Anyone going to the Toronto Sports Card Expo in November?

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by Westwave

So because you don't have an issue with them then everyone shouldn't? What a moronic statement.

Easy there. lol

All i said was it's really not that bad. He compared it to going to a proctologist. lol.

No where did i say someone wasn't entitled to their opinions.

[ejs23]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

...you may have a rules are rules type calling the police for gathering violations.

aka, Card Show Karens

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

Did you look at the election lines to vote? It could be like that to get in the hall to spend your money and do hallway trades.

If the show has decent security you will have proper crowd control, if they hire Barney Fife types then you won't and you may have a rules are rules type calling the police for gathering violations.

I don't think it'll be that bad inside. Inside they're limited to 50% capacity or 1000 people which ever is less and the vaccine passport will be in full effect. The issue will be the lines outside and people wanting to get in.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by smalltown

I don't think it'll be that bad inside. Inside they're limited to 50% capacity or 1000 people which ever is less and the vaccine passport will be in full effect. The issue will be the lines outside and people wanting to get in.

parking going to be another mess if its down in hall 5 or 6. They should put it up in the main hall at the front.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by ejs23

aka, Card Show Karens

Actually, AKA Citizens that actually GAF about Health Orders and respect for others.

[pip]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

And why is that? Are card shows somehow exempt from Provincial PHOs?
What does "it could get ugly if they try" even mean anyway?
If the organizers (who no doubt already know all the guidelines) can't ensure a safe event for all then they have no business even trying to put it on in the first place.

I would estimate we'll be looking at crowds in the 30,000 to 40,000 range for the event. Will the promoters be prepared to limit the show to a little over 1 person per table/booth at all times? (there are roughly 800 exhibitors). I doubt it. That doesn't seem reasonable or workable. Do the math. Let's say each person spends one hour at the show on average. How many total people does that work out to for the weekend if attendance is capped at 1,000 at any one time?

[pip]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

Did you look at the election lines to vote? It could be like that to get in the hall to spend your money and do hallway trades.

It absolutely will resemble that.

If the show has decent security you will have proper crowd control, if they hire Barney Fife types then you won't and you may have a rules are rules type calling the police for gathering violations.

That's why I wrote that things could get ugly. I don't necessarily means fights or arguments. It could just be a massive disorganized mess.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

parking going to be another mess if its down in hall 5 or 6. They should put it up in the main hall at the front.

My thoughts as well.

[pip]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Actually, AKA Citizens that actually GAF about Health Orders and respect for others.

Public and private events in North America are usually regulated wrt politics, not public health.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by pip

I would estimate we'll be looking at crowds in the 30,000 to 40,000 range for the event. Will the promoters be prepared to limit the show to a little over 1 person per table/booth at all times? (there are roughly 800 exhibitors). I doubt it. That doesn't seem reasonable or workable. Do the math. Let's say each person spends one hour at the show on average. How many total people does that work out to for the weekend if attendance is capped at 1,000 at any one time?

None of that really matters to the officials that determine the PHOs and guidelines. Either the event is managed according to the guidelines or it either won't get off the ground or there will be serious consequences if the organizers fail to comply or can't provide proper security measures- plain and simple.
If the overall situation is untenable then just stay away. Those who really don't GAF about public safety concerns or have no respect for others can just enjoy their covid soup-fest and join the ignorant Selfish Bastard Club that demonstrates in front of hospitals, spits on nurses, blames small business operators for complying with vaccine passport protocols, promotes racism or otherwise just puts their own selfish agendas before the good of all.
Hey, I'm all for a great card show and for sure I've missed them as much as the next guy. I typically set up at the Vancouver events as well, and really appreciate and enjoy interacting with other hobbyists. I hope the T.O. show is a success and those that attend have a safe and enjoyable experience.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by pip

Public and private events in North America are usually regulated wrt politics, not public health.

Sure, but there is "usually" not a pandemic in it's fourth wave either so the political point is moot except as it relates to PH and the safety of all.

[Westwave]

If you're vaccinated (As I am) why would you be concerned about anything?

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by Westwave

If you're vaccinated (As I am) why would you be concerned about anything?

Awesome. The majority of us are as well.
The PHOs are there for all, not just the un-vaccinated.
Also, vaccination does not preclude getting the virus. It does not preclude carrying or transmitting the virus. It just makes it less likely you will get very sick or die from it. Or clog hospital ICUs with the purposely un-vaxxed which definitely impacts our public health system and puts the majority at higher risk.
Get with the program.
If you are going to the event I hope you have a great time in a safe environment. You'll more than likely be just fine. Doesn't mean the rules don't apply though.

[Westwave]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Awesome. The majority of us are as well.
The PHOs are there for all, not just the un-vaccinated.
Also, vaccination does not preclude getting the virus. It does not preclude carrying or transmitting the virus. It just makes it less likely you will get very sick or die from it. Or clog hospital ICUs with the purposely un-vaxxed which definitely impacts our public health system and puts the majority at higher risk.
Get with the program.
If you are going to the event I hope you have a great time in a safe environment. You'll more than likely be just fine. Doesn't mean the rules don't apply though.

Weird because I was told by every news outlet and "health professional" that all we had to do was get vaccinated and you would be safe. If the vaccine isn't safe from the virus why would anyone now get vaccinated?

SCIENCE!!!!

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by Westwave

Weird because I was told by every news outlet and "health professional" that all we had to do was get vaccinated and you would be safe. If the vaccine isn't safe from the virus why would anyone now get vaccinated?

SCIENCE!!!!

Any chance on citing the source of the news of that the vaccine was sold as the cure to stop the virus for good?

As for the show and if it gets outwardly out of hand with people? The onus falls on myself to make decisions for my safety whether guidelines are being followed or not. If I feel like there are way too many people and it becomes a risk, I have no qualms with missing out and simply not attending. Its a hobby and a show, thats it.

[Westwave]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Any chance on citing the source of the news of that the vaccine was sold as the cure to stop the virus for good?

As for the show and if it gets outwardly out of hand with people? The onus falls on myself to make decisions for my safety whether guidelines are being followed or not. If I feel like there are way too many people and it becomes a risk, I have no qualms with missing out and simply not attending. Its a hobby and a show, thats it.

I guess you don't own a TV or have internet.

Trust the Science

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by pip

There's no way that can possibly be enforced and it could get ugly if they try. Since this is the first major show in Canada in some time, I expect the crowds to be huge.

Crowds are limited for now. Ontario is due for a passport/QC code system by October. If you don’t have one, you’ll be on the outside looking in.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Any chance on citing the source of the news of that the vaccine was sold as the cure to stop the virus for good?

He can't because the vaccine is not a cure and was never sold as one.
It is preventative to decrease the chances of becoming seriously ill or dying from the virus. Proven by the fact that now more than 80% of those becoming infected and requiring hospital care in ICUs are un-vaxxed.
Apparently having a TV and access to the internet doesn't help the clueless. They'll believe whatever as long as it suits their own agenda.

[k13]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

He can't because the vaccine is not a cure and was never sold as one.
It is preventative to decrease the chances of becoming seriously ill or dying from the virus. Proven by the fact that now more than 80% of those becoming infected and requiring hospital care in ICUs are un-vaxxed.
Apparently having a TV and access to the internet doesn't help the clueless. They'll believe whatever as long as it suits their own agenda.

What % vaxxed are getting covid in Israel if everything is so proven.

[Orangejello727]

This is getting way off topic now.

All I know is the show is going to be packed. Last week in Aurora there was a small parking lot show with 30 tables or show and they have over 250 ppl walk through by noon of a 10a-3p show. Thats a great turn out. An indicator that the Expo will have a lot of people showing up.

I hope they have plans ready.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by k13

What % vaxxed are getting covid in Israel if everything is so proven.

We aren't in Israel so who really cares what their stats are. Don't think it will really impact the Toronto show much.
As for Canada the stats are really accessible to anyone who cares to look or listen.
You saying that the Provincial Health Officers across the country are all in collusion and full of s**t when they say the hospital ICUs are clogged with the un-vaxxed?

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

This is getting way off topic now.

Apologies for getting caught up with trolls. Seems like more and more are coming out from under their bridges these days expecting the world to be back to normal.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Crowds are limited for now. Ontario is due for a passport/QC code system by October. If you don’t have one, you’ll be on the outside looking in.

Any idea if there is a passport provision for those who have natural immunity?

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by pip

Any idea if there is a passport provision for those who have natural immunity?

Not in BC as far as I know, but the TO show would have its own set of Provincial Guidelines.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-l...ired-1.5584895
From this there are only 2 scenarios at this time in Ontario- allergic reaction and if one suffered a mild heart inflammation after receiving their first shot.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-c...ines-1.5572833
Regarding natural or post-covid immunity there is a LOT written on the subject if one cares to look.

[Orangejello727]

You'll need a passport to get in for sure. I was reading about a local business that is shut down as of today for not following the passport rule after they were reported. News came today with a shutdown notice and all reservation cancelled. Im sure they got fined the $750.