Rolling Thread for Fake 1991 Topps Desert Shield Cards

[jlklemp]

Originally Posted by BBases31

An incredibly ironic statement in a thread showing multiple fake Desert Shields in PSA holders



You didn't have a different "opinion". What you said was flat out wrong. You implied over and over it's not possible to tell if a card is real or fake from very high resolution scans

Originally Posted by BBases31

BODA is heavily scrutinized, far more than the breadth of PSA's work. They've posted thousands of cards that they called out as being fake or altered. Every card they post gets many eyes on it. People do give BODA the benefit of the doubt, but you better believe that if someone came in on a card with specific, rational refutations of a BODA fake/trimmed callout, that BODA's side would not be blindly taken. In this instance, when you have one idiot saying a FB group of PSA set collectors would disagree but no specific reason, and you saying you can't tell a fake Desert Shield from a scan, well that's as good of a rebuttal as me asking a cat what they think of the card.

Wow, you people just don't get it. I'M NOT CRITICIZING BODA'S ABILITY TO ANALYZE AND BUST OUT FAKES! I'M CRITICIZING YOUR A-HOLEDNESS! You're like a religion/cult and it's like dogma to question anything in the slightest, and any heretic who does so must be destroyed to preserve the religion! That Cali guy made a good-faith comment and sort of disappeared and you're calling him an idiot for daring to have an opinion. Come back down to earth a bit!

[jlklemp]

Originally Posted by pip

It seems there are some in this thread that are extremely threatened by the exposition of fake TDS cards. It is as if they don't want to see any differences between those cards that are counterfeit and those cards that are real. Could it be willful ignorance? Or is it because they have many fake cards in their own collections? They appear genuinely frightened to engage BODA in a point by point discussion.

Another perfect example. Trash the person who *might* disagree with us (I don't disagree, btw). "This guy MUST have a ton of fake TDS cards in his collection because he's arguing with us in any way!" How hard is it to be friendly? Seriously...nobody here is trying to kidnap your children. IT'S A TRADING CARD FORUM!

I'm guessing you're modern-day Leftist activists. The ones who would cancel a never-Trumper just because they didn't disagree with Trump on one completely random, unimportant issue like making shower heads more powerful, for example. Am I right?

[pip]

The TDS counterfeit deniers here seem upset.

[rcmb3220]

One guy: here’s a mountain of evidence and research that informs my opinion.

Other guy: but maybe you’re wrong

[jlklemp]

Originally Posted by pip

The TDS counterfeit deniers here seem upset.

If you're referring to me. I don't deny at all. In fact, I think BODA (and company) nailed it on page 1 of this thread. So why are you still attacking me as a "denier"? Can you acknowledge that my issue is with your communication tactics and not with your TDS authentication tactics?

[jlklemp]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

One guy: here’s a mountain of evidence and research that informs my opinion.

Other guy: but maybe you’re wrong

Are you sure you don't want to change this. You're setting yourself up for a major backlash. Almost sounds like you're saying BODA's commandments are opinion and not law.

[pip]

Originally Posted by jlklemp

If you're referring to me. I don't deny at all. In fact, I think BODA (and company) nailed it on page 1 of this thread. So why are you still attacking me as a "denier"? Can you acknowledge that my issue is with your communication tactics and not with your TDS authentication tactics?

If it is too "rough" or contentious for you, there are calmer discussions elsewhere.

[3XDAD]

Originally Posted by jlklemp

Another perfect example. Trash the person who *might* disagree with us (I don't disagree, btw). "This guy MUST have a ton of fake TDS cards in his collection because he's arguing with us in any way!" How hard is it to be friendly? Seriously...nobody here is trying to kidnap your children. IT'S A TRADING CARD FORUM!

I'm guessing you're modern-day Leftist activists. The ones who would cancel a never-Trumper just because they didn't disagree with Trump on one completely random, unimportant issue like making shower heads more powerful, for example. Am I right?

“How hard is to be friendly?”
Proceeds to call names.
Do yourself a favor and walk away.


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[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Yeah but the Facebook group has guys who have registry sets so there is no need for proof. Plus they are US military veterans. God bless!

and your a douchebag. God bless!

I could see the conflict with many having registry sets and potentially having the actual "called out" cards in their sets. Otherwise, just as certain BODA peeps have hours of research on the stamps....a Desert Shield veteran may have the same in what they brought back personally. But I'm sure that whatever FB group it is, isn't entirely made up of vets just as BODA isn't entirely made up of douchebags.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by jlklemp

I'm guessing you're modern-day Leftist activists. The ones who would cancel a never-Trumper just because they didn't disagree with Trump on one completely random, unimportant issue like making shower heads more powerful, for example. Am I right?

Our friend who thinks you can't tell a fake Desert Shield card from a scan starts ranting about politics and shower pressure . There is a safe space for you somewhere out there

[pip]

Originally Posted by jlklemp

If you're referring to me. I don't deny at all. In fact, I think BODA (and company) nailed it on page 1 of this thread. So why are you still attacking me as a "denier"? Can you acknowledge that my issue is with your communication tactics and not with your TDS authentication tactics?

Well, no, you kind of did.

Here's what you wrote:

That Cali guy made a good-faith comment and sort of disappeared and you're calling him an idiot for daring to have an opinion. Come back down to earth a bit!

Here's that "good-faith" comment from that Cali guy:

Hello all I came onto this forum looking for some DS cards for sale and I started looking at this thread. I would be weary of the OP's ability to judge fakes. The first two BGS 9.5s in this sub he claims are fakes are in fact real.

So if his TDS counterfeit denial is a "good faith" comment, what does that make you?

[superdan49]

A lot of fragile Fionas in this thread. Here's an idea: Let's get back to what this thread is about— posting fake Desert Storm cards.

This is yet another bad Chipper Jones, once again awarded a gem mint grade and slabbed by Beckett. Currently for sale on eBay from seller ne-investments. I checked with 312 and he is in agreement that this bears a fake stamp.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265045688262?


BGS Cert #0009619187

[MoreToppsPlease]

The criminal is only asking $7.5K…what a bargain

[pip]

I don't get it. All of the fakes/counterfeits posted by BODA in this thread have clear differences from the real TDS cards. These are not differences that can be explained away by the amount of gold foil that a card has -- they are wholesale differences in the outline/topography of the design. The size, shape and position of the fronds of the palm tree, for instance, vary significantly on most fakes. How can "hardcore" TDS collectors not see this? Maybe the good ol' boys club on Facebook is so heavily invested in fakes that they just don't want to. They've grown too comfortable in their ignorance.

[pip]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

The criminal is only asking $7.5K…what a bargain

Based on the diversity of cards he's selling, I doubt he is aware.

[gatorupset]

Any help anyone can offer here? This one looks good to me but unsure if I am connecting all the info in this thread to assess it correctly

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38430683637...53.m1438.l2649

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by gatorupset

Any help anyone can offer here? This one looks good to me but unsure if I am connecting all the info in this thread to assess it correctly

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38430683637...53.m1438.l2649

Real.

[gatorupset]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Real.

you guys are the best. found one more this one might be more difficult since the pics are pretty bad
https://www.ebay.com/itm/14418627433...53.m1438.l2649

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by gatorupset

you guys are the best. found one more this one might be more difficult since the pics are pretty bad
https://www.ebay.com/itm/14418627433...53.m1438.l2649

Likely to be authentic. Can’t confirm with those photos.

[gatorupset]

yeah doing my research though there seems to be little info on really spotting the fakes. Especially from online pics because cant measure or anything. I thought both of these look correct but I was really skeptical buying online for this stuff.
I am a desert storm vet and a huge mets fan I am trying to put together a mets team set but noone seems to have these cards where I can actually look at them near me

[pip]

Originally Posted by gatorupset

Any help anyone can offer here? This one looks good to me but unsure if I am connecting all the info in this thread to assess it correctly

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38430683637...53.m1438.l2649

I wonder if there isn't a higher percentage of authentic TDS cards that are sold raw on ebay than of those that are sold graded. It's almost as if collectors should be immediately wary if a TPG has slabbed it.

[gatorupset]

Originally Posted by pip

I wonder if there isn't a higher percentage of authentic TDS cards that are sold raw on ebay than of those that are sold graded. It's almost as if collectors should be immediately wary if a TPG has slabbed it.

certainly possible, I suspect the cards i was looking at though is part of the influence on that. ie slabbed cards that are several hundred or thousand dollars makes a better target for the fraudster, chipper car or ryan much better money than a strawberry

[crossada]

Opinions on This Maddux PSA 10 please

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19442323736...wAAOSwU01hX2tT

[tripncards]

I just digested this entire post. Wow pretty stunning information and heartbreaking to see.

[tripncards]

I’m nervous to even ask. Is there anyone that can please give me their opinion on these two Nolan Ryan PSA 10s I purchased?

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