Warning of stolen lebron james 2003-04 chrome card

[sickmantz]

Y'all keep asking "What's missing?"

Reading comprehension...reading comprehension is what's missing.

Good grief.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

So here’s what I don’t understand. If the deal was done and paid how does the OP know it was stolen / fraudulently paid for… and why is it the sellers problem anyways?

Goldin should be doing their own KYC and why is OP worried since he should be getting g paid anyways?

There is definitely context missing

Yes it seems like something else is going on here. I don’t know how Goldin operates but I can’t understand why they would be going back to the seller after the transaction to tell them “just so you know the person that bought your card used a stolen credit card “

[Orangejello727]

Maybe someone got paid post consignment. Then insurance paid out for credit refusal after card was sent. Now that everyone is paid, attempting to find the card and recover it can be a bonus? Ive seen this done before. People get paid insurance then try and chase the stolen card down and claim ownership ....getting it back and the insurance money.

[gameissued]

Yep I agreee.. something about this post just seems sort of fishy.

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Maybe someone got paid post consignment. Then insurance paid out for credit refusal after card was sent. Now that everyone is paid, attempting to find the card and recover it can be a bonus? Ive seen this done before. People get paid insurance then try and chase the stolen card down and claim ownership ....getting it back and the insurance money.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Maybe someone got paid post consignment. Then insurance paid out for credit refusal after card was sent. Now that everyone is paid, attempting to find the card and recover it can be a bonus? Ive seen this done before. People get paid insurance then try and chase the stolen card down and claim ownership ....getting it back and the insurance money.

As soon as its cracked out of the slab it will be hard to prove anything so good luck to OP hunting it down. I’d feel bad for him if it was actually stolen but as long as he got paid then oh well.

[sportsfanatic]

Either the OP or Ken himself should clarify whether the OP got paid for the sale. As others have said, it seems very suspicious that the OP is telling people to contact him or LE if they see this card being sold...Goldin Auctions should be doing the leg-work. Thats the whole point of consignment...

[auburn35]

Appears the BGS certification has been deactivated.

As others have mentioned, more info would be nice. Hope the card can be tracked down.

[BRAVEHEART]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I assume he never got paid… hence my post

If he got paid?

It shouldn’t be

It isn't a problem for me, I was just trying to notify potential buyers of an illegally obtained card that could result in financial loss to that buyer.

Originally Posted by Kobe101

Did the Auction House pay you? That is their problem. Good heads up so no one buys a stolen card but I hope you got paid.

Thanks for understanding the reason for my original post.

Originally Posted by asujbl

That’s why I’m confused

If he got paid for co-signing? It’s an auction house problem
If he didn’t get paid? Name this “auction house”

My entire point

If he’s just helping out the auction house? I guess that’s possible but seems strange

Nothing "strange" just a warning to potential buyers.

Originally Posted by mc1

So you've been paid and want the card when it shows up.

I do not want the card back.

Originally Posted by theleica

He wants you to contact him or law enforcement. Nothing else is relevant.

Thank you for interpreting my post correctly, glad some people can appreciate the reason for the post.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

So here’s what I don’t understand. If the deal was done and paid how does the OP know it was stolen / fraudulently paid for… and why is it the sellers problem anyways?

Goldin should be doing their own KYC and why is OP worried since he should be getting g paid anyways?

There is definitely context missing

Nobody needs to know if I've been paid or how I know the card was purchased with a stolen credit card. What action the auction house now take as regards the card has nothing to do with me. I'm not "worried" just trying to warn fellow card collectors of potential problems if the card is now purchased.

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Should have given all the details and advise to contact golden auctions if found. Law enforcement isn’t going to do anything without a lot more information.

Maybe Law Enforcement in the country where you live won't take action but as this Forum is available worldwide the Law is different in many countries. Law Enforcement in my country would take action, a stolen credit card used in a transaction is a crime, I couldn't differentiate between laws in so many countries in my original post .

Originally Posted by sickmantz

Y'all keep asking "What's missing?"

Reading comprehension...reading comprehension is what's missing.

Good grief.

Spot on, comprehension. Thank you.

Originally Posted by rms13

Yes it seems like something else is going on here. I don’t know how Goldin operates but I can’t understand why they would be going back to the seller after the transaction to tell them “just so you know the person that bought your card used a stolen credit card “

Originally Posted by gameissued

Yep I agreee.. something about this post just seems sort of fishy.

Nothing "fishy" or "something else is going on here", just an honest post to prevent a buyer spending money on a legally obtained card and facing any subsequent financial & legal situations they may find themselves in.

Originally Posted by theleica

Why is this your problem?

Not a problem to me, just trying to help notify card collectors of a potential "problem" they may find themselves with.

Originally Posted by sportsfanatic

Either the OP or Ken himself should clarify whether the OP got paid for the sale. As others have said, it seems very suspicious that the OP is telling people to contact him or LE if they see this card being sold...Goldin Auctions should be doing the leg-work. Thats the whole point of consignment...

Why should the auction house or myself clarify if I received payment for the card?
If you once owned a card that you were aware was now in circulation or in the hands of someone who had illegally obtained it would you not take steps to warn card collectors of this?



Finally. What I fail to understand is why people can't just read the post and then decide if they want to buy the card if it appears for sale in the future. If you do buy it, then you have been warned, if you don't want to buy it then move on with your life.
To me it would appear that some people read into a post and look for something that isn't there.

I thought I was doing the decent thing by informing card collectors of the matter.
I still believe I've done the correct thing, others obviously feel differently and that there's a hidden agenda behind my actions.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Thank you.

[pingbling23]

jurisdiction matters. so you call your local police when the card pops up in china after being sold in the united states. what is your local police going to do? who is the victim in all of this? i kind of understand you being defensive but you are posting in a public forum and not being fully transparent. you should have no interest in the card at this time. so contacting you or law enforcement is poor advice. giving a heads up is the right thing to do because we dont want to see a fellow collector holding a stolen or fraudulently bought card. ken needs to chime in and let us know what would be the best course of action if we come across the card. even if we come across the card in person, we do not have enough evidence to have police get involved. if i found it at my local lcs and called the police, i have no proof that the card is stolen and they will do absolutely nothing. it will take the original agency that took the report involving the card to contact the local police where the card is now at. have you been paid for the card? im not sure why that is a sensitive question.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

jurisdiction matters. so you call your local police when the card pops up in china after being sold in the united states. what is your local police going to do? who is the victim in all of this? i kind of understand you being defensive but you are posting in a public forum and not being fully transparent. you should have no interest in the card at this time. so contacting you or law enforcement is poor advice. giving a heads up is the right thing to do because we dont want to see a fellow collector holding a stolen or fraudulently bought card. ken needs to chime in and let us know what would be the best course of action if we come across the card. even if we come across the card in person, we do not have enough evidence to have police get involved. if i found it at my local lcs and called the police, i have no proof that the card is stolen and they will do absolutely nothing. it will take the original agency that took the report involving the card to contact the local police where the card is now at. have you been paid for the card? im not sure why that is a sensitive question.

All of this plus we all know that card is getting cracked out so it's not going to matter anyways

[rms13]

Originally Posted by BRAVEHEART

It isn't a problem for me, I was just trying to notify potential buyers of an illegally obtained card that could result in financial loss to that buyer.


Thanks for understanding the reason for my original post.


Nothing "strange" just a warning to potential buyers.


I do not want the card back.


Thank you for interpreting my post correctly, glad some people can appreciate the reason for the post.


Nobody needs to know if I've been paid or how I know the card was purchased with a stolen credit card. What action the auction house now take as regards the card has nothing to do with me. I'm not "worried" just trying to warn fellow card collectors of potential problems if the card is now purchased.


Maybe Law Enforcement in the country where you live won't take action but as this Forum is available worldwide the Law is different in many countries. Law Enforcement in my country would take action, a stolen credit card used in a transaction is a crime, I couldn't differentiate between laws in so many countries in my original post .


Spot on, comprehension. Thank you.




Nothing "fishy" or "something else is going on here", just an honest post to prevent a buyer spending money on a legally obtained card and facing any subsequent financial & legal situations they may find themselves in.


Not a problem to me, just trying to help notify card collectors of a potential "problem" they may find themselves with.


Why should the auction house or myself clarify if I received payment for the card?
If you once owned a card that you were aware was now in circulation or in the hands of someone who had illegally obtained it would you not take steps to warn card collectors of this?



Finally. What I fail to understand is why people can't just read the post and then decide if they want to buy the card if it appears for sale in the future. If you do buy it, then you have been warned, if you don't want to buy it then move on with your life.
To me it would appear that some people read into a post and look for something that isn't there.

I thought I was doing the decent thing by informing card collectors of the matter.
I still believe I've done the correct thing, others obviously feel differently and that there's a hidden agenda behind my actions.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Thank you.

Nobody that buys this card is going to be in any financial or legal situation. 100% sure the card will never show up in that slab again and nobody will be able to prove it’s the same card. Maybe nobody should ever buy any of these Lebrons again. It’s probably getting graded at PSA right now and will be sold for more than you got for it. Sorry there are dishonest people in the world and a crime was comiitted. I don’t support these criminals and I’m amazed that Goldin doesn’t have some KYC in place to be able to verify who bought it. If Goldin ran a proper business dealing with high price items like this then they would be able to track down the criminal. Hopefully they’ll change their system after this but I have a feeling that paying for whatever their insurance costs is less expensive than taking steps to prevent this in the future

[tmar214]

Originally Posted by BRAVEHEART

Why should the auction house or myself clarify if I received payment for the card?
If you once owned a card that you were aware was now in circulation or in the hands of someone who had illegally obtained it would you not take steps to warn card collectors of this?

I'd say you should clarify because you would be helping the community make a more informed decision about whether or not Goldin is a safe place to send cards to for consignment.

Goldin should clarify because if their is any doubt about their consignment process they are less likely to be a place people take their business to in the future.

From the outside their is no downside to you sharing this information unless a private deal was made with goldin that you are not allowed to talk about.

[KhalDrogo]

Seems strange that Goldin would disclose to you that the buyer used a stolen credit card. That should have no influence on whether or not you get paid. That’s Goldin’s problem, not your’s.

[Daveacards]

I wanted to provide an update to the thread. We are disappointed a consignor who was paid in full for this card would not only post about, but spread misinformation about someone using a stolen credit card (which is not the case).

I want to confirm that the LeBron Card in question was purchased from Goldin. After the purchase, the buyer claimed the card was not authentic and the issue was investigated on our end thoroughly and this was proven to be a false claim. The purchaser issued a chargeback but refused to supply any information as to why nor return the card to us in a clear attempt to defraud and steal the item. We have reported the card stolen to Beckett to flag the cert number and we have paid out the seller in full and our handling the purchaser with our attorneys and police in the areas. We take this situation serious and our sellers will always be taken care of, which is the reason to sell at an auction house that has a good reputation and stands behinds its consignors. We are handling the issue with the purchaser and the authorities directly. This issue has zero to do with the OP who as stated was paid on full for his card.

[jcardstore]

Thanks for the update with the much needed context behind the situation

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Daveacards

I wanted to provide an update to the thread. We are disappointed a consignor who was paid in full for this card would not only post about, but spread misinformation about someone using a stolen credit card (which is not the case).

I want to confirm that the LeBron Card in question was purchased from Goldin. After the purchase, the buyer claimed the card was not authentic and the issue was investigated on our end thoroughly and this was proven to be a false claim. The purchaser issued a chargeback but refused to supply any information as to why nor return the card to us in a clear attempt to defraud and steal the item. We have reported the card stolen to Beckett to flag the cert number and we have paid out the seller in full and our handling the purchaser with our attorneys and police in the areas. We take this situation serious and our sellers will always be taken care of, which is the reason to sell at an auction house that has a good reputation and stands behinds its consignors. We are handling the issue with the purchaser and the authorities directly. This issue has zero to do with the OP who as stated was paid on full for his card.

Thanks. Figured OP was not being truthful.

Motion to ban OP.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Daveacards

I wanted to provide an update to the thread. We are disappointed a consignor who was paid in full for this card would not only post about, but spread misinformation about someone using a stolen credit card (which is not the case).

I want to confirm that the LeBron Card in question was purchased from Goldin. After the purchase, the buyer claimed the card was not authentic and the issue was investigated on our end thoroughly and this was proven to be a false claim. The purchaser issued a chargeback but refused to supply any information as to why nor return the card to us in a clear attempt to defraud and steal the item. We have reported the card stolen to Beckett to flag the cert number and we have paid out the seller in full and our handling the purchaser with our attorneys and police in the areas. We take this situation serious and our sellers will always be taken care of, which is the reason to sell at an auction house that has a good reputation and stands behinds its consignors. We are handling the issue with the purchaser and the authorities directly. This issue has zero to do with the OP who as stated was paid on full for his card.

thank you for the update. transparency is key!!!

[mc1]

“Spread misinformation”

Nope, hes a liar. Call a spade a spade. You cant call him that but we can.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by sickmantz

Y'all keep asking "What's missing?"

Reading comprehension...reading comprehension is what's missing.

Good grief.

[MIRRABB]

great thread would read again

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by Daveacards

I wanted to provide an update to the thread. We are disappointed a consignor who was paid in full for this card would not only post about, but spread misinformation about someone using a stolen credit card (which is not the case).

I want to confirm that the LeBron Card in question was purchased from Goldin. After the purchase, the buyer claimed the card was not authentic and the issue was investigated on our end thoroughly and this was proven to be a false claim. The purchaser issued a chargeback but refused to supply any information as to why nor return the card to us in a clear attempt to defraud and steal the item. We have reported the card stolen to Beckett to flag the cert number and we have paid out the seller in full and our handling the purchaser with our attorneys and police in the areas. We take this situation serious and our sellers will always be taken care of, which is the reason to sell at an auction house that has a good reputation and stands behinds its consignors. We are handling the issue with the purchaser and the authorities directly. This issue has zero to do with the OP who as stated was paid on full for his card.

Thank you for the update...OP is trying to pull a fast one and get the card back. Pathetic.

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Thanks. Figured OP was not being truthful.

Motion to ban OP.

Seconded

[theleica]

Originally Posted by Daveacards

I wanted to provide an update to the thread. We are disappointed a consignor who was paid in full for this card would not only post about, but spread misinformation about someone using a stolen credit card (which is not the case).

I want to confirm that the LeBron Card in question was purchased from Goldin. After the purchase, the buyer claimed the card was not authentic and the issue was investigated on our end thoroughly and this was proven to be a false claim. The purchaser issued a chargeback but refused to supply any information as to why nor return the card to us in a clear attempt to defraud and steal the item. We have reported the card stolen to Beckett to flag the cert number and we have paid out the seller in full and our handling the purchaser with our attorneys and police in the areas. We take this situation serious and our sellers will always be taken care of, which is the reason to sell at an auction house that has a good reputation and stands behinds its consignors. We are handling the issue with the purchaser and the authorities directly. This issue has zero to do with the OP who as stated was paid on full for his card.

Thank you for giving context. Not sure why OP made this thread to begin with other than to be sketchy.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by rifleman69

Thank you for the update...OP is trying to pull a fast one and get the card back. Pathetic.

Maybe he thought no one would try to find the card or dive deeper. Legitimately took me 5 min.

[auburn35]

Interesting update from Goldin. As people suspected, there was more to the story than presented in the OP.

Maybe the "not authentic" claim from the buyer was related to the Lebron originating from a known trimmer?

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