay, well into the future, so I think the higher pops will do ok with more people wanting the newer generational player. As time goes by, in my opinion, you will have way more Lebron collectors and investors. So let's see how it goes. But Lebron will continue to go up and up, regardless of temporary downs.

This is one of the most dangerous fallacies going in "card investing" right now. Truth is, you're betting on another historic boom/bubble at the point you want to sell. Yes, it could happen in 20-30 years again. I would not bet on it happening like this one--a truly once-in-a-lifetime perfect storm. I don't think there will be nostalgia for cards because they weren't a prominent part of most kids' lives--they literally weren't in their faces like they were when I was a kid, when you could always buy a pack at the gas station. I guess the question is, how many of the "new people" in the hobby are going to stay, how many more are going to enter/leave in 20 years, and how many who are in the hobby are going to want Lebrons and at what price.

I learned my lesson from the early 90s, when I was buying every Shaq rookie I could get for half of book price, a value they still haven't regained (never mind inflation or what the stock market has done since then). It was a perfectly logical and brilliant strategy--a guy shaping up to be a top 10 great who was a mainstream celebrity releasing rap albums and appearing everywhere in commercials and movies, one of the most famous people on the planet. Surely everyone would want Shaq rookies, right?

This time I'm going out with only high-grade vintage. I don't consider 2,000 copies to be rare at all, especially when there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of other choices, and there's no guarantee that any card will go "up and up," especially in inflation-adjusted terms.

Good luck but as others have said, there are literally thousands of cards I would consider better investments. Even then I wouldn't bet the retirement on it.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Because one is MJ’s only RC with a PSA 10 pop of 320, and the other is one of dozens of LeBron RCs with a PSA 10 pop over 2000.

There are many better Bron RCs at that price point. Go low pop PSA 10 base or PSA 8-9 parallels.

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

MJ had like 12 years worth of quality kards and inserts (11 being mainstream as 97 really marked the first year and was sparse) as an active player, with a few of those years being in a Wiz jersey.

In contrast, Bron is already going on 18 years worth of inserts/high end, and the printers continue to go brrrrrrrrr. I'm unsure what the situation is like when he retires regarding his future card production, but I don't think the comparison is even close.

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Jordan's stuff has had an extra 20 years of retirement to appreciate.

Plenty of LeBron cards will be pumped I'm sure.

If I had the big $$$ to spend I would be going after nicer cards of LeBron than his TC but that's just me.

His Topps Contemporary for example.

The cream always rises to the top.

Originally Posted by hauntedcomputer

This is one of the most dangerous fallacies going in "card investing" right now. Truth is, you're betting on another historic boom/bubble at the point you want to sell. Yes, it could happen in 20-30 years again. I would not bet on it happening like this one--a truly once-in-a-lifetime perfect storm. I don't think there will be nostalgia for cards because they weren't a prominent part of most kids' lives--they literally weren't in their faces like they were when I was a kid, when you could always buy a pack at the gas station. I guess the question is, how many of the "new people" in the hobby are going to stay, how many more are going to enter/leave in 20 years, and how many who are in the hobby are going to want Lebrons and at what price.

I learned my lesson from the early 90s, when I was buying every Shaq rookie I could get for half of book price, a value they still haven't regained (never mind inflation or what the stock market has done since then). It was a perfectly logical and brilliant strategy--a guy shaping up to be a top 10 great who was a mainstream celebrity releasing rap albums and appearing everywhere in commercials and movies, one of the most famous people on the planet. Surely everyone would want Shaq rookies, right?

This time I'm going out with only high-grade vintage. I don't consider 2,000 copies to be rare at all, especially when there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of other choices, and there's no guarantee that any card will go "up and up," especially in inflation-adjusted terms.

Good luck but as others have said, there are literally thousands of cards I would consider better investments. Even then I wouldn't bet the retirement on it.

Some extremely well thought out opinions.

Since nobody can predict the future, just have to play the probabilities.

What are the chances that people flock to a common bass card again in our lifetime and pay big money for one again? 1%? 2%? 5%? There's a chance, it's just not high.

You're seeing the dream still being passed. It's a bad narrative and it's being used to hand off the bag. The same way guys handed off the bag on ultra modern bass.

There is nothing Lebron can do to boost that Chrome rookie. You're literally banking on another enormous short lived hobby mania period that in all likelihood won't come. That doesn't mean that the hobby is doomed, far from it! It means stuff like common base, in any grade, is doomed.

[Hellcat]

I don’t see the value of Lebrons rookies holding in fact I see the big ticket items taking a downturn also. When you’re not the best there won’t be the desire to collect you as much as the guy(Jordan) who was/is the GOAT. Lebron benefits because he’s still playing he won’t age as well as MJ has because of the aforementioned points. I say sell as soon as he hits the all-time points record it’s only going down from there.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

I don’t see the value of Lebrons rookies holding in fact I see the big ticket items taking a downturn also. When you’re not the best there won’t be the desire to collect you as much as the guy(Jordan) who was/is the GOAT. Lebron benefits because he’s still playing he won’t age as well as MJ has because of the aforementioned points. I say sell as soon as he hits the all-time points record it’s only going down from there.

Even Jordan Rookies have dropped significantly in value from their peaks. PSA 9s are at 25k or so. Werent those much higher? Whens the PSA 10 going to hit 1 million?!

[Miner30]

I really appreciate all of the responses and discussion. A couple more questions (and I think I know the answer) but what about going after a BGS 9.5 right now? They are selling right around $4k. Does anyone know what they were selling for at the peak in early 2021?

[k13]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Some extremely well thought out opinions.

Since nobody can predict the future, just have to play the probabilities.

What are the chances that people flock to a common bass card again in our lifetime and pay big money for one again? 1%? 2%? 5%? There's a chance, it's just not high.

You're seeing the dream still being passed. It's a bad narrative and it's being used to hand off the bag. The same way guys handed off the bag on ultra modern bass.

There is nothing Lebron can do to boost that Chrome rookie. You're literally banking on another enormous short lived hobby mania period that in all likelihood won't come. That doesn't mean that the hobby is doomed, far from it! It means stuff like common base, in any grade, is doomed.

Don't forget vintage is junk base but somehow that bag is ok to hand off. Vintage is not rare. Even a 52 mantle has around 1500 psa graded.

Maybe of basketball one day gets some collectors then the price can stay or go up.

As soon as prices go up everyone is rushing to ebay to sell right...

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by k13

Don't forget vintage is junk base but somehow that bag is ok to hand off. Vintage is not rare. Even a 52 mantle has around 1500 psa graded.

Maybe of basketball one day gets some collectors then the price can stay or go up.

As soon as prices go up everyone is rushing to ebay to sell right...

True but vintage actually has guys who collect to collect. Baseball is a different collecting segment too. Those guys take cards to the grave.

Basketball guys, not so much.

Mantles go up and up and up, but they don't sell as much compared to the basketball counterparts that also appreciate.