Luka Doncic Questionable Autograph Analysis

[adam711]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Just having a scribbly version and a loopy Lulu version would give me pause. It's one thing to have someone's signature evolve over the years (i.e. MJ) or even flat out change (LeBron).

I think it's healthy to question things and have discussion on them. That's a big reason for these forums. I also appreciate LUCKY's analysis videos and the amount of digging he went through to find some of the Lulu variations (like the Petrovic and President signings).

As many have said at this point, speak with your wallet and buy what you think is best for you.

I have zero loopy Lulus and zero interest in ever having one long term.

I guess my problem with this thread was it was treated with the same kind of objective nature as the trimming threads, where the jury was there was clear cut proof Luka was not signing Lulu autos. That has obviously been proven to be subjective, and he clearly has the ability to sign in separate ways. I don’t think OP or initial doubters had ulterior motives, and were in their minds doing the right thing to question it. The silence has (for the most part) been deafening when more and more evidence has come out that Luka does sign this way as well. It seems pretty stubborn for the original doubters to not say “maybe I was wrong” at this point.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by adam711

I guess my problem with this thread was it was treated with the same kind of objective nature as the trimming threads, where the jury was there was clear cut proof Luka was not signing Lulu autos. That has obviously been proven to be subjective, and he clearly has the ability to sign in separate ways. I don’t think OP or initial doubters had ulterior motives, and were in their minds doing the right thing to question it. The silence has (for the most part) been deafening when more and more evidence has come out that Luka does sign this way as well. It seems pretty stubborn for the original doubters to not say “maybe I was wrong” at this point.

Again, not all "Lulus" are the same. I have seen Luka sign a version of "Lulu." Not debating that.

I have not seen him sign the kind of short, stout, loopy Lulus that we've seen on some stickers/cards.

For the record, not only am I willing to say "maybe I was wrong," I hope I'm wrong.

It would be great to live in a world and participate in a hobby where all autographs and jerseys/memorabilia are 100% authentic.

[jerrygarcia]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Again, not all "Lulus" are the same. I have seen Luka sign a version of "Lulu." Not debating that.

I have not seen him sign the kind of short, stout, loopy Lulus that we've seen on some stickers/cards.

For the record, not only am I willing to say "maybe I was wrong," I hope I'm wrong.

It would be great to live in a world and participate in a hobby where all autographs and jerseys/memorabilia are 100% authentic.

There's literally a picture in this thread of his IP autos being loopy LULUs.
I'm not sure what other evidence you're seeking.

[beavers]

More and more of these hitting eBay. We can all agree that these are 100% authentic Luka autos correct?








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[gameissued]

It's about time! Yes I would generally accept these as authentic with Panini witnessing the signing session. And with pics and video, just can't deny that.

[casebreaksllc]

pulled this one, it looks pretty mommy

[jmcca170]

Grabbed a couple IP autos in New Orleans



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[TSonn]

Case closed. Lock it up!

[al3xmac10]

Just one thought:
What if:

Panini: Luka, great to see you! So glad to have you with us again this year. By the way, have you heard that there is a rumor that you did not sign some of your basketball cards?

Luka: Really?

Panini: The cards with your supposed ghost signer looks like these... They call these "Lulu" autos. The New York Times even had a feature about it.

Luka: I see....

Panini: For our 2021 basketball cards, we have an idea/suggestion: Would it be possible for you to sign like this? It might invalidate any rumor regarding your past autos...

Luka: .... .

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[Prospectorsadvantage]

Originally Posted by al3xmac10

Just one thought:
What if:

Panini: Luka, great to see you! So glad to have you with us again this year. By the way, have you heard that there is a rumor that you did not sign some of your basketball cards?

Luka: Really?

Panini: The cards with your supposed ghost signer looks like these... They call these "Lulu" autos. The New York Times even had a feature about it.

Luka: I see....

Panini: For our 2021 basketball cards, we have an idea/suggestion: Would it be possible for you to sign like this? It might invalidate any rumor regarding your past autos...

Luka: .... .

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Lol no.

[Spacemanspif]

that was obviously going to be where the tin foil hatters go next

[cypher]

Show me Luka signing 10 cards in a row with perfect feminine Lulu. He signed thousands of stickers this way so it should be easy. Oh it will never happen? Oh but the same people heavily invested keep showing one cherry picked example after another with no video evidence grasping for pixels? Shocker. The same person keeps posting ‘case closed’ wonder why? Lets bring out the 2nd year autos where he was instructed to sign Lulu to avoid lawsuits. That’ll prove our case.

[cypher]

Originally Posted by jmcca170

Grabbed a couple IP autos in New Orleans

Oh look more legit IP autos that match his UD first year autos. But those don’t matter! He took his time signing a perfect feminine Lulu for thousands of stickers because he cared about random fans more then real fans that attend games.

[cdeck22]

Originally Posted by cypher

Oh look more legit IP autos that match his UD first year autos. But those don’t matter! He took his time signing a perfect feminine Lulu for thousands of stickers because he cared about random fans more then real fans that attend games.

Lol someone doesn't graph IP and it shows

[cypher]

Originally Posted by cdeck22

Lol someone doesn't graph IP and it shows

In person signature varies which match UD rookie autographs that had variations of signatures.. Luka signed thousands of stickers with a perfect feminine Lulu and some collectors are fine with it.

[jerrygarcia]

Originally Posted by cypher

Show me Luka signing 10 cards in a row with perfect feminine Lulu. He signed thousands of stickers this way so it should be easy. Oh it will never happen? Oh but the same people heavily invested keep showing one cherry picked example after another with no video evidence grasping for pixels? Shocker. The same person keeps posting ‘case closed’ wonder why? Lets bring out the 2nd year autos where he was instructed to sign Lulu to avoid lawsuits. That’ll prove our case.

Dude, shut up.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by cypher

Show me Luka signing 10 cards in a row with perfect feminine Lulu. He signed thousands of stickers this way so it should be easy. Oh it will never happen? Oh but the same people heavily invested keep showing one cherry picked example after another with no video evidence grasping for pixels? Shocker. The same person keeps posting ‘case closed’ wonder why? Lets bring out the 2nd year autos where he was instructed to sign Lulu to avoid lawsuits. That’ll prove our case.

"Show me Luka signing 10 cards in a row with perfect feminine Lulu"
Looks at all of Luka's 2020-21 Contenders Optic autos...

Ok well "let's bring out the [3rd] year autos where he was instructed to sign Lulu to avoid lawsuits."

Luka did exactly what you wanted but in the same post you already negated it in your mind (with a conspiracy theory) because you feel the need to double down on your original stance even though it's been proven wrong. It's really OK to change your mind when presented with new information.

Look - there's no way to PROVE he signed every rookie card unless new video surfaces of him signing back in 2018. But any person with a brain bigger than an average rodent can put together all of the information we have available to us and understand he signed all his cards.

[brock]

Originally Posted by TSonn

"Show me Luka signing 10 cards in a row with perfect feminine Lulu"
Looks at all of Luka's 2020-21 Contenders Optic autos...

Ok well "let's bring out the [3rd] year autos where he was instructed to sign Lulu to avoid lawsuits."

Luka did exactly what you wanted but in the same post you already negated it in your mind (with a conspiracy theory) because you feel the need to double down on your original stance even though it's been proven wrong. It's really OK to change your mind when presented with new information.

Look - there's no way to PROVE he signed every rookie card unless new video surfaces of him signing back in 2018. But any person with a brain bigger than an average rodent can put together all of the information we have available to us and understand he signed all his cards.

I actually think up to 1/2 of BO members are actual rodents.




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[Zedlaw]

Aren’t there stories about Luka being very generous at signing autographs. He also wasn’t a normal 18 year old rookie, he was already a big shot overseas, signing tons of stuff. Who knows if his first US sticker autos are legit but it seems very out of character for him to ghost write. I feel perfectly comfortable giving him the benefit of doubt

[jmcca170]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Aren’t there stories about Luka being very generous at signing autographs. He also wasn’t a normal 18 year old rookie, he was already a big shot overseas, signing tons of stuff. Who knows if his first US sticker autos are legit but it seems very out of character for him to ghost write. I feel perfectly comfortable giving him the benefit of doubt

Yes, he is very generous with signing.


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[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by TSonn

"Show me Luka signing 10 cards in a row with perfect feminine Lulu"
Looks at all of Luka's 2020-21 Contenders Optic autos...

Ok well "let's bring out the [3rd] year autos where he was instructed to sign Lulu to avoid lawsuits."

Not sure this argument is as valid as you think - because they have only just been signed/released (with the 3rd year ones) haven't they?

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Not sure this argument is as valid as you think - because they have only just been signed/released (with the 3rd year ones) haven't they?

Yes. So far 6 out of 6 autos from 2020-21 contenders optic on ebay have been the "mom" lulu signature. And he had witnesses for those autos.

[cypher]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Yes. So far 6 out of 6 autos from 2020-21 contenders optic on ebay have been the "mom" lulu signature. And he had witnesses for those autos.

Your Contenders Optic autos don't help you. Imagine thinking Luka would sign thousands of stickers with an identical signature. It's obvious he had someone else sign those stickers. No matter how many cards he can sign "LuLu" will prove those fake feminine signatures. Notice how Panini is only having Luka sign on card because they already know he will forge stickers. Hey guys 20 year old Luka got stick of signing and had thousands of stickers signed with a perfect LuLu. He's capable of that despite not being able to sign 2 in person autographs the same.

[cypher]

20 year old Luka just stopped caring and signed his thousand stickers with a perfect feminine LuLu. Nothing to see here. Just keep buying cards to resell and we'll trash this conspiracy theory. He signs for fans quickly but when he signs thousands of stickers he'll make sure the LuLu is on point.

[gameissued]

How about this theory on stickers..

Signing a sheet of Lulu's - in rhythm - is actually easier than his natural vertical sig. Going from left to right it actually flows better. Pretty much one long LuluLuluLuluLuluLulu with spaces in between. The stroke for each sig might be slower, but the process is mindless and flows better. Making it less painful to get all of the stickers done while watching tv or whatever.