First Buzz: 2021 Topps Star Wars Stellar Signatures - Page 13

fabiani12333 · 12-25-2021, 06:45 PM

I dont think you can really compare Ford to Portman. Ford was in the OT and played an iconic character in Han. His character is enduring, similar Leia. Portman was in the crummy prequels. Many fans wanted to forget the prequel trilogy.

There are star wars trading card collectors who are completionists and will want every actor's autograph card. But I dont see this as a good investment.

AngusMacGyver · 12-25-2021, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I dont think you can really compare Ford to Portman. Ford was in the OT and played an iconic character in Han. His character is enduring, similar Leia. Portman was in the crummy prequels. Many fans wanted to forget the prequel trilogy.

There are star wars trading card collectors who are completionists and will want every actor's autograph card. But I dont see this as a good investment.

I agree with almost all of this, except for implying a Portman as Padme autograph is some completionist's goal. This is an A-list actor and a very important character to the Star Wars story...even if the movies for that story were kind of bad. I would absolutely sell a Portman Stellar card for 4k now though, even if she pulls a Samuel L. Jackson and bails after one session the price should come down. Or am I wrong on that?? Jackson came down a bunch at first but I hanen't followed any recent sales to know if they're up more that anything else post covid-boom??

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ForceChange77 · 12-25-2021, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusMacGyver

I agree with almost all of this, except for implying a Portman as Padme autograph is some completionist's goal. This is an A-list actor and a very important character to the Star Wars story...even if the movies for that story were kind of bad. I would absolutely sell a Portman Stellar card for 4k now though, even if she pulls a Samuel L. Jackson and bails after one session the price should come down. Or am I wrong on that?? Jackson came down a bunch at first but I hanen't followed any recent sales to know if they're up more that anything else post covid-boom??

Well she almost always refused to sign Star Wars stuff in the past, but obviously she has signed a ton with her books, the send in etc. question is if she signs again now. Once they break the seal, they tend to sign because it’s easy money but I dunno. Jackson signs periodically every couple years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a big sign in sponson again

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Vargaman · 12-25-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I dont think you can really compare Ford to Portman. Ford was in the OT and played an iconic character in Han. His character is enduring, similar Leia. Portman was in the crummy prequels. Many fans wanted to forget the prequel trilogy.

There are star wars trading card collectors who are completionists and will want every actor's autograph card. But I dont see this as a good investment.

You’re highly unaware of a huge surge of prequel love online from memes and kids when they came out who are adults now.

Portman was a bucket list signer for many and a major (top 3) player in the prequels.

Now that said as an investment? Probably not considering it’s her first name only and poor card design. Then again if she never signs Topps again look at like Frank Oz who is over $1k now!

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kyle1707 · 12-25-2021, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vargaman

You’re highly unaware of a huge surge of prequel love online from memes and kids when they came out who are adults now.

Portman was a bucket list signer for many and a major (top 3) player in the prequels.

Now that said as an investment? Probably not considering it’s her first name only and poor card design. Then again if she never signs Topps again look at like Frank Oz who is over $1k now!

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The dialogue was bad and lots of the movie looked like a bad video game

But I loved the prequels since the beginning.. the last prequel movie ? can’t even think of name …. That’s one of my favorite Star Wars movies ..

The characters we got were amazing imo

Portman is also A list actor like Ford.. which adds value

With her stardom and rarity. These prices are not coming down that much

If the book autos are so inexpensive. Buying one of those seems like a plan B

Jaysabz · 12-26-2021, 01:22 PM

I concur.. A-list actress...
Corny dialogue not her fault...
Big get for the prequels back in 1999...
Never signed for Star Wars...

That being said, I question the picture used for her first signature card.

I think a better picture and a full name signature on the card could have made the price on the open market even higher!

eldavojohn · 12-26-2021, 05:22 PM

Some of the higher sales yesterday and today on ebay:

two portmans went for $3200 each
a sealed case went for $12k
Rosario as Ahsoka go for $900-$1050
two quads went for $400 each so that seems to be the going rate (and they are hard signed!?)
1/1 taika went for $1k
1/1 Kelleyman went for $350
A set of reproductions went for $750 (though that seller had two available)

That's the most notable stuff. Two portmans at auction with plenty of time left (6d & 8d) are already $2k+ and a third one ends in 4 hours at 2400 https://www.ebay.com/itm/23434921731...cAAOSwUc1hxPOV So those $3,200 BIN/BO sales don't seem to be outside the realm of reality.

oldgoldy97 · 12-26-2021, 05:43 PM

Are the Bakers really fakes?

eldavojohn · 12-26-2021, 05:45 PM

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Are the Bakers really fakes?

They look good to me, where do you see they're fakes? They're from the same sticker book topps has been using for every release since like Galaxy 5 I'm sure.

Littlemaisie · 12-26-2021, 05:58 PM

In my opinion, the Bakers dont match up, if you look at an Evolution Baker auto card to a Stellar Baker auto card...

eldavojohn · 12-26-2021, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Littlemaisie

In my opinion, the Bakers dont match up, if you look at an Evolution Baker auto card to a Stellar Baker auto card...

Interesting! Well, I'm not a Kenny Baker expert. Here are the two examples I found publicly on ebay of these two signatures:

The one consideration is that one is on a cramped sticker with a thicker pen. I don't really see anything worrisome between these. But here they are for people to decide.

Vargaman · 12-26-2021, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Interesting! Well, I'm not a Kenny Baker expert. Here are the two examples I found publicly on ebay of these two signatures:

The one consideration is that one is on a cramped sticker with a thicker pen. I don't really see anything worrisome between these. But here they are for people to decide.

The Y and B are distinctly different

Theory is last sticker sheets were secretarial or family signed which is why they’re close, but not his.

Steve Grad commented they’re fake in the SW groups but publicly won’t comment.

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nabzy28 · 12-26-2021, 06:41 PM

This is a late 90's or early 00's example, obtained via the Star Wars fan club and has been PSA authenticated, on an 8x10. I can't speak one way or another on the sticker autos in question but I sure wouldn't pick one up if I wanted a Baker autograph when there's plenty of other, earlier, options with far less doubt about authenticity.

eldavojohn · 12-26-2021, 06:44 PM

More examples from prior sets on ebay:

2019 Stellar (source):

2018 Stellar (source):

2017 Stellar (source):

2013 Jedi Legacy (source):

Galaxy 5 from ebay sales:

nabzy28 · 12-26-2021, 06:49 PM

Yeah, looking at the progression of those, over the years, those newer ones don't seem legit to me. Your signature doesn't get MORE fluid when you struggle to write.

Littlemaisie · 12-26-2021, 06:52 PM

There is clear variation of letter formation in these stickers...

In my opinion, the Stellar stickers do not match up...

eldavojohn · 12-26-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nabzy28

Yeah, looking at the progression of those, over the years, those newer ones don't seem legit to me. Your signature doesn't get MORE fluid when you struggle to write.

The problem with this assumption is that stickers are recent. I would imagine that Topps bought a big book of stickers early on sometime around Galactic Files (2011ish) and has been using stickers at random. I would bet that when they are releasing a high end product, they go through the book and find the best autos that aren't clipped. Otherwise in high tek & interyear sets, you see the scraggly autos and clipped autos. That's my assumption.

I wouldn't put it past topps to risk their reputation on this but it's a $100 autograph. Why even insert it if there's doubt?

nabzy28 · 12-26-2021, 06:57 PM

Even if they aren't recent, there's way too many red flags on letter formation, spacing, the tails that start the K and B, tail on the y, etc.

fabiani12333 · 12-26-2021, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vargaman

You’re highly unaware of a huge surge of prequel love online from memes and kids when they came out who are adults now.

Portman was a bucket list signer for many and a major (top 3) player in the prequels.

Now that said as an investment? Probably not considering it’s her first name only and poor card design. Then again if she never signs Topps again look at like Frank Oz who is over $1k now!

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Well obviously there's always going to be a loyal fan base for franchises no matter how poorly they were made or received by general audiences. Traditionally these fans are referred to as a cult following.

There were a lot children who watched the prequels and a certain percentage of them became obsessed with it. But there were way more obsessed fans of the original trilogy. The original Star Wars films were a cultural event.

As a teenager, I remember babysitting a young boy who happened to resemble the actor who played young Anakin -- he had similar blonde hair and a bowl cut. I rented the Phantom of the Menace for him one night, maybe a year after the film's initial release. The boy was disinterested and bored while watching the movie. He told me afterwards that he thought it sucked. Presumably he was the target demographic for the film and he couldn't care less about it.

Mind you, I lived in the same area the prequels were made and used to live up the road from George Lucas. I remember going to theaters to see the rerelease of the original trilogy films -- the theaters were packed with kids and there was a lot of excitement and energy.

fabiani12333 · 12-26-2021, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaysabz

I concur.. A-list actress...
Corny dialogue not her fault...
Big get for the prequels back in 1999...
Never signed for Star Wars...

That being said, I question the picture used for her first signature card.

I think a better picture and a full name signature on the card could have made the price on the open market even higher!

What's wrong with the photo? She looks like an 80s action hero, posing for the camera holding a big gun and and bloody cuts on her arm and back lol

Maybe you wanted her in the queen outfit, with heavy makeup and attire resembling traditional japanese female nobility.

Madoka · 12-26-2021, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I rented the Phantom of the Menace for him one night, maybe a year after the film's initial release. The boy was disinterested and bored while watching the movie. He told me afterwards that he thought it sucked. Presumably he was the target demographic for the film and he couldn't care less about it.

What? You mean this kid wasn't entralled by all the talk of taxes, economic sanctions and galactic senate politics? Mesa shocked!

AngusMacGyver · 12-26-2021, 10:04 PM

Ford base auction ended at 1775, Portman at 4k. There's a Clarke /10 at almost 2k with an hour to go.

CYLIN · 12-26-2021, 10:58 PM

Just like before, price will go down eventually. there are 100 of each.

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Ford base auction ended at 1775, Portman at 4k. There's a Clarke /10 at almost 2k with an hour to go.

Brobocop · 12-26-2021, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CYLIN

Just like before, price will go down eventually. there are 100 of each.

Maybe but there are way more than 100 people who want this card and no way will all 100 see auction.

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PrinceVegeta · 12-27-2021, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CYLIN

Just like before, price will go down eventually. there are 100 of each.

Prices have risen on everything decent in star wars

12-26-2021, 01:22 PM	#306
Jaysabz Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Greater Philadelphia Area Posts: 4,101 jaysabz	I concur.. A-list actress... Corny dialogue not her fault... Big get for the prequels back in 1999... Never signed for Star Wars... That being said, I question the picture used for her first signature card. I think a better picture and a full name signature on the card could have made the price on the open market even higher! __________________ Love me some Comics, JRPGs, and Philadelphia Sports! Go Eagles

12-26-2021, 05:43 PM	#308
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50,783	Are the Bakers really fakes? __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

12-26-2021, 05:58 PM	#310
Littlemaisie Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 32	In my opinion, the Bakers dont match up, if you look at an Evolution Baker auto card to a Stellar Baker auto card... Last edited by Littlemaisie; 12-26-2021 at 06:03 PM.

12-26-2021, 06:41 PM	#313
nabzy28 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In a warehouse of common sense Posts: 7,264 nabzy28	This is a late 90's or early 00's example, obtained via the Star Wars fan club and has been PSA authenticated, on an 8x10. I can't speak one way or another on the sticker autos in question but I sure wouldn't pick one up if I wanted a Baker autograph when there's plenty of other, earlier, options with far less doubt about authenticity. __________________ Sent from my Danger Hiptop T-Mobile Sidekick in 2002

12-26-2021, 06:49 PM	#315
nabzy28 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In a warehouse of common sense Posts: 7,264 nabzy28	Yeah, looking at the progression of those, over the years, those newer ones don't seem legit to me. Your signature doesn't get MORE fluid when you struggle to write. __________________ Sent from my Danger Hiptop T-Mobile Sidekick in 2002

12-25-2021, 06:45 PM	#301
fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 11,967	I dont think you can really compare Ford to Portman. Ford was in the OT and played an iconic character in Han. His character is enduring, similar Leia. Portman was in the crummy prequels. Many fans wanted to forget the prequel trilogy. There are star wars trading card collectors who are completionists and will want every actor's autograph card. But I dont see this as a good investment.

12-26-2021, 05:22 PM	#307
eldavojohn Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: the MooN Posts: 7,937 el-davo	Some of the higher sales yesterday and today on ebay: two portmans went for $3200 each a sealed case went for $12k Rosario as Ahsoka go for $900-$1050 two quads went for $400 each so that seems to be the going rate (and they are hard signed!?) 1/1 taika went for $1k 1/1 Kelleyman went for $350 A set of reproductions went for $750 (though that seller had two available) That's the most notable stuff. Two portmans at auction with plenty of time left (6d & 8d) are already $2k+ and a third one ends in 4 hours at 2400 https://www.ebay.com/itm/23434921731...cAAOSwUc1hxPOV So those $3,200 BIN/BO sales don't seem to be outside the realm of reality.

12-26-2021, 06:44 PM	#314
eldavojohn Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: the MooN Posts: 7,937 el-davo	More examples from prior sets on ebay: 2019 Stellar (source): 2018 Stellar (source): 2017 Stellar (source): 2013 Jedi Legacy (source): Galaxy 5 from ebay sales:

12-26-2021, 06:52 PM	#316
Littlemaisie Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 32	There is clear variation of letter formation in these stickers... In my opinion, the Stellar stickers do not match up...

12-26-2021, 06:57 PM	#318
nabzy28 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In a warehouse of common sense Posts: 7,264 nabzy28	Even if they aren't recent, there's way too many red flags on letter formation, spacing, the tails that start the K and B, tail on the y, etc. __________________ Sent from my Danger Hiptop T-Mobile Sidekick in 2002

12-26-2021, 10:04 PM	#322
AngusMacGyver Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Denver CO Posts: 1,465	Ford base auction ended at 1775, Portman at 4k. There's a Clarke /10 at almost 2k with an hour to go.