Giannis "The Greak Freak" Antetokounmpo Thread

[whiteboybill]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

I think Grayson will be solid.

Bucks have 4 exceptional starters and Grayson just has to find a role and hit 3s. He's been solid.

I hope you’re right!


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[Earvin32]

I checked pop reports on the RWB mosaic and the BWR pulsar at BGS and found 136 mosaics have been graded to 70 pulsars. The mosaic is card #290 while the pulsar is card #98. I don't have access to PSA pop reports so I can't comment on those. Most collectors do not understand the difference in set size and distribution of the pulsar set and prices reflect that. Checking recent sales, the mosaic has sold for between $1900-2500 for a BGS 9.5. One pulsar BGS 9.5 has sold for $2K. A raw pulsar brought in $750 and a raw mosaic sold for $1100 at the end of August. The mosaic is more plentiful and popular (looking at sales) but once collectors understand the more limited nature of the pulsar, prices could change. Maybe since the card is a not a parallel of the regular 300 card prizm set, the pulsar will never catch up to the mosaic version. Time will tell.

Disclaimer: I pulled both back in 2013 and still have both with no plans to sell either.

[mkebucks2001]

Love them both but I think the true parallel has the greatest upside (same #, easier for people to understand. I personally view it as a better looking card as well.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

Love them both but I think the true parallel has the greatest upside (same #, easier for people to understand. I personally view it as a better looking card as well.

Psa 10 pop of 68 for the Mosaic, 51 for the Pulsar.

What doesnt help the Pulsar’s case is that PSA lists these as a completely different set and not a parallel

[phdbeckett]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Psa 10 pop of 68 for the Mosaic, 51 for the Pulsar.

What doesnt help the Pulsar’s case is that PSA lists these as a completely different set and not a parallel

If that is the case, then an argument can be made that the Pulsar is a true rookie, in a set without parallels.

[Earvin32]

I liked the blue area at the top on the pulsar as the blue went better with the green jersey. The Red at the top of the mosaic reminded me of Christmas colors. I thought the Prizm effect popped more on the pulsar. The mosaic reminded me of gold leaf swirls but the Prizm effect was not as pronounced, to me. That is the fun part of the hobby is that we collect what he like.

I think the pop report shows that these are limited with the pulsar being more limited. Total pop of PSA and bgs are 204 for the mosaic and 121 for the pulsar

[mkebucks2001]

Love all the discussions on this. I think it’s clear that there is no bad giannis buy right now. Our man is gonna get his third MVP!

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

Love all the discussions on this. I think it’s clear that there is no bad giannis buy right now. Our man is gonna get his third MVP!

It's only preseason but he does look like he's on a mission.

He has 2 MVPs, DPoY, Ring and FMVP... now I think he might want to shut the door on the best player in the NBA discussion. His jump shots have looked good. He put in some work in the 3 months he was off.

[mkebucks2001]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

It's only preseason but he does look like he's on a mission.

He has 2 MVPs, DPoY, Ring and FMVP... now I think he might want to shut the door on the best player in the NBA discussion. His jump shots have looked good. He put in some work in the 3 months he was off.

Absolutely. I hate to get my hopes up but, seriously, who’s better? More importantly, who’s working harder? And from a card POV, it’s hysterical to me that Luka has continued to outperform Giannis with (almost) no real accomplishments.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by phdbeckett

If that is the case, then an argument can be made that the Pulsar is a true rookie, in a set without parallels.

That's true, similar to the way that starting lineup cards could be considered a true rookie in a set without parallels.



There are probably better examples too.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

Absolutely. I hate to get my hopes up but, seriously, who’s better? More importantly, who’s working harder? And from a card POV, it’s hysterical to me that Luka has continued to outperform Giannis with (almost) no real accomplishments.

I don't follow rookie prices much, but comparing card for card across more recent years Giannis does seem surprisingly undervalued right now. The Bucks should be the favorite to win the East right now IMO with the Nets and 76ers right behind them. I don't trust the Nets to hold it together, and the Bucks are just flat out better than the 76ers right now. I also think he should be right there with Curry, Embiid, Jokic, Durant, and Luka as MVP favorite, and I'd give the early season edge to Giannis just based on where I expect the Bucks to finish.

I can see a couple things holding his prices down. He managed to avoid the 76ers in the ECF and a tougher opponent (on paper) than the Suns in the Finals, and you could argue his physical style isn't likely to age well.

On the flip side to those two points: He took a small market franchise and grew with them and won an NBA title with Jrue Holliday and Khris Middleton as his running mates as opposed to taking the "let's join forces" route. And his game continues to evolve and confidence continues to grow. His shot and ability to distribute are constantly improving, and with how hard he works and how much of an athletic advantage he has over most guys, I don't see a steep drop off coming. I have a tough time seeing anyone age and evolve the way Lebron has, but Giannis might end up pretty damn close.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Earvin32

I liked the blue area at the top on the pulsar as the blue went better with the green jersey. The Red at the top of the mosaic reminded me of Christmas colors. I thought the Prizm effect popped more on the pulsar. The mosaic reminded me of gold leaf swirls but the Prizm effect was not as pronounced, to me. That is the fun part of the hobby is that we collect what he like.

I think the pop report shows that these are limited with the pulsar being more limited. Total pop of PSA and bgs are 204 for the mosaic and 121 for the pulsar

Theres actually 106 RWB Mosaic and 88 BWR pulsars in the PSA pop reports. TJ only posted the 10s.

I seem to remember at some point the Pulsars were a bit more expensive than the mosaic. That probably changed over time as more and more pulsars got graded. I dont know how many Giannis entered the market after the Repacks with the 13-14 Prizm Hobby and Pulsar packs were available for 19.99 for a good while.

[jurule]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Just so everybody remembers...

The last time an NBA game was played, Giannis put up 50 pts, 14 rebs, and 5 blocks and got to lift a trophy afterwards.

A fifty piece chicken mini, not 49...not 51....fifteeee

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[minnesotachill]

I think Giannis cards would be much much higher if he had imposed his will over a powerhouse team like the Lakers.

Going into the playoffs, the Bucks were maybe the 5th or 6th best team, but as the injuries mounted, they rose up to #1

I am hoping we can see the Bucks dominate the league with the rest of the field at full health. Then we will see some real growth in his cards.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

I think Giannis cards would be much much higher if he had imposed his will over a powerhouse team like the Lakers.

I think this is true to a point. Unfortunately, I think market still plays a big part in "relative" apathy to what he's doing. This isn't a "I think Giannis should leave" comment. More so just an expectance of the fact.

[Asian62150]

Bucks are the champs and Giannis was a beast in the 2021 Playoffs. But I think some ppl think last year's champ was more due to attrition than actual skill. Injuries are always part of the equation but ppl think last year had more than normal.

Right now, Giannis should be the face of the league (2-time MVP, current champ, just now entering his physical prime, extremely likable) but it's still LeBron/KD, with Luka on the rise.

If Bucks win another ring in the next 2-3 years, there will be no denying Giannis.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

I think Giannis cards would be much much higher if he had imposed his will over a powerhouse team like the Lakers.

Going into the playoffs, the Bucks were maybe the 5th or 6th best team, but as the injuries mounted, they rose up to #1

I am hoping we can see the Bucks dominate the league with the rest of the field at full health. Then we will see some real growth in his cards.

Well, they beat 2 of the top 4 teams in the league last year. Lakers were bad last year and got knocked out by the Suns. They beat whoever was put in front of them. That should be enough.

[JAMSC]

Season hasn’t even started yet, but I’m feeling a 3rd MVP for Giannis this season. Hopefully to go along with a 2nd title run.

[whiteboybill]

Originally Posted by mc1

Well, they beat 2 of the top 4 teams in the league last year. Lakers were bad last year and got knocked out by the Suns. They beat whoever was put in front of them. That should be enough.

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[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by mc1

Well, they beat 2 of the top 4 teams in the league last year. Lakers were bad last year and got knocked out by the Suns. They beat whoever was put in front of them. That should be enough.

Some championships are weighted differently than others (i.e. 2016 Cavs).

MVPs are the same.

Not saying it is right or wrong, but that's how ppl perceive it.

At the end of the day, Bucks are the champs. The more chips they win, the less ppl will make of this one or that one being due to injury or other circumstances.

[mkebucks2001]

I'm very bullish on Giannis this year. I've been buying like crazy during the off season and already starting to see some good signs in the card market. This Gold Standard went for over $13k last night.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Some championships are weighted differently than others (i.e. 2016 Cavs).

MVPs are the same.

Not saying it is right or wrong, but that's how ppl perceive it.

At the end of the day, Bucks are the champs. The more chips they win, the less ppl will make of this one or that one being due to injury or other circumstances.

This.

We can spin it however we want, but there is a narrative that the Bucks title came against easier competition in the final two rounds. They’re the champs and earned it 100%, but in the speculative card market realm, who you beat and how you did it matters when trying to consider the future possibility of a second, third, fourth, etc. title. There’s a reason the Bucks are third and not first in terms of favorite to win it this year.

The last paragraph nails it, though. Once you start racking up multiples, the who and how hardly matters.

[amiller]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

This.

We can spin it however we want, but there is a narrative that the Bucks title came against easier competition in the final two rounds. They’re the champs and earned it 100%, but in the speculative card market realm, who you beat and how you did it matters when trying to consider the future possibility of a second, third, fourth, etc. title. There’s a reason the Bucks are third and not first in terms of favorite to win it this year.

The last paragraph nails it, though. Once you start racking up multiples, the who and how hardly matters.

On that logic LeBron’s 2020 ring clearly is tainted…

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by amiller

On that logic LeBron’s 2020 ring clearly is tainted…

Tainted? No. And nobody says Giannis' is tainted either.

Does LeBron's 2020 mean less than 2016? Yes. The 2016 win was one of the most significant in NBA history. I think that's the point he was trying to make.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Tainted? No. And nobody says Giannis' is tainted either.

Does LeBron's 2020 mean less than 2016? Yes. The 2016 win was one of the most significant in NBA history. I think that's the point he was trying to make.

Correct.

Also, if you only win 1 championship these days (which is still an amazing accomplishment), your supporters are going to say you got the monkey off your back. Your detractors are going to start nit picking. "Giannis can't do it against a healthy Nets team. The Lakers were hurt, etc..."

The more chips you win, the quieter those detractors become.

If LeBron's only championship was 2020, his fanbois would be saying that chip was amazing because of the mental fortitude it took to win in the bubble. No one has ever done anything like that before! His critics would say he can only win under those unique circumstances. Let's see him do it over a regular 82 game schedule with no 3 month break.

But whatever excuses ppl have for LeBron winning in 2020 are quieted by his 3 other rings, especially 2016.