Michael Jordan RC, PSA 10, shatters 100k !!! - Page 166

mc1 · 09-19-2021, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kefskala

I have two psa 9’s that have better centering then the one that sold on pwcc. Card had no reason to be a psa 10… someone just paid 262k for a psa 9…just my opinion…and if u look at it I’m sure you would agree…

A card doesnt need 50/50 centering to be a PSA 10.

So your opinion is wrong.

jw8 · 09-19-2021, 11:19 PM

Added some nice fleers over the last week

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

rats60 · 09-20-2021, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc1

A card doesnt need 50/50 centering to be a PSA 10.

So your opinion is wrong.

Today I suspect that you couldn't get a PSA 10 with 60/40 centering. PSA is adapting to hobby trends and I have noticed them being much more punishing of cards with centering issues.

mc1 · 09-20-2021, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rats60

Today I suspect that you couldn't get a PSA 10 with 60/40 centering. PSA is adapting to hobby trends and I have noticed them being much more punishing of cards with centering issues.

kefskala · 09-20-2021, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc1

A card doesnt need 50/50 centering to be a PSA 10.

So your opinion is wrong.

Really unfortunate that when the mighty PSA labels a card wrong and you as a collector cant distinguish correct eye appeal...So PSA is law...sheep mentality and this is way the card only went for 262K.....so I'm guessing that a few collector are able to tell the difference....

pcptrade · 09-20-2021, 06:39 AM

So we are going to see a price range of 260K to 860K for PSA 10's based on eye appeal/centering? That is a huge price range for a high end card.

kefskala · 09-20-2021, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcptrade

So we are going to see a price range of 260K to 860K for PSA 10's based on eye appeal/centering? That is a huge price range for a high end card.

hey I value your opinion but did you get a chance to look at that psa 10 that was sold by pwcc. I guess with a pop of 319 everything makes a difference...

pcptrade · 09-20-2021, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kefskala

hey I value your opinion but did you get a chance to look at that psa 10 that was sold by pwcc. I guess with a pop of 319 everything makes a difference...

Yes, I did. Hence my comment on the wide price range for a PSA 10. If someone asks how much is a Jordan Fleer PSA 10 worth, the answer is $260K to 860K. I just find it silly and funny given the wide price range.

rats60 · 09-20-2021, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Yes, I did. Hence my comment on the wide price range for a PSA 10. If someone asks how much is a Jordan Fleer PSA 10 worth, the answer is $260K to 860K. I just find it silly and funny given the wide price range.

The guy that paid 860k thought he could cross it to a BGS 10. It was also a recently pulled so he was comfortable with its history. A lot of the PSA 10 Jordans are trimmed. It is know that at least one card doctor was buying high grade Jordans and trimming them to try for tens.

pcptrade · 09-20-2021, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rats60

The guy that paid 860k thought he could cross it to a BGS 10. It was also a recently pulled so he was comfortable with its history. A lot of the PSA 10 Jordans are trimmed. It is know that at least one card doctor was buying high grade Jordans and trimming them to try for tens.

Again, I find it funny to see a price range of 260K to 860K and that we have to justify why some PSA 10's are fetching 2-3X premium compared to others even though they are all in the same PSA 10 slab

JeremyNick · 09-20-2021, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Again, I find it funny to see a price range of 260K to 860K and that we have to justify why some PSA 10's are fetching 2-3X premium compared to others even though they are all in the same PSA 10 slab

With the range of what a PSA10 actually is, it makes sense for there to be a range in premium as well. There are obviously examples of a PSA10 not being gem mint visually, but still getting that sweet grade. That is another discussion though. At least PSA seems to not be giving everything a 10 anymore to get the up charge cheddar.

Regardless that $860k is just an outlier.

FT35 · 09-20-2021, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

With the range of what a PSA10 actually is, it makes sense for there to be a range in premium as well. There are obviously examples of a PSA10 not being gem mint visually, but still getting that sweet grade. That is another discussion though. At least PSA seems to not be giving everything a 10 anymore to get the up charge cheddar.

Regardless that $860k is just an outlier.

Exactly. Throw the $860k out. If we do that, where does that put our range? My guess is still broad, but not quite as silly.

pcptrade · 09-20-2021, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT35

Exactly. Throw the $860k out. If we do that, where does that put our range? My guess is still broad, but not quite as silly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

With the range of what a PSA10 actually is, it makes sense for there to be a range in premium as well. There are obviously examples of a PSA10 not being gem mint visually, but still getting that sweet grade. That is another discussion though. At least PSA seems to not be giving everything a 10 anymore to get the up charge cheddar.

Regardless that $860k is just an outlier.

Even if we ignore the 860K and use 500K-ish as the high range, which other high end modern sports card has a 2X price range ( low to high) i.e.100% premium difference for the same grade ?

jw8 · 09-20-2021, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Even if we ignore the 860K and use 500K-ish as the high range, which other high end modern sports card card has a 2X price range ( low to high) i.e.100% premium difference for the same grade ?

I would argue that the 1952 Topps mantle has a pretty wide range based on eye appeal but not sure if it's 2x.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

pcptrade · 09-20-2021, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw8

I would argue that the 1952 Topps mantle has a pretty wide range based on eye appeal but not sure if it's 2x.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

Yes, I had that in my mind and hence was referring to modern era sports card. I am assuming Fleer #57 is considered a modern era sports cards. If you look at Mantle 1952 Topps high grades (PSA 8 to 10), they are all well centered and have similar eye appeal within the particular grade. Mantle 1952 PSA 8 to 10 do not have such variation in grading within a particular grade imo. I agree that the centering and eye appeal can be different in grades PSA 7 and below.

jw8 · 09-20-2021, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Yes, I had that in my mind and hence was referring to modern era sports card. I am assuming Fleer #57 is considered a modern era sports cards. If you look at Mantle 1952 Topps high grades (PSA 8 to 10), they are all well centered and have similar eye appeal within the particular grade. Mantle 1952 PSA 8 to 10 do not have such variation in grading within a particular grade imo. I agree that the centering and eye appeal can be different in grades PSA 7 and below.

Gotcha, yup agreed.
Has anyone seen a #57 BGS 10 as a comparison to the $860k PWCC PSA 10?

edit: HA BGS 10 link
https://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball...a/7120-81211.s

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

kefskala · 09-20-2021, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw8

I would argue that the 1952 Topps mantle has a pretty wide range based on eye appeal but not sure if it's 2x.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

Total of 59 mantles graded from psa 8-10 and very rarely do you see a 9 for sale and forget about a 10, only 3. not sure if this is the same comparison.

jw8 · 09-20-2021, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kefskala

Total of 59 mantles graded from psa 8-10 and very rarely do you see a 9 for sale and forget about a 10, only 3. not sure if this is the same comparison.

I get what your saying but pop count wasn't posed as a consideration in PCPs comment.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

JeremyNick · 09-20-2021, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Even if we ignore the 860K and use 500K-ish as the high range, which other high end modern sports card has a 2X price range ( low to high) i.e.100% premium difference for the same grade ?

Is there a modern card with all the characteristics of the Fleer Jordan? A couple namely, only player RC, most desirable RC in the sport, high enough PSA10 pop that they hit auctions regularly and probably a couple more important characteristics I’m not thinking of.

Not to mention the pandemic doc pump.

rats60 · 09-20-2021, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Again, I find it funny to see a price range of 260K to 860K and that we have to justify why some PSA 10's are fetching 2-3X premium compared to others even though they are all in the same PSA 10 slab

Throw out the 860 and you are looking at a range of 270-345k. That is a pretty normal range considering that not all 10s are equal. Some were submitted long ago under more lenient grading standards. Some were submitted by "favored" dealers who did a high volume with PSA.

FT35 · 09-20-2021, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rats60

Throw out the 860 and you are looking at a range of 270-345k. That is a pretty normal range considering that not all 10s are equal. Some were submitted long ago under more lenient grading standards. Some were submitted by "favored" dealers who did a high volume with PSA.

The sales span months also. Prices can fluctuate quite a bit over time—especially in these market conditions.

Hilton · 09-20-2021, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw8

Gotcha, yup agreed.
Has anyone seen a #57 BGS 10 as a comparison to the $860k PWCC PSA 10?

edit: HA BGS 10 link
https://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball...a/7120-81211.s

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

That bgs 10 fleer Jordan rookie in heritage didn’t meet its reserve price of $60k back in 2014. I recall people on the forums thought it was sheet cut(not pulled from a pack).

ninjacookies · 09-20-2021, 06:26 PM

Seems all the early 86 and 84 Star hypeboi accounts have all but vanished since the parabolic comedown.

jw8 · 09-20-2021, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Seems all the early 86 and 84 Star hypeboi accounts have all but vanished since the parabolic comedown.

I just joined the star fanboi club what am I missing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hilton

That bgs 10 fleer Jordan rookie in heritage didn’t meet its reserve price of $60k back in 2014. I recall people on the forums thought it was sheet cut(not pulled from a pack).

Do we think the bgs 10 clears a million today? I think it smashes a million and may be 2m+.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

DaveedTO · 09-20-2021, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw8

Gotcha, yup agreed.
Has anyone seen a #57 BGS 10 as a comparison to the $860k PWCC PSA 10?

edit: HA BGS 10 link
https://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball...a/7120-81211.s

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

09-19-2021, 11:19 PM	#4127
jw8 Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 2,575 card.dog card.dog	Added some nice fleers over the last week Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk __________________ IG: Card.Dog \| www.Card.Dog

09-20-2021, 06:39 AM	#4131
pcptrade Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 7,630	So we are going to see a price range of 260K to 860K for PSA 10's based on eye appeal/centering? That is a huge price range for a high end card. __________________ Jealousy is a form of hatred built on Insecurity. It's the unhappy and insecure people who show hatred, jealousy and try to bring others down. Instagram:icollector23, Flickr:https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/albums

09-20-2021, 06:26 PM	#4148
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,393	Seems all the early 86 and 84 Star hypeboi accounts have all but vanished since the parabolic comedown. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.