First Buzz: 2020-21 Topps Finest UEFA Champions League - Page 4

oldgoldy97 · 07-03-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by J1L

How is your lcs selling for $150? Just taking a bath or they get them super cheap direct?

Not sure. The owner is out of town. He was $100 cheaper on Chrome when it came out. He does get it direct.

brothertona · 07-03-2021, 05:53 PM

How long until singles finally start dropping?

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althea1287 · 07-28-2021, 01:49 PM

Does anybody know how "rare" this card is? Or the estimated print run? Any ideas greatly appreciated! Thanks !

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reddragonthe · 07-28-2021, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by althea1287

Does anybody know how "rare" this card is? Or the estimated print run? Any ideas greatly appreciated! Thanks !

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Pink/Red Fusion - 1:1485 packs

Around 10 per player based on pack odds.

althea1287 · 07-28-2021, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Pink/Red Fusion - 1:1485 packs

Around 10 per player based on pack odds.

Wow- didn't realize it that low of print run...thank you so much!

reddragonthe · 07-28-2021, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by althea1287

Wow- didn't realize it that low of print run...thank you so much!

Yeah - you and most everyone else. I think they are super neat. I like obscure rarity. Unfortunately (for price/value) the "obscure" part usually means people never treat them as they might a numbered one of the same ilk. FORTUNATELY, if you like to collect them they are cheaper to buy than they seemingly should be. See also: Footballer Flash and Top XI from chrome.

althea1287 · 07-28-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Yeah - you and most everyone else. I think they are super neat. I like obscure rarity. Unfortunately (for price/value) the "obscure" part usually means people never treat them as they might a numbered one of the same ilk. FORTUNATELY, if you like to collect them they are cheaper to buy than they seemingly should be. See also: Footballer Flash and Top XI from chrome.

Thanks again- appreciated more than you know my friend!

Have a great Wednesday and a wonderful week!

k13 · 07-29-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

My LCS is $150 a box/$80 a mini.

Mine is at like $450.
They used to have good soccer prices before.

BaseballKing · 08-06-2021, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by threepointplay

As a man in his 50s, who has been buying trading cards since the mid-1990s, currently runs his own retail [record shop] business, but previously but had a nearly 30-year career working with the financial markets, everything about the prices of new product screams to me as 'unsustainable'.

We all know that a host of 'investors' have jumped into the hobby over the last 12 months and the hobby is the flavor of the month. Combine that with the unique circumstances presented by COVID-19 and you have a set of circumstances that is unsustainable. The underlying product does not warrant the prices being levied and there will be a correction at some point.

In the interim for most of us, it is just a case of sitting tight, waiting for things to right themselves and (in my case) satisfy myself with picking up singles.

You'd hope so.

I think a large part of the hobby is driven by cashed up gamblers for whom money is not an object as well as degenerate gamblers who are getting into debt because of their gambling addiction. The prices for soccer wax make the least sense of all the sports. It's like it already has the potential built into the prices but the reality is that if the American market doesn't embrace lock stock and barrel it will always rank a distant 4th/5th in the hobby pecking order.

Just because it is the world game it doesn't logically follow that it will be one of the biggest sports hobbies. I'm pretty certain that Europeans and South Americans( a significant potential marketplace) will never get into sportscards - and they would need to if the soccer hobby is to ever really take off as I don't see soccer overtaking NBA,NFL,MLB and NHL anytime soon, if ever, in the US market which probably makes up 80% of the world wide market for sportscards.

In short: soccer wax prices seem to have the hobby potential of the sport as a whole already baked in. The wax is currently way too expensive and probably give the worst ROI of any of the sports.

k13 · 08-06-2021, 06:54 AM

North America is 99.9% of the market.

80% would be a dream.

fadster · 08-06-2021, 07:48 AM

Depends how you define things. Global revenue for Panini and Topps might even be less than 50% in North America. For example only 55% of Topps revenue comes from physical cards, of which only 45% are hobby products. The sad truth is that each of the companies biggest selling individual lines are 1) mainly for kids and 2) sold outside the US. In the case of Topps it's UCL Match Attax, in the case of Panini it's whatever their biggest selling football sticker collection is. It's partly why we are sometimes treated with such disdain, if you're Panini why stress over collectors complaining about patches, autos, QA when you can rake in $1bn a year on low end stickers. I think now that they have raised direct prices hobby products will be a bigger component of revenue and hopefully have their attention but they both still essentially companies who work through massive economies of scale. If they have to make something they want to do it in huge numbers.

If the point is if you only include US manufactured cards aimed at US collectors for mostly US sports then it's not rocket science that the vast majority will be with US collectors. If we're talking just football then I don't think North America is at 80%, far too many collectors in Europe, Asia and South America.

The Accountant · 08-06-2021, 08:01 AM

I have to agree with some of the thoughts above, but do not agree with the ROI comment. I’ve been doing fine on soccer wax. But I do think a few products are not worth the current tag, including Finest

Mahomie · 09-14-2021, 10:36 AM

Newest addition for my Trincao PC (green wave/99):

thebigfumao · 09-26-2021, 02:21 PM

Anywhere I can find the print run for each of the fusion variations?

kyleuk21 · 10-26-2021, 07:38 PM

Hit this today! Wish it had the 1/1 stamp, but no complaints here

althea1287 · 10-26-2021, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Hit this today! Wish it had the 1/1 stamp, but no complaints here

Beautiful !!!!!

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Mahomie · 10-27-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Hit this today! Wish it had the 1/1 stamp, but no complaints here

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Nice card.

Big fan of the fusions, picked up a yellow/red Lewy recently:

kyleuk21 · 10-27-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahomie

Nice card.

Big fan of the fusions, picked up a yellow/red Lewy recently:

The fusion parallels look 1000x better than the prior year

djcuse · 11-02-2021, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thebigfumao

Anywhere I can find the print run for each of the fusion variations?

Fusion Print Runs according to Pack Odds:

55 yellow/red
#/45 blue/red
35 orange/red
#/25 green/red
10 pink/red
#/5 red/red
1 black/gold
#/1 rose/gold
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177 total

Mahomie · 12-07-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kyleuk21

The fusion parallels look 1000x better than the prior year

Definitely agree

kyleuk21 · 12-07-2021, 04:43 PM

Has anyone seen a rose/gold prized footballers fusion from this year? I have not seen one and am beginning to wonder if they actually exist. I've seen superfractors and black/gold which are both /1 print run just like rose/gold is supposed to be.

YayNJ · 12-07-2021, 05:24 PM

Knowing Topps they probably "forgot" to add them in and will likely find them in a box in their warehouse in six months.

08-06-2021, 07:48 AM	#86
fadster Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,275 fadster	Depends how you define things. Global revenue for Panini and Topps might even be less than 50% in North America. For example only 55% of Topps revenue comes from physical cards, of which only 45% are hobby products. The sad truth is that each of the companies biggest selling individual lines are 1) mainly for kids and 2) sold outside the US. In the case of Topps it's UCL Match Attax, in the case of Panini it's whatever their biggest selling football sticker collection is. It's partly why we are sometimes treated with such disdain, if you're Panini why stress over collectors complaining about patches, autos, QA when you can rake in $1bn a year on low end stickers. I think now that they have raised direct prices hobby products will be a bigger component of revenue and hopefully have their attention but they both still essentially companies who work through massive economies of scale. If they have to make something they want to do it in huge numbers. If the point is if you only include US manufactured cards aimed at US collectors for mostly US sports then it's not rocket science that the vast majority will be with US collectors. If we're talking just football then I don't think North America is at 80%, far too many collectors in Europe, Asia and South America. __________________ IG: @goldenballrookies

08-06-2021, 08:01 AM	#87
The Accountant Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 12,910	I have to agree with some of the thoughts above, but do not agree with the ROI comment. I’ve been doing fine on soccer wax. But I do think a few products are not worth the current tag, including Finest __________________ Buying: Cole Hamels 1/1s

09-14-2021, 10:36 AM	#88
Mahomie Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,462	Newest addition for my Trincao PC (green wave/99): __________________ PC: Taylor Heise, Kia Nurse, Trinity Rodman, Grogu, Electric Bill

07-03-2021, 05:53 PM	#77
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	How long until singles finally start dropping? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-28-2021, 01:49 PM	#78
althea1287 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: ALABAMA Posts: 73 ALTHEA197	Does anybody know how "rare" this card is? Or the estimated print run? Any ideas greatly appreciated! Thanks ! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-06-2021, 06:54 AM	#85
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	North America is 99.9% of the market. 80% would be a dream.

09-26-2021, 02:21 PM	#89
thebigfumao Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: IG: premiersports.josh Posts: 85 premiersportsjosh	Anywhere I can find the print run for each of the fusion variations?

10-26-2021, 07:38 PM	#90
kyleuk21 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,971 redlegs317 kyleuk21	Hit this today! Wish it had the 1/1 stamp, but no complaints here

12-07-2021, 04:43 PM	#96
kyleuk21 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,971 redlegs317 kyleuk21	Has anyone seen a rose/gold prized footballers fusion from this year? I have not seen one and am beginning to wonder if they actually exist. I've seen superfractors and black/gold which are both /1 print run just like rose/gold is supposed to be.

12-07-2021, 05:24 PM	#97
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,161 hanelcocards	Knowing Topps they probably "forgot" to add them in and will likely find them in a box in their warehouse in six months.