WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[brothertona]

Massive hole in the roster once O'Reily and Gargano leave. They've luckily got Ciampa for another 6 months but they went from probably the best collection of indie talent in the world to a developmental brand without a clear future.

[ensbergcollecto]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Massive hole in the roster once O'Reily and Gargano leave. They've luckily got Ciampa for another 6 months but they went from probably the best collection of indie talent in the world to a developmental brand without a clear future.

they have definitely regressed. 2 years ago making a play as an equal 3rd brand and now they genuinely feel like a developmental brand. Anyone good gets pulled up and wasted. Not excited for the current state of WWE.

[mnvikingstwins]

I think it's beneficial for the roster to clear out the old guard. Kyle and Gargano been there forever and can't see Kyle excelling on main roster, maybe Gargano would. Io Shirai also been there for way too long. Need to open up the main event for the new guys like Bron and Xyon

[ClipsandVols]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Bron and Xyon

Don't forget about Yahnuss

[Jericho]

Becky as champion is really old at this point. Yes I know she won it in August, but she's been champion over 500+ days when she's been active. Maybe Liv gets a match at the Jan 1 PPV, but honestly sometimes they wait too long to pull the trigger with some people.

I did like seeing Lashley come back and just destroy everyone in sight. He's a beast and should be booked that way again.

RK-Bro is still entertaining as hell to me.

[mnvikingstwins]

https://www.instagram.com/wwe/p/CXOXZ1xlDD2

[Slette]

AJ Ferrari from OSU wrestling is coming in with a WWE-ready name already

[Jericho]

Judging by last night, seems Kyle O' Reilly is pretty much gone. Idk about Gargano though. Since he was attacked while saying goodbye. Either way I think Gargano will take some time off before he shows up again, wherever that will be. I will say that they are crazy if they think that Waller is going to be any kind of star for them in NXT.

[mnvikingstwins]

Clearly Bron is next champion, but him as face with just bony eyebrow Von and Waller as the top heel challengers seems way too lopsided and weak. Harland or Xyon are easily higher ceiling than wallert

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

I think it's beneficial for the roster to clear out the old guard. Kyle and Gargano been there forever and can't see Kyle excelling on main roster, maybe Gargano would. Io Shirai also been there for way too long. Need to open up the main event for the new guys like Bron and Xyon

I agree, to a point.

It was totally different, as someone said, when they were trying to establish it as a legit 3rd brand. But that's long gone now.

But.you still need SOME veteran talent to help "mentor"/guide the young guys

Clearly Breakker has all the tools...except.for.the stupid af name

Andrew Chase...average in the ring, character is terrible...

Boa..future endeavored soon, hopefully.

Briggs and Jensen...decent in ring but terrible gimmick

Creed bros...legit amateur wrestling is good, but 0 charisma..as one podcast describes them "walking loafs of white bread" lol

Gacy is good in the ring, but hate his gimmick..

Carmelo Hayes is a legit star...his buddy Trick is a hard pass though, guy is awful

Duke Hudson is very good imo, good in ring and lots of charisma...hes already had a brief run on the main roster...but this gimmick is more brutal than Briggs and Jensen..a "poker player"? Really?

Waller will be fine. Athletic and decent enough in ring, lots of charisma...lmk if you've heard this before, terrible gimmick lol

Harland, nobody knows yet...

Jiro...irritating as hell, please stay off my tv...my has the mighty Kushida fallen fast and hard

MSK...never understood the hype and never liked them. Almost like the NXT version of Young Bucks, except stoners...

Odyssey Jones, can be something with some time. But seems like a younger bigger Keith Lee

Solo Sikoa is legit. Needs a little more character tuning, but I'm sure he'll be main roster bound soon anyways

Tony D'Angelo has the character and charisma and is decent in the ring.

Von Wagner...no just no. He brings nothing but his size. Hes on in the ring but 0 character or charisma...hell he even botched his turn on Kyle at War Games lmao

Xyonn came out of nowhere...he ran off scared from the Dragon Lady..the shows.up few weeks later and is a star lol definitely has all the tools

Cora Jade is pretty good especially for her age and has nowhere to go but up.

Toxic Attraction is...umm...not good lol Mandy Rose at her "age" isnt going to be a future star...Gigi however has it. Decent in the ring, great charisma and only 24. I dont see it with Jayne though, character seems forced and off and shes already almost killed herself twice on tv.

Elektra Lopez is ok. Shes got the look and charisma but definitely needs more ring work

I'm torn on Indi Hartwell. Shes shown talent at times, and other times not so much. Shes still pretty young though. Her tag partner might be the better of the duo though.

Ivy Nile definitely has lots of promise.

Kayden and Kacey...they've been around awhile and I dont see it. They are ok enough in the ring but nothing special in or out imo

Lash Legend...please keep her off my tv..definition of cringe.

Raquel definitely has it..but I see her moving up to main roster soon

[Jericho]

Jeff Hardy apparently has been released. Reports say he was offered rehab but declined. So I guess we'll have to wait and see what else comes out about this. If true, I just hope Jeff gets whatever help he needs to live a good life, whether that includes wrestling or not

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Jeff Hardy apparently has been released. Reports say he was offered rehab but declined. So I guess we'll have to wait and see what else comes out about this. If true, I just hope Jeff gets whatever help he needs to live a good life, whether that includes wrestling or not

Great wrestler and person but seems he can't ever get past his demons of substance abuse.

[chiefsncards275]

Originally Posted by packman80

Great wrestler and person but seems he can't ever get past his demons of substance abuse.

Being how low the morale must be in that locker room, I think getting released might be one of the best things for him tbh


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[Fratboy]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Jeff Hardy apparently has been released. Reports say he was offered rehab but declined. So I guess we'll have to wait and see what else comes out about this. If true, I just hope Jeff gets whatever help he needs to live a good life, whether that includes wrestling or not

well that just Sucks

[mnvikingstwins]

I'd like to see some of the 24/7 jobbers sent down to NXT to be jobbers. Tozawa, Cedric, Gulak, Ricochet, Ali, and Tamina and Natalya. Give them some opponents for Bron and Wagner to beat without nxt 2.0 taking too many losses

[Jericho]

Lashley added to the Rollins/KO/Big E Title match has me more excited to see it. Would be amazing if Lashley won the belt again, but sadly I assume Big E will pin KO for the win in that one.

I have zero interest in the Miz/Edge feud. Maryse being involved only makes it worse. I hope they don't waste a Beth Phoenix return on this feud.

Liv/Becky for Jan 1st PPV, lets hope they put the title on Liv there. If not I think they've waited too long to pull the trigger with her.

[WWECollector316]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Liv/Becky for Jan 1st PPV, lets hope they put the title on Liv there. If not I think they've waited too long to pull the trigger with her.

They need a main event for night 1 of Wrestlemania, and Liv doesnt give them that option if she is holding the title.

They are also running Becky vs Bianca at like every house show, and the story of Bianca FINALLY overcoming her at WM and getting her win back is the way I see them going with this.

I think Liv needs a ton of work on the mic, and she needs some work on getting her speed up in the ring. She seems like 1 step behind all the top workers, which makes sense. She doesnt have the background or the reps the others do, or the natural athleticism that Bianca has.

The winner of the Women's rumble will be from Smackdown, and I think they give it to Sasha so she can finally get her win at Mania. That could open up a better option if they want to do Charlotte vs Sasha on night one, but who knows.

I dont think Liv is the right choice, RAW is a train wreck right now, and having her anchor things over a weak division there isnt something I would do. They should elevate her for the future, but she isnt there yet.

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by WWECollector316

They need a main event for night 1 of Wrestlemania, and Liv doesnt give them that option if she is holding the title.

They are also running Becky vs Bianca at like every house show, and the story of Bianca FINALLY overcoming her at WM and getting her win back is the way I see them going with this.

I think Liv needs a ton of work on the mic, and she needs some work on getting her speed up in the ring. She seems like 1 step behind all the top workers, which makes sense. She doesnt have the background or the reps the others do, or the natural athleticism that Bianca has.

The winner of the Women's rumble will be from Smackdown, and I think they give it to Sasha so she can finally get her win at Mania. That could open up a better option if they want to do Charlotte vs Sasha on night one, but who knows.

I dont think Liv is the right choice, RAW is a train wreck right now, and having her anchor things over a weak division there isnt something I would do. They should elevate her for the future, but she isnt there yet.

Im not a huge Liv fan myself and I agree that she isn't the best in ring right now, but honestly this Becky thing has dragged on for too long (going back to before she was pregnant). RAW definitely is hurting for women, but I don't think they want to go back to Bianca already, so Liv is about all they have left, although if not her I'd switch to Rhea before I went back to Bianca. I agree the Rumble winner has to come from SD because no RAW women should be main eventing a night of Mania

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Im not a huge Liv fan myself and I agree that she isn't the best in ring right now, but honestly this Becky thing has dragged on for too long (going back to before she was pregnant). RAW definitely is hurting for women, but I don't think they want to go back to Bianca already, so Liv is about all they have left, although if not her I'd switch to Rhea before I went back to Bianca. I agree the Rumble winner has to come from SD because no RAW women should be main eventing a night of Mania

Ripley has been wrecked by WWE. Brought in from NXT move right into championship matches and now being forced to tag with Nikki. She should be a main eventer.

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by packman80

Ripley has been wrecked by WWE. Brought in from NXT move right into championship matches and now being forced to tag with Nikki. She should be a main eventer.

Yeah but if she won the Rumble Maybe they could fix her quicker?

Also seeing reports that Kevin Owens re-signed with WWE, great news if accurate

[WWECollector316]

Originally Posted by Jericho

Im not a huge Liv fan myself and I agree that she isn't the best in ring right now, but honestly this Becky thing has dragged on for too long (going back to before she was pregnant). RAW definitely is hurting for women, but I don't think they want to go back to Bianca already, so Liv is about all they have left, although if not her I'd switch to Rhea before I went back to Bianca. I agree the Rumble winner has to come from SD because no RAW women should be main eventing a night of Mania

I think Rhea is the top prospect in the Women's division on RAW right now, and I know that isnt saying much, but it might when Bayley and Asuka come back down the road. Everyone just wants her to get away from Nikki and continue more up the card where she can have a program with Becky.

I think of all the money matches we havent seen yet (we got a taste when Becky went back to NXT pre-survivor series in 2019), Rhea vs Becky is it. They have a stadium show coming up for MITB and Summerslam, so they cant burn out all the big matches they have, but I think that program absolutely needs to happen.

If they put the belt on Liv - and I really hope they dont - the feuds available become (Becky, Doudrop, Zelina and Carmella). There arent any other heels. More importantly, if Becky loses and takes time off, then what do you have on RAW? Big E doesnt get a pop, as I was shocked to see when I was at RAW lately, and Edge cant carry a show with his schedule. So that leaves very little talent at the top. If Becky sticks around, her matches with some other woman will automatically be more important than the title match, because Liv just isnt a big deal.

Rhea is a unique case that was the victim of unfortunate circumstances surrounding wrestlemania. Charlotte was out, and they needed her to step in. In this case, being a former champ likely helps her case to be elevated. Other than her, there is some merit to going with Bayley as a heel, or do something else. Right now its difficult to have a face champ because everyone who is a heel besides Becky is low card.

I dont know, they kinda blew it booking this the way they have.

[Jericho]

Someone who we haven't seen in awhhile And IDK when she'll be ready is Asuka. You can insert her to either show. Becky has always had trouble with her so she's another person they could go with I guess?

[fulltritty]

I wonder when Alexa Bliss will be back and will she back to a normal character?

[Tblades_17]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I wonder when Alexa Bliss will be back and will she back to a normal character?

At this
Point the royal rumble. She is “healing” assume a character change.

[Kingofkings1281]

Nothing matters other than Brock and Roman anymore. One is there 10-12 times a year and the other is probably leaving in short order. WWE is in great shape.