Would you be in favor of invisible ink on graded cards?

Jaysabz · 10-07-2021, 03:44 PM

For arguments sake, let's say it wouldn't damage the card in any way.

UV ink that would show under a black light that the card had been graded and it's grade. Sort of like those hand stamps you'd get in the club back in the day.

It would let the grading company it was submitted to know it had been graded previously and not to re-grade, or, alternatively, label it with a grade, and note the previous grade or grades and from what company.

There are surely a lot of pros and cons. A card jumping from a 6 to an 8 might scream trimmed / altered, but it could also just be grader error.

What are your thoughts?

CxL · 10-07-2021, 03:46 PM

I want nothing on my cards. Periodt

Giroux · 10-07-2021, 03:49 PM

Good god no

ThoseBackPages · 10-07-2021, 03:49 PM

hard no

Jaysabz · 10-07-2021, 03:52 PM

I'm not for or against, but I'd like more than yes or no - reasons for or against would be appreciated!

Like how Carfax let's you know what has happened to the car. This would let you know more about the card's history.

49erRCCollector · 10-07-2021, 04:26 PM

No, no and no.

Also, no.

glen87 · 10-07-2021, 04:38 PM

no...

rroboo · 10-07-2021, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

It would let the grading company it was submitted to know it had been graded previously and not to re-grade, or, alternatively, label it with a grade, and note the previous grade or grades and from what company.

No, and for this reason.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069

I have graded thousands of cards, kept track of multiple submission results, and have analyzed countless cases of submissions that received results that are statistically impossible. This would just lead to fraudulent activity by gatekeeping certain cards from getting a certain grade.

These are still human graders. I buy only singles and have used grading over the past years as a major contribution to my income. I know how it sounds but I trust my opinion over someone who has to push through cards at a fast rate to maximize profits for the company. You should be able to have a second opinion if your willing and confident enough to spend the money. Until there is a company that is transparent enough to show a card getting graded by AI with accurate results every time, I will keep staying true to this opinion.

KhalDrogo · 10-07-2021, 07:35 PM

The sooner people come to grips with the fact that grading isn’t meant to be perfect, the sooner people will find happiness in the hobby.

rwperu34 · 10-07-2021, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The sooner people come to grips with the fact that grading isn’t meant to be perfect, the sooner people will find happiness in the hobby.

This right here. The average 10 will be in better condition than the average 9 which will be better than the average 8....etc, but there will still be variance within each grade.

Also, no way to the OQ.

CoronaBowl LV · 10-07-2021, 11:29 PM

Grading is subjective. Graders make mistakes.

hauntedcomputer · 10-08-2021, 09:51 AM

Less interested in the grading shell games people play versus having them discreetly watermarked by the manufacturer so that thieves can be arrested.

YayNJ · 10-09-2021, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The sooner people come to grips with the fact that grading isn’t meant to be perfect, the sooner people will find happiness in the hobby.

aren't you the guy that spends his entire life trashing grading companies and shilling PSA?

justrun7 · 10-09-2021, 07:50 PM

PSA already does this with game used bats. It wouldn't be surprising for them to use it in other areas as well.

Arianny_Fan · 10-09-2021, 11:27 PM

Noone here wants stamps on their cards unless it's of a fake auto that grades a PSA 10

dictoresno · 10-10-2021, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justrun7

PSA already does this with game used bats. It wouldn't be surprising for them to use it in other areas as well.

https://www.psacard.com/services/int...authentication

I doubt people realize it honestly. I own a few "in the presence" certified cards. I wonder if they are laced with the ink. I can send a message/email and find out if the masses want.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 10-10-2021, 06:29 AM

100% no.

Onepocketj · 10-10-2021, 11:22 AM

I'd say no because there are cards that legitimately should be resubbed.
I've bought quite a few cards that got a bad grade because of a fingerprint on the chrome surface or a smudge that was easily wiped off. No way those grades should be locked in place because someone didn't know how to submit or was to lazy to look at the card beforehand.

trmpetyjo · 10-10-2021, 01:21 PM

Grading is ONLY an opinion. That's all, just someone's opinion on condition and authenticity! It just so happens that some people value some opinions more than others and prices reflect that, but when it's all said and done it's just someone's opinion. I definitely don't want the people giving me an opinion putting a mark on cards or items invisible or not.

10-07-2021, 03:44 PM	#1
Jaysabz Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Greater Philadelphia Area Posts: 4,375 jaysabz	Would you be in favor of invisible ink on graded cards? For arguments sake, let's say it wouldn't damage the card in any way. UV ink that would show under a black light that the card had been graded and it's grade. Sort of like those hand stamps you'd get in the club back in the day. It would let the grading company it was submitted to know it had been graded previously and not to re-grade, or, alternatively, label it with a grade, and note the previous grade or grades and from what company. There are surely a lot of pros and cons. A card jumping from a 6 to an 8 might scream trimmed / altered, but it could also just be grader error. What are your thoughts? __________________ Love me some Comics, JRPGs, and Philadelphia Sports! Go Eagles

10-07-2021, 03:49 PM	#4
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,962 ThoseBackPages	hard no __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

10-07-2021, 03:52 PM	#5
Jaysabz Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Greater Philadelphia Area Posts: 4,375 jaysabz	I'm not for or against, but I'd like more than yes or no - reasons for or against would be appreciated! Like how Carfax let's you know what has happened to the car. This would let you know more about the card's history. __________________ Love me some Comics, JRPGs, and Philadelphia Sports! Go Eagles

10-07-2021, 04:26 PM	#6
49erRCCollector Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,861	No, no and no. Also, no. __________________ Will MASSIVELY overpay for: 2002 Fleer Authentix #180, 181 Derek Smith & Zack Bronson AND 2007 Upper Deck Target Exclusive Rookies Autographs #261 Joe Staley #'d to /5

10-07-2021, 04:38 PM	#7
glen87 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: VERMONT Posts: 74,498 glen87 glen87	no... __________________ collecting James Madison University players of all sports JMU cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmucards/ other cards: https://www.flickr.com/photos/glen87/albums

10-07-2021, 03:46 PM	#2
CxL Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,686	I want nothing on my cards. Periodt

10-07-2021, 03:49 PM	#3
Giroux Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: USA Posts: 4,890 cardsgoingup	Good god no

10-07-2021, 07:35 PM	#9
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,489	The sooner people come to grips with the fact that grading isn’t meant to be perfect, the sooner people will find happiness in the hobby. __________________ I love PSA!

10-07-2021, 11:29 PM	#11
CoronaBowl LV Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 234	Grading is subjective. Graders make mistakes.

10-08-2021, 09:51 AM	#12
hauntedcomputer Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: NC mountains Posts: 1,097 hauntedcomputer	Less interested in the grading shell games people play versus having them discreetly watermarked by the manufacturer so that thieves can be arrested. __________________ +++ The market is always right, even when it's dumb. More cards are overgraded than undergraded. Change my mind.

10-09-2021, 07:50 PM	#14
justrun7 Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: New Jersey Posts: 821 justrun7 justrun7	PSA already does this with game used bats. It wouldn't be surprising for them to use it in other areas as well.

10-09-2021, 11:27 PM	#15
Arianny_Fan Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: On a rock in the middle of the sea. Posts: 3,577 basketballfiend	Noone here wants stamps on their cards unless it's of a fake auto that grades a PSA 10 __________________ IG: @basketballfiendcards @ariannycelestecards Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/139631202@N06/albums

10-10-2021, 06:29 AM	#17
MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 14,094	100% no.

10-10-2021, 11:22 AM	#18
Onepocketj Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 22,974 jeflave-0 onepocketj	I'd say no because there are cards that legitimately should be resubbed. I've bought quite a few cards that got a bad grade because of a fingerprint on the chrome surface or a smudge that was easily wiped off. No way those grades should be locked in place because someone didn't know how to submit or was to lazy to look at the card beforehand.

10-10-2021, 01:21 PM	#19
trmpetyjo Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 1,568	Grading is ONLY an opinion. That's all, just someone's opinion on condition and authenticity! It just so happens that some people value some opinions more than others and prices reflect that, but when it's all said and done it's just someone's opinion. I definitely don't want the people giving me an opinion putting a mark on cards or items invisible or not.