Warning of stolen lebron james 2003-04 chrome card

BRAVEHEART · 11-02-2021, 05:03 PM

Hello Fellow Card Collectors,
I'd like to warn potential buyers of a 'stolen' basketball card.
Earlier this year I sent a 2003-04 Topps Chrome Lebron James rookie card # 111, BGS 9.5 (2 x 10 incl centering & 2 x 9.5 subs) to a respected US auction house.
The card sold, payment was made to the auction house who then shipped the card to the highest bidder.
Unfortunately the bidder used a stolen credit card to pay for it.
The BGS Serial Number is 0010501751.
PLEASE DO NOT BUY OR BID ON IT.
Contact me or law enforcement if you see it for sale.
Thank you.

SGC300ier · 11-02-2021, 05:18 PM

Wow, sleeze balls!

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asujbl · 11-02-2021, 05:20 PM

I feel like a super key piece of information is missing… why is it missing…

pingbling23 · 11-02-2021, 05:22 PM

Hopefully the auction house paid you in full and are doing the leg work to get their money back.

theleica · 11-02-2021, 05:24 PM

Why is this your problem?

asujbl · 11-02-2021, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pingbling23

Hopefully the auction house paid you in full and are doing the leg work to get their money back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by theleica

Why is this your problem?

I assume he never got paid… hence my post

If he got paid?

It shouldn’t be

Kobe101 · 11-02-2021, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BRAVEHEART

Hello Fellow Card Collectors,
I'd like to warn potential buyers of a 'stolen' basketball card.
Earlier this year I sent a 2003-04 Topps Chrome Lebron James rookie card # 111, BGS 9.5 (2 x 10 incl centering & 2 x 9.5 subs) to a respected US auction house.
The card sold, payment was made to the auction house who then shipped the card to the highest bidder.
Unfortunately the bidder used a stolen credit card to pay for it.
The BGS Serial Number is 0010501751.
PLEASE DO NOT BUY OR BID ON IT.
Contact me or law enforcement if you see it for sale.
Thank you.

Did the Auction House pay you? That is their problem. Good heads up so no one buys a stolen card but I hope you got paid.

theleica · 11-02-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

I assume he never got paid… hence my post

If he got paid?

It shouldn’t be

Isn't this the whole point in consigning?

asujbl · 11-02-2021, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by theleica

Isn't this the whole point in consigning?

That’s why I’m confused

If he got paid for co-signing? It’s an auction house problem
If he didn’t get paid? Name this “auction house”

My entire point

If he’s just helping out the auction house? I guess that’s possible but seems strange

theleica · 11-02-2021, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asujbl

That’s why I’m confused

If he got paid for co-signing? It’s an auction house problem
If he didn’t get paid? Name this “auction house”

My entire point

If he’s just helping out the auction house? I guess that’s possible but seems strange

Also, as a bidder don't auction houses verify who you are, how much you can bid, etc?

theleica · 11-02-2021, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asujbl

That’s why I’m confused

If he got paid for co-signing? It’s an auction house problem
If he didn’t get paid? Name this “auction house”

My entire point

If he’s just helping out the auction house? I guess that’s possible but seems strange

That wasn't hard to find. Card was sold through Goldin Auctions in the Elite Auction ending May 22-23. $14,760.00

asujbl · 11-02-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by theleica

That wasn't hard to find. Card was sold through Goldin Auctions in the Elite Auction ending May 22-23. $14,760.00

I’m sure it wasn’t

So why not say it?

And why not clarify who has been paid? Are they doing a chargeback to Goldin who is now charging back the seller? What is going on exactly?

Not you obviously

BRAVEHEART · 11-02-2021, 06:53 PM

I posted to warn potential buyers that the card wasn’t in the hands of the legal owner and therefore not to bid or buy it to prevent any loss of funds to a buyer.
I didn’t mention the auction house, nor who has or hasn’t been paid as I didn’t consider it relevant to the reason for the post.

jcardstore · 11-02-2021, 06:57 PM

I feel like if you’re going to claim something missing or stolen you should be providing all relevant details but I guess not…

theleica · 11-02-2021, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAVEHEART

I posted to warn potential buyers that the card wasn’t in the hands of the legal owner and therefore not to bid or buy it to prevent any loss of funds to a buyer.
I didn’t mention the auction house, nor who has or hasn’t been paid as I didn’t consider it relevant to the reason for the post.

Can only imagine with its sub grades, the card was cracked out and sent to PSA.

bloodwings19 · 11-02-2021, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

I’m sure it wasn’t
So why not say it?
And why not clarify who has been paid? Are they doing a chargeback to Goldin who is now charging back the seller? What is going on exactly?
Not you obviously

The money is between the credit card company and the auction house. And in all likelihood, the credit card company takes the loss. I don't see how the owner of the card has not been paid, the liability ends when the card is sold. Just like selling an automobile to the car dealer. All the dents, or previous accidents on the car is the dealer's liability unless there is something that isn't reported properly.

BRAVEHEART · 11-02-2021, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

I feel like if you’re going to claim something missing or stolen you should be providing all relevant details but I guess not…

I have provided all relevant details. I don’t understand why people need to know who the auction house is or who has or hasn’t been paid.

I was trying to give a warning to potential buyers.

Randallk34 · 11-02-2021, 07:07 PM

How is a respected auction house getting burned by a fake c.c.? Wouldn't you have to verify who you are before being able to bid?

jcardstore · 11-02-2021, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAVEHEART

I have provided all relevant details. I don’t understand why people need to know who the auction house is or who has or hasn’t been paid.

I was trying to give a warning to potential buyers.

Well it was easy to find the auction house so idk why that wasn’t relevant but what it shipped and delivered?

I guess I expect Ken to weigh in here since he usually does in cases like this

mc1 · 11-02-2021, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRAVEHEART

I have provided all relevant details. I don’t understand why people need to know who the auction house is or who has or hasn’t been paid.

I was trying to give a warning to potential buyers.

So youve been paid and want the card when it shows up.

theleica · 11-02-2021, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

So youve been paid and want the card when it shows up.

He wants you to contact him or law enforcement. Nothing else is relevant.

jcardstore · 11-02-2021, 07:42 PM

So here’s what I don’t understand. If the deal was done and paid how does the OP know it was stolen / fraudulently paid for… and why is it the sellers problem anyways?

Goldin should be doing their own KYC and why is OP worried since he should be getting g paid anyways?

There is definitely context missing

pingbling23 · 11-02-2021, 07:44 PM

Should have given all the details and advise to contact golden auctions if found. Law enforcement isn’t going to do anything without a lot more information.

Nomad · 11-02-2021, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by theleica

Can only imagine with its sub grades, the card was cracked out and sent to PSA.

Yet another reason beyond pop count accuracy that grading companies should have scans of each high dollar card that fingerprint them.

mc1 · 11-02-2021, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theleica

He wants you to contact him or law enforcement. Nothing else is relevant.

Just because you type something, it doesnt make it true.

11-02-2021, 05:03 PM	#1
BRAVEHEART Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 90 LUCKYWHITEHEATHER2 SWG	Warning of stolen lebron james 2003-04 chrome card Hello Fellow Card Collectors, I'd like to warn potential buyers of a 'stolen' basketball card. Earlier this year I sent a 2003-04 Topps Chrome Lebron James rookie card # 111, BGS 9.5 (2 x 10 incl centering & 2 x 9.5 subs) to a respected US auction house. The card sold, payment was made to the auction house who then shipped the card to the highest bidder. Unfortunately the bidder used a stolen credit card to pay for it. The BGS Serial Number is 0010501751. PLEASE DO NOT BUY OR BID ON IT. Contact me or law enforcement if you see it for sale. Thank you.

11-02-2021, 05:20 PM	#3
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 62,720 ohiosundevils	I feel like a super key piece of information is missing… why is it missing… __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

11-02-2021, 06:57 PM	#14
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 21,818 Jcardstore	I feel like if you’re going to claim something missing or stolen you should be providing all relevant details but I guess not… __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

11-02-2021, 07:42 PM	#22
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 21,818 Jcardstore	So here’s what I don’t understand. If the deal was done and paid how does the OP know it was stolen / fraudulently paid for… and why is it the sellers problem anyways? Goldin should be doing their own KYC and why is OP worried since he should be getting g paid anyways? There is definitely context missing __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

11-02-2021, 05:18 PM	#2
SGC300ier Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 5,079 sgc_collectiblez	Wow, sleeze balls! Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

11-02-2021, 05:22 PM	#4
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,950 pingbling23	Hopefully the auction house paid you in full and are doing the leg work to get their money back.

11-02-2021, 05:24 PM	#5
theleica Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 4,381	Why is this your problem?

11-02-2021, 06:53 PM	#13
BRAVEHEART Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 90 LUCKYWHITEHEATHER2 SWG	I posted to warn potential buyers that the card wasn’t in the hands of the legal owner and therefore not to bid or buy it to prevent any loss of funds to a buyer. I didn’t mention the auction house, nor who has or hasn’t been paid as I didn’t consider it relevant to the reason for the post.

11-02-2021, 07:07 PM	#18
Randallk34 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 2,000	How is a respected auction house getting burned by a fake c.c.? Wouldn't you have to verify who you are before being able to bid?

11-02-2021, 07:44 PM	#23
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,950 pingbling23	Should have given all the details and advise to contact golden auctions if found. Law enforcement isn’t going to do anything without a lot more information.