Patrick Mahomes Prices

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Every QB has to deal with drops. every one. Also, until the very end, Mahomes has had zero fire. Zero emotion. leaders show up when things are going poorly. I am not seeing that out of Mahomes. I see a lot of Mopping around the sidelines. I see eye rolls, I see terrible body language. a lot. this has been going on for weeks. He needs to be out there firing his teammates up. It is easy to get fired up when everything is going well.

Additionally, Mahomes mechanics are so messed up. honestly, I think his mechanics are poor in general. it is why so many balls are at receivers' feet and thrown behind. He tries to get too cute. all this side arm, no look, throwing off the back foot, jump pass garbage is just that. garbage. looking for style points.

I noticed that even the few down field passes he did complete, were not great passes. they were either thrown to the wrong shoulder or behind the receiver. will never get YAC if you cant hit receivers in stride. Right now, he is lucky to be hitting receivers at all.

as his athletic ability fades and he cant bail himself out with it, all that will be left is mechanics. Patrick Mahomes has poor mechanics at this point in his career.

Poor mechanics? Kind of like your use of capital letters at the start of some sentences.

[tjforce]

Man. Yesterday was not a good game. Missed throws, drops, wrong reads... but it they lived to fight another day.

I'd rather take an ugly win vs the Jordan Love led Packers than a loss to the Jaguars.

The only glimmer of hope was that on the last play he actually looked like himself again. Maybe that loosens things up next week for a big showdown in Vegas.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by Zauron

They should've blown the Packers out, Packers had no offense and played an awful game giving away points.

Chiefs and Mahomes have fallen off a cliff of recently of what they once were.

20 points vs Bills
3 points vs Titans
20 points vs Giants
13 points vs Packers

If Rodgers plays, this might have been a blowout for the Packers. They barely escaped the Giants with a win.

Seems like teams are trying to take away the deep shot to Hill and doubling Kelce, and it's working.

Had the Green Bay Corner caught the Int that he dropped, Jordan Love and Mahomes would have had almost exactly the same game. kind of scary.

He is almost out of the top 20 in rating at 92.5 ranked 19th in league over halfway through the season.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Had the Green Bay Corner caught the Int that he dropped, Jordan Love and Mahomes would have had almost exactly the same game. kind of scary.

He is almost out of the top 20 in rating at 92.5 ranked 19th in league over halfway through the season.

That was an awful throw, I mean I understand getting hit or throwing deep and the DB makes a play, or tipped interception. But that was straight bad and 100% should have been an interception.

I really expected more from Mahomes and he did not deliver.

[KhalDrogo]

He’s not even in the top 15 in QBR right now.

I wanted to chalk up their issues to frustration with the awful defense, but at this point there’s no defending it. They looked disastrous yesterday.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Had the Green Bay Corner caught the Int that he dropped, Jordan Love and Mahomes would have had almost exactly the same game. kind of scary.

He is almost out of the top 20 in rating at 92.5 ranked 19th in league over halfway through the season.

Originally Posted by Zauron

That was an awful throw, I mean I understand getting hit or throwing deep and the DB makes a play, or tipped interception. But that was straight bad and 100% should have been an interception.

I really expected more from Mahomes and he did not deliver.

And if Tyrann Mathieu had picked that pass that went right through both of his hands and ran it back for a TD this game would have been more lopsided.

You can't have this just one way

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by tjforce

And if Tyrann Mathieu had picked that pass that went right through both of his hands and ran it back for a TD this game would have been more lopsided.

You can't have this just one way

This isn't about the win or loss, but QB play. That was a throw he shouldn't have attempted, I'm not arguing how it affected the game or what if. That was another bad throw, he's having a lot of these now and missing reads. He's playing bad.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Zauron

This isn't about the win or loss, but QB play. That was a throw he shouldn't have attempted, I'm not arguing how it affected the game or what if. That was another bad throw, he's having a lot of these now and missing reads. He's playing bad.

I agree he is...

but what I'm saying is that if you are going to dock Mahomes for the bad pass INT that didn't happen, then you should dock Love for it as well.

Lord knows, Mahomes had enough fluke INTs earlier in the year that it's about time he had one to even things out.

[Onepocketj]

They need a schedule like Alabama this year where they can go play a high school and get everything sorted out. They've totally changed their offense and it's not working at all.

[randino101]

Some interesting food for thought in this SB Nation article (and the comments below it).


https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/...es-nfl-week-10

[imbluestreak23]

Comments about Mahomes performance were wildly inaccurate before the Bills game. They were inaccurate for the Titans game IMO as the defense could not get off the field to give the offense possessions. Patty has not played well in his last 4 games while the defense has started to show some signs of life.

It's in his head now. First 4 games he's a top 2-3 QB in the league and is getting criticized for the losses despite being the only bright spot on the roster. But the focus was on INTs, many coming from drops, many coming from last quarter drives to come back and win a game. Gotta be frustrating. Now it's carried over to his play to the point where on ESPN, they are saying the Pats can make the SB after Mac Jones throws for 138 yards beating Sam Darnold's Panthers but the conversation about Patty continues to be what's wrong despite a win, a pretty ugly win against the best team in the NFC which made Kyler Murray look pedestrian just a week earlier. Definitely seems mental and he will have to overcome it.

Good news is they control their own destiny and literally could be a 2-3 seed in the playoffs. #1 is out of question as the division winners all own the tiebrakers, but one thing KC hasn't done is lose to a bad team like just about most other top teams.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by randino101

Some interesting food for thought in this SB Nation article (and the comments below it).


https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/...es-nfl-week-10

Thanks for the share.

The interesting part about all of this is it will make him a better QB long term. Once he learns to take the 8-10 yard freebies the defense will have to adjust and allow more deep opportunities. Then there's literally no way to stop him.

Now, Mahomes has to adjust to it. To his credit, he has tried to do the 8-10 yard freebies quite a bit this season but a handful of times the WR has dropped it, tipped it for an INT, or fumbled which has made Mahomes press even more the next series. Pressing is what made the Chiefs win the Superbowl in 2020 so I don't blame him falling back on it - but with the defense improving now even if there's a drop, tip, or fumble on the under stuff he's gotta keep going back it.

[SupermanBrandon]

Will be interesting to watch from this point forward. Does he take that next step after the money, the family, the fame, the commercials, the Super Bowl win, etc?

[Siberian13]

Mahomes became Alex Smith yesterday. Was odd to see

[sethc1020]

The biggest thing I see is that he just won't take the short passes the defense is giving him and being methodical to keep the chains moving. He is ALWAYS looking for the 50 yard bomb into double coverage. And I get it, it used to be easy to get those all game long but this year is different. The O-line is trash and couldn't stop a 6 year old so the deep pass should be mostly out of the offense unless its there or until defenses start pushing up. It also doesn't help that Reid is back to refusing to run the ball more (long history of this going all the way back to his Philly days) and teams know it. They are defending everything deep. Its a game plan setup to fail for the personnel they have right now.

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

The O-line is trash and couldn't stop a 6 year old so the deep pass should be mostly out of the offense unless its there or until defenses start pushing up.

Hhhmmm what GOAT QB decided to take less year after year and be sure he was protected and had a defense?

This all comes down to what is more important to a person, legacy or money, Mahomes chose money and that is fine but we should NEVER hear him mention his defense or O line ever.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Hhhmmm what GOAT QB decided to take less year after year and be sure he was protected and had a defense?

This all comes down to what is more important to a person, legacy or money, Mahomes chose money and that is fine but we should NEVER hear him mention his defense or O line ever.

Well it helps when your wife makes 50 million a year...

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Well it helps when your wife makes 50 million a year...

That doesn't matter. He's worth $250M+. He chose legacy when the opportunity presented itself. Most choose money. Neither are wrong answers.

[arod305]

A lot of deserved chatter. Realistically, if the Chiefs can take care of business this weekend they are right where they need to be. They will be 6-4 and in a decent spot within the division.

The AFC is wide open at half way through the season. Chiefs just need to keep treading water and hopefully get to the bye week to figure things out. However, I do believe SNF is a must win game. I do believe they will get it done. The defense hopefully has a little more confidence yesterday and I loved seeing Chris Jones playing back in the interior.

Will be at the game Sunday night and can't wait to hopefully see a Chiefs win!

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

That doesn't matter. He's worth $250M+. He chose legacy when the opportunity presented itself. Most choose money. Neither are wrong answers.

Lmao. Agree to disagree. When your wife is the highest paid model in the world for 15 years and is listed in Forbes as one of the most powerful women in the world, you can take a few more liberties with your contract than other quarterbacks.

[eastbayak]

I don’t follow the Mahomes market but am generally curious:

Have prices started coming down on his stuff or is it essentially the same as Week 1? I’m assuming his prices haven’t gone up but I suppose that’s also a possibility haha.

[Westwave]

I see the excuses are already starting to flow out.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I don’t follow the Mahomes market but am generally curious:

Have prices started coming down on his stuff or is it essentially the same as Week 1? I’m assuming his prices haven’t gone up but I suppose that’s also a possibility haha.

Down, but I’d say it’s down an amount typical for a buy the preseason hype and sell the regular season news pattern. Prizm PSA 10 is down 16% the last three months. Lamar Prizm PSA 10 is down 12%.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by arod305

A lot of deserved chatter. Realistically, if the Chiefs can take care of business this weekend they are right where they need to be. They will be 6-4 and in a decent spot within the division.

The AFC is wide open at half way through the season. Chiefs just need to keep treading water and hopefully get to the bye week to figure things out. However, I do believe SNF is a must win game. I do believe they will get it done. The defense hopefully has a little more confidence yesterday and I loved seeing Chris Jones playing back in the interior.

Will be at the game Sunday night and can't wait to hopefully see a Chiefs win!

I'm debating flying up and going sunday night too. Been purusing for some tix

[mainelobster]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Lmao. Agree to disagree. When your wife is the highest paid model in the world for 15 years and is listed in Forbes as one of the most powerful women in the world, you can take a few more liberties with your contract than other quarterbacks.

Such a silly argument. "$300M isn't enough money but $500M is". He could have taken less and still beem super rich. Having a wealthy wife has absolutely nothing to do with it. NOT A SINGLE QB IN THE NFL GETTING A LONG TERM CONTRACT "NEEDS" THAT EXTRA MONEY.