Raiders’ Season officially over

DMACcollector · 11-21-2021, 10:23 PM

I honestly can’t see them winning another game. I think Mark Davis needs to clean house with the staff and start over. Some nice pieces on O and D, but overall it’s a train wreck with the current coaching staff and front office.

discodanman45 · 11-21-2021, 10:27 PM

The Ruggs incident was it for the Raiders. He was an emerging star and playmaker. Teams can only overcome so much. I think it would be best for the Raiders to start from scratch and let Carr go to a team that can compete. I am sure the Saints would love to have a QB like Carr next year or he can replace Rodgers in Green Bay.

ucLAkers · 11-21-2021, 11:27 PM

Vegas Dave loses again….sell Carr buy White.

therealcjc33 · 11-22-2021, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by discodanman45

The Ruggs incident was it for the Raiders. He was an emerging star and playmaker. Teams can only overcome so much. I think it would be best for the Raiders to start from scratch and let Carr go to a team that can compete. I am sure the Saints would love to have a QB like Carr next year or he can replace Rodgers in Green Bay.

0% chance he ends up in Green Bay. I do agree he would be a great fit in New Orleans though.

Hellcat · 11-22-2021, 08:45 AM

Carr is a average QB at best they would have to give him away for anyone to bite.

sportscardpete · 11-22-2021, 08:56 AM

Carr needs weapons and an o-line to look real good. Without Ruggs they don't have a burner to take pressure off the short passes. I don't think they need to rebuild I just think they need another WR deep threat and to upgrade the safety position. This season was looking good for a hot second but as usual raiders can't sustain it.

keysersoze3421 · 11-22-2021, 09:28 AM

The Mayock-Gruden early round draft picks have absolutely destroyed their organization. They've missed on nearly all of them. Ruggs looked promising, but he's obviously no longer there. They ignored all signs on Arnette - another first rounder - and took him anyway, only to cut him two years later. Josh Jacobs, Clelin Ferrell, and Jonathan Abram were also all first rounders that have also underperformed their draft stock either marginally (Jacobs) or significantly (Abram, Ferrell). PJ Hall was a second rounder; he's no longer there. Arden Key, Lynn Bowden (traded before ever playing a snap), and Tanner Muse (cut) were all third rounders who never amounted to anything.

Over the last four drafts, they have Kolton Miller, Maxx Crosby, and Trayvon Mullen to show for it.

bsnsports0605 · 11-22-2021, 09:38 AM

They’ll beat the Cowboys with no Amari and possibly no Lamb

cardguy215 · 11-22-2021, 11:11 AM

When Mayock gets fired, does he ever get taken seriously again as a "Draft Expert" on TV?

jplarson · 11-22-2021, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cardguy215

When Mayock gets fired, does he ever get taken seriously again as a "Draft Expert" on TV?

He sure will because he'll have experience as a GM instead of a mere talking head. All he's gotta say in interviews is Gruden ran the draft room for the misses and take credit the gems.

As far as the Raiders season, it was sunk once Gruden resigned. Not saying he was going to lead them to the playoffs, but rarely does a midseason coaching change save the season. Still have the same personnel and presumably a similar coaching philosophy in place.

rms13 · 11-22-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bsnsports0605

They’ll beat the Cowboys with no Amari and possibly no Lamb

I like the Raiders on Thanksgiving but that has more to do with the Cowboys than the Raiders

TimBuckTwo · 11-22-2021, 11:46 AM

If they do not win Thursday for sure it is over.

hairysasquatch · 11-22-2021, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by keysersoze3421

The Mayock-Gruden early round draft picks have absolutely destroyed their organization. They've missed on nearly all of them. Ruggs looked promising, but he's obviously no longer there. They ignored all signs on Arnette - another first rounder - and took him anyway, only to cut him two years later. Josh Jacobs, Clelin Ferrell, and Jonathan Abram were also all first rounders that have also underperformed their draft stock either marginally (Jacobs) or significantly (Abram, Ferrell). PJ Hall was a second rounder; he's no longer there. Arden Key, Lynn Bowden (traded before ever playing a snap), and Tanner Muse (cut) were all third rounders who never amounted to anything.

Over the last four drafts, they have Kolton Miller, Maxx Crosby, and Trayvon Mullen to show for it.

Would you rate that as worse than the Lions' last four drafts?

rms13 · 11-22-2021, 01:30 PM

Mac Jones is the first good first round pick the Patriots have made since 2012 and they’ve still managed to make the playoffs every year except the Cam disaster

keysersoze3421 · 11-22-2021, 03:06 PM

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Would you rate that as worse than the Lions' last four drafts?

Definitely -- I would consider two of their last four first-rounders (Hockenson, Ragnow) as hits and one (Sewell) as a likely hit. Okudah had a rough first year, but we never really got to see him this season before he tore his Achilles. D'Andre Swift looks like a good second rounder. Their 2021 draft class looks especially promising.

hairysasquatch · 11-22-2021, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by keysersoze3421

Definitely -- I would consider two of their last four first-rounders (Hockenson, Ragnow) as hits and one (Sewell) as a likely hit. Okudah had a rough first year, but we never really got to see him this season before he tore his Achilles. D'Andre Swift looks like a good second rounder. Their 2021 draft class looks especially promising.

OK, thanks.

DMACcollector · 11-25-2021, 09:06 AM

Even without Cooper and Lamb, Cowboys should win easy. The running game and underneath pass plays should be there for them all day. Great opportunity for Dallas to let out some steam after a rough offensive outing against the Chiefs last week. Raiders, especially Carr, have been abysmal. I don’t see anything changing for them.

TimBuckTwo · 11-26-2021, 12:58 PM

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If they do not win Thursday for sure it is over.

Raiders season is back on. I see a Wild Card berth at the minimum.

AFC West owns the Cowboys.

PokeyAndG · 11-26-2021, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DMACcollector

I honestly can’t see them winning another game. I think Mark Davis needs to clean house with the staff and start over. Some nice pieces on O and D, but overall it’s a train wreck with the current coaching staff and front office.

they just won

Fratboy · 11-26-2021, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DMACcollector

Even without Cooper and Lamb, Cowboys should win easy. The running game and underneath pass plays should be there for them all day. Great opportunity for Dallas to let out some steam after a rough offensive outing against the Chiefs last week. Raiders, especially Carr, have been abysmal. I don’t see anything changing for them.

Nah man...

Carr is undefeated this season if he throws over 300 yds. Hunter Renfrow was crucial, after Waller went out of the game.

I believe Carr put up around 375 yds on the Cowboys, not to mention all of those PI calls D. Jackson got off of Brown

seth2720 · 11-26-2021, 07:05 PM

such a dumb post lol. They were 5-5 and 1-2 game back of the wild card with 7 to play. how are they "officially" done? I don't think you know what that word means lol. Plus they won last night they are very much in the thick of things.

ThatGuyPal · 11-27-2021, 08:46 AM

Ouch, rough takes by OP XD lol

hugh · 11-27-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by keysersoze3421

The Mayock-Gruden early round draft picks have absolutely destroyed their organization. They've missed on nearly all of them. Ruggs looked promising, but he's obviously no longer there. They ignored all signs on Arnette - another first rounder - and took him anyway, only to cut him two years later. Josh Jacobs, Clelin Ferrell, and Jonathan Abram were also all first rounders that have also underperformed their draft stock either marginally (Jacobs) or significantly (Abram, Ferrell). PJ Hall was a second rounder; he's no longer there. Arden Key, Lynn Bowden (traded before ever playing a snap), and Tanner Muse (cut) were all third rounders who never amounted to anything.

Over the last four drafts, they have Kolton Miller, Maxx Crosby, and Trayvon Mullen to show for it.

You are 100% correct

rms13 · 11-27-2021, 12:05 PM

1/2 game out of Wild Card in a season where no team has separated themselves from the pack and could be in a wild card spot at the end of this week depending on what happens tomorrow. I hope the players have a more positive outlook than OP and they’re not booking their golf trips yet.

purejd86p · 11-28-2021, 03:42 AM

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Ouch, rough takes by OP XD lol

Very rough!

11-21-2021, 10:23 PM	#1
DMACcollector Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,257	Raiders’ Season officially over I honestly can’t see them winning another game. I think Mark Davis needs to clean house with the staff and start over. Some nice pieces on O and D, but overall it’s a train wreck with the current coaching staff and front office. __________________ __________________________________________ Flickr link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/187992135@N04/albums/

11-21-2021, 10:27 PM	#2
discodanman45 Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: CA Posts: 9,421 danch27	The Ruggs incident was it for the Raiders. He was an emerging star and playmaker. Teams can only overcome so much. I think it would be best for the Raiders to start from scratch and let Carr go to a team that can compete. I am sure the Saints would love to have a QB like Carr next year or he can replace Rodgers in Green Bay. __________________ Updating my entire collection on Card Ladder. Lots to go... https://www.cardladder.com/showcase/IOBB7AY2qTVVKSgU9Aqj02kfF4I3

11-21-2021, 11:27 PM	#3
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11-22-2021, 09:28 AM	#7
keysersoze3421 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Decatur, GA Posts: 1,069 zanoo23	The Mayock-Gruden early round draft picks have absolutely destroyed their organization. They've missed on nearly all of them. Ruggs looked promising, but he's obviously no longer there. They ignored all signs on Arnette - another first rounder - and took him anyway, only to cut him two years later. Josh Jacobs, Clelin Ferrell, and Jonathan Abram were also all first rounders that have also underperformed their draft stock either marginally (Jacobs) or significantly (Abram, Ferrell). PJ Hall was a second rounder; he's no longer there. Arden Key, Lynn Bowden (traded before ever playing a snap), and Tanner Muse (cut) were all third rounders who never amounted to anything. Over the last four drafts, they have Kolton Miller, Maxx Crosby, and Trayvon Mullen to show for it. __________________ PC - 90s Patriots, Brett Favre, Vlad Guerrero Sr., Jeff Bagwell, Pedro Martinez IG: zanoo23_sportscards https://www.flickr.com/photos/158811696@N03/albums

11-25-2021, 09:06 AM	#17
DMACcollector Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,257	Even without Cooper and Lamb, Cowboys should win easy. The running game and underneath pass plays should be there for them all day. Great opportunity for Dallas to let out some steam after a rough offensive outing against the Chiefs last week. Raiders, especially Carr, have been abysmal. I don’t see anything changing for them. __________________ __________________________________________ Flickr link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/187992135@N04/albums/

11-22-2021, 08:45 AM	#5
Hellcat Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 2,287	Carr is a average QB at best they would have to give him away for anyone to bite.

11-22-2021, 08:56 AM	#6
sportscardpete Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 502	Carr needs weapons and an o-line to look real good. Without Ruggs they don't have a burner to take pressure off the short passes. I don't think they need to rebuild I just think they need another WR deep threat and to upgrade the safety position. This season was looking good for a hot second but as usual raiders can't sustain it.

11-22-2021, 09:38 AM	#8
bsnsports0605 Member Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 319	They’ll beat the Cowboys with no Amari and possibly no Lamb

11-22-2021, 11:11 AM	#9
cardguy215 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 105	When Mayock gets fired, does he ever get taken seriously again as a "Draft Expert" on TV?

11-22-2021, 11:46 AM	#12
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,962	If they do not win Thursday for sure it is over.

11-22-2021, 01:30 PM	#14
rms13 Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: California Posts: 7,040	Mac Jones is the first good first round pick the Patriots have made since 2012 and they’ve still managed to make the playoffs every year except the Cam disaster

11-26-2021, 07:05 PM	#21
seth2720 Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 1,364	such a dumb post lol. They were 5-5 and 1-2 game back of the wild card with 7 to play. how are they "officially" done? I don't think you know what that word means lol. Plus they won last night they are very much in the thick of things. __________________ Happily collecting the 90's (also buying 2000/01 auto memorabilia cards and 2000 prestige award winning materials triple autos

11-27-2021, 08:46 AM	#22
ThatGuyPal Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 3,559	Ouch, rough takes by OP XD lol

11-27-2021, 12:05 PM	#24
rms13 Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: California Posts: 7,040	1/2 game out of Wild Card in a season where no team has separated themselves from the pack and could be in a wild card spot at the end of this week depending on what happens tomorrow. I hope the players have a more positive outlook than OP and they’re not booking their golf trips yet.