The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Ok, I’ll come back to this in April when the Warriors have 60+ wins

And then, you'll hear me say I was wrong.

Until then, it's silly to suggest anything else.

[Dusty1985]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Lakers have been outscored by 76 in the last five games. Worst ever for a LeBron team.

Meaningless stat.
The Lakers just aren’t good. That’s the bottom line.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Still waiting for someone to explain to me how literally every player that gets plugged into the lineup next to Steph somehow becomes a big contributor?

For as good as Jokic is, he’s not turning end of rotation bench players into contributors and winning games. I’m sure daeve will be super triggered by this and tell us all how great Steph’s teammates are and how terrible Jokics are but the fact is that Steph is winning at an unprecedented rate with NBA scraps and the Nuggets aren’t even .500

You keep comparing apples and oranges to make Steph out to be this amazing force he isn't. Where were his powers last year? Or the year before?

As for your comparison, Jokic is a one man team. It's terrible and pathetic right now but so long as Draymond is on the court w/ Steph every night, they're gonna be better that Denver. That's just the way it is for a while until the Nuggets figure out how to get someone on the court that can play high quality basketball. When Jokic isn't 30/20/10 on 60%+, Nuggets simply have no chance.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Dusty1985

Meaningless stat.
The Lakers just aren’t good. That’s the bottom line.

Plenty of people here who still think the Lakers are contenders. Maybe that stat will help them.

[oldgoldy97]

Lebron might not even be a top 10 player anymore.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You keep comparing apples and oranges to make Steph out to be this amazing force he isn't. Where were his powers last year? Or the year before?

As for your comparison, Jokic is a one man team. It's terrible and pathetic right now but so long as Draymond is on the court w/ Steph every night, they're gonna be better that Denver. That's just the way it is for a while until the Nuggets figure out how to get someone on the court that can play high quality basketball. When Jokic isn't 30/20/10 on 60%+, Nuggets simply have no chance.

Steph on, Draymond off, the warriors are +160 which is still better than most of the league.

For reference the Nuggets are +193 with Jokic on.

Barton and Gordon aren’t that much different from Wiggins and Poole.

Let’s not forget Wiggins was the worst starter in the NBA before playing with Steph

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Lebron might not even be a top 10 player anymore.

But…motivation tweets for the Kang!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Steph on, Draymond off, the warriors are +160 which is still better than most of the league.

For reference the Nuggets are +193 with Jokic on.

Barton and Gordon aren’t that much different from Wiggins and Poole.

Let’s not forget Wiggins was the worst starter in the NBA before playing with Steph

Once again, your sample size is 30 games. You discount multiple seasons to make a point about these very specific 30 games Then, you discount strength of schedule to suggest +/- across teams is all comparable. It will be at game 82. It's not at game 32.

Kick back, relax. Have a few. I've said it myself, if Steph and company are nearly as good then as they are now, I agree he's going to win MVP and even w/ the shooting %, he's extremely high high high value. But you coming in here five games after our last discussion saying I should admit I'm wrong and Steph is clearly God is just ridiculous.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Once again, your sample size is 30 games. You discount multiple seasons to make a point about these very specific 30 games Then, you discount strength of schedule to suggest +/- across teams is all comparable. It will be at game 82. It's not at game 32.

Kick back, relax. Have a few. I've said it myself, if Steph and company are nearly as good then as they are now, I agree he's going to win MVP and even w/ the shooting %, he's extremely high high high value. But you coming in here five games after our last discussion saying I should admit I'm wrong and Steph is clearly God is just ridiculous.

Well it wasn’t 5 games it was 12 but point taken.

GSW had had 6th toughest schedule to this point and Denver 6th easiest so that’s not really a good point either.

Sometimes a 30 game sample is enough to tell how something is going to go and I’m pretty certain that’s the case here

[KhalDrogo]

I’m interested to see if Steph continues to shoot this poorly by his standards. This is his worst shooting season, and it’s not even close. If I’m defending the Warriors, I’m not putting as much pressure on him. Allows too many easy baskets for everyone else.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Well it wasn’t 5 games it was 12 but point taken.

GSW had had 6th toughest schedule to this point and Denver 6th easiest so that’s not really a good point either.

Sometimes a 30 game sample is enough to tell how something is going to go and I’m pretty certain that’s the case here

This is incorrect. Denver has had one of the toughest schedules, one of the easiest remaining. I believe you're reading the SoS backwards.

(And if that kind of sample size were good enough, Kyler would be the MVP, Kansas City would be in shambles and the Cleveland Browns might make the SB). Seasons play out; things normalize.

[jcardstore]

If you’re a coach do you want Steph to beat you or are you gonna make the other guys beat you?

If you leave Steph open he’s guaranteed to beat you. If you leave the other guys open you at least have a chance.

Steph has the lowest openness rating of his entire career by a long shot so my theory about his shooting percentages was correct. Teams are just smothering him and letting the other guys beat them

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is incorrect. Denver has had one of the toughest schedules, one of the easiest remaining. I believe you're reading the SoS backwards.

(And if that kind of sample size were good enough, Kyler would be the MVP, Kansas City would be in shambles and the Cleveland Browns might make the SB). Seasons play out; things normalize.

Yea idk what to believe because all 4 sources I looked at now have different SOS ratings for each team

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

If you’re a coach do you want Steph to beat you or are you gonna make the other guys beat you?

If you leave Steph open he’s guaranteed to beat you. If you leave the other guys open you at least have a chance.

Steph has the lowest openness rating of his entire career by a long shot so my theory about his shooting percentages was correct. Teams are just smothering him and letting the other guys beat them

Well they’re the best team in the league after being mediocre last year. So it’s time to go back to what worked before.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Still waiting for someone to explain to me how literally every player that gets plugged into the lineup next to Steph somehow becomes a big contributor?

1) It's because the Warriors are very well coached and have a strong work ethic.

2) The Warriors are good at identifying players who fit their system (Oubre was a failure last year, but they've had success with role players dating all the way back to Leandro Barbosa, David West, Marreese Speights, Shaun Livingston, Javale McGee, etc.).

3) The Warriors are great at developing G-League players into viable rotation players (currently JTA, GPII, and Damion Lee). Last night they got huge minutes from a guy I had never heard of, Quinndary Weatherspoon, who apparently has spent most of the last month on the G-League Santa Cruz Warriors going up against Klay Thompson in practice.

To put things in perspective, when everyone is healthy, Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody, three lottery picks, are the 13th/14th/15th guys on the roster.

[oldgoldy97]

Huge minutes

14.

And 4 fouls. And -8.

Diamond in the rough.

[mfw13]

Here are the Warriors projected units when everyone is healthy:

Starters: Looney, Green, Wiggins, Klay, Curry

2nd Unit: Bielijca, Porter, Iggy, Poole, GPII

3rd Unit: Wiseman, Kuminga, JTA, Lee, Moody

Nobody else in the league has anywhere close to that type of depth....most other teams go 8-10 deep at best.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by mfw13

1) It's because the Warriors are very well coached and have a strong work ethic.

2) The Warriors are good at identifying players who fit their system (Oubre was a failure last year, but they've had success with role players dating all the way back to Leandro Barbosa, David West, Marreese Speights, Shaun Livingston, Javale McGee, etc.).

3) The Warriors are great at developing G-League players into viable rotation players (currently JTA, GPII, and Damion Lee). Last night they got huge minutes from a guy I had never heard of, Quinndary Weatherspoon, who apparently has spent most of the last month on the G-League Santa Cruz Warriors going up against Klay Thompson in practice.

To put things in perspective, when everyone is healthy, Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody, three lottery picks, are the 13th/14th/15th guys on the roster.

All of this is fine as long as that guy named Steph is playing.

There is no “system” without him

All those guys you mentioned are average at best players and have not been successful anywhere else or won’t be successful anywhere else.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Here are the Warriors projected units when everyone is healthy:

Starters: Looney, Green, Wiggins, Klay, Curry

2nd Unit: Bielijca, Porter, Iggy, Poole, GPII

3rd Unit: Wiseman, Kuminga, JTA, Lee, Moody

Nobody else in the league has anywhere close to that type of depth....most other teams go 8-10 deep at best.

You’re mistaking depth with guys who out perform who they are because all the attention is on Steph.

Take away Steph and they’re one of the worst teams in the league, easily

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

All of this is fine as long as that guy named Steph is playing.

There is no “system” without him

All those guys you mentioned are average at best players and have not been successful anywhere else or won’t be successful anywhere else.

Yes and no.

Obviously, everyone plays better with Steph healthy, but the fact that they are 27-6 without Klay tells you that this is a team that can function just fine with an injured superstar.

Jordan Poole has developed into a mini-Steph, and the Warriors have plenty of depth in the backcourt.

Obviously, they're not going to win a title without Steph, but I'd give them a 50/50 shot at winning their 1st round playoff series even if he was hurt.

What does it tell you that a talent like Kuminga is playing only 9 minutes a game on the Warriors, whereas all the guys picked around him are playing 30+ minutes a game?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Yes and no.

Obviously, everyone plays better with Steph healthy, but the fact that they are 27-6 without Klay tells you that this is a team that can function just fine with an injured superstar.

Jordan Poole has developed into a mini-Steph, and the Warriors have plenty of depth in the backcourt.

Obviously, they're not going to win a title without Steph, but I'd give them a 50/50 shot at winning their 1st round playoff series even if he was hurt.

What does it tell you that a talent like Kuminga is playing only 9 minutes a game on the Warriors, whereas all the guys picked around him are playing 30+ minutes a game?

Yea I mean there is something to be said for continuity within an organization.

Same coach, GM, system, main players… allows you to really bring in guys that “fit”

[Zedlaw]

Kuminga not playing only tells you who the Warriors were comfortable drafting. He was going to be a project on any team. The Warriors had other choices if they wanted someone playing right away.

[auctionjmm]

These G-League Raptors are balling out tonight. 34 points in 1st quarter. Cavs thought they had a gimme tonight but not so fast.

[drobfan8]

Are Philly gonna continue to be this bad?

Only last season Embiid was telling everyone he was the MVP.

What a shambles.

Meanwhile Ben Simmons better come back and be a 70% free throw shooter with all this time.

[daeve]

JJJ outmuscling and causing the Kings' bigs some trouble. It was like 3 possessions in a row where he got to the line