You Bid, You Pay! eBays new policy?

[lauriontj]

Saw this on Instagram. This will be great for the hobby if true. And Yes, I’m sure there will still be a return policy, but overall it’s a step in the right direction. Thoughts?

[rngrdanny22]

We'll just get a bunch more examples of "kids used my card, can you please cancel my bid".

[ThoseBackPages]

not sure how this will help auction buyers

[majestik101]

What's a Payment Upgrage?

[EastonElite]

So many non payers lately, this would be perfect.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by majestik101

What's a Payment Upgrage?

It's pronounced Payment Outrage.

[NYRE2PECT]

That has got to be upgrade, only spelled quite wrong.

[Skipscards]

Great, but not sure how this really accomplishes anything.

[gododgersfan]

I like it, but dispute through paypal and chargeback are still available. Reality of selling on ebay.

[hotcalsun]

In addition to non-payers, hopefully an impact on bid shilling, too.

[rngrdanny22]

It COULD prevent some shill bidding, or bidders that never had intention to pay; however, I just see this causing quite a few more refund requests and/or post-auction cancellation requests.

I see it working like this:

1. scammer places bid on auction
2. scammer wins auction and ebay forces payment
3. scammer claims kids bid on item and asks for refund *** seller can refund here if wanted
4. seller denies refund and mails item
5. scammer receives item and files INAD claim *** seller can ask for return here if wanted
6. seller denies INAD claim
7. eBay sides with buyer, like always
8. scammer keeps card, gets refund, and leaves negative feedback


Yay eBay!

[paparoke]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

It COULD prevent some shill bidding, or bidders that never had intention to pay; however, I just see this causing quite a few more refund requests and/or post-auction cancellation requests.

I see it working like this:

1. scammer places bid on auction
2. scammer wins auction and ebay forces payment
3. scammer claims kids bid on item and asks for refund *** seller can refund here if wanted
4. seller denies refund and mails item
5. scammer receives item and files INAD claim *** seller can ask for return here if wanted
6. seller denies INAD claim
7. eBay sides with buyer, like always
8. scammer keeps card, gets refund, and leaves negative feedback


Yay eBay!

If they really want to crack down and get rid of these awful buyers, they could:

1. Ban bidders that claim accidental(child) bids. You get 1 chance, after that, you're gone. It's not the seller's fault you can't control your kids.
2. Ebay should baseline INAD ratios, like maybe it happens 1 out of 300 orders. Then if a buyer exceeds a certain threshold(say 5% INAD complaints), just ban them. They're either super unlucky or they are chronic complainers that are looking for discounts. Either way, the hobby doesn't need them.

Maybe a 30 day ban at first, then life without parole after that. Their name/SSN gets blacklisted and they can never create another ebay account...ever again.

[JeremyNick]

It won’t make much difference until they ban people and tie the accounts to actual identification.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It won’t make much difference until they ban people and tie the accounts to actual identification.

Bingo! And they won't start enforcing to that extent until another platform passes them up (which may or may not happen). eBay wont make that sort of change until it's too late and they become Blockbuster Video.

[kyle1707]

eBay holds sellers to the highest standards

If eBay wanted to do the same with buyers it’s an easy fix

To sign up for eBay you have to put down a credit card …. Not to be charged .. but to prove who you are …. Or a debit card

1 non payment warning
2 non payment week suspension
3 non payment month suspension
4 th. Gone

Something like that .. people would care. Because they know they can’t get back on

People don’t care now. Because you just get a new email address.

I have friends who have 3-4-5 accounts

[VandyCards]

Might make sniping tougher.

MLB auctions does this. You win, they bill your CC on file. I like that.


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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Bingo! And they won't start enforcing to that extent until another platform passes them up (which may or may not happen). eBay wont make that sort of change until it's too late and they become Blockbuster Video.

In 15 years we’ll get some Netflix documentary with a morbidly obese neckbeard called “The Last Seller”, covering the last guy still selling cards on Ebay.

“People just watch to see when my PSA 10 Prizm Sekou Bass will finally sell. Now those damn kids just shill it for thrills…”

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

It COULD prevent some shill bidding, or bidders that never had intention to pay; however, I just see this causing quite a few more refund requests and/or post-auction cancellation requests.

I see it working like this:

1. scammer places bid on auction
2. scammer wins auction and ebay forces payment
3. scammer claims kids bid on item and asks for refund *** seller can refund here if wanted
4. seller denies refund and mails item
5. scammer receives item and files INAD claim *** seller can ask for return here if wanted
6. seller denies INAD claim
7. eBay sides with buyer, like always
8. scammer keeps card, gets refund, and leaves negative feedback


Yay eBay!

It could also go...

9. fed up seller sues the buyer alleging breach of contract and fraud, asks for $1 mil damages to get ebay's attention
10. buyer is hounded by process server at work and at home
10. case drags on and buyer spends more on legal expenses than they made defrauding the seller (seller will have legal costs too so not for the faint of heart) OR
12. buyer ignores lawsuit and seller gets default judgment
13. seller hires collection agency to collect on judgment

yay lawsuits!

[MoreToppsPlease]

Requiring bidders to cover their bids in advance will definitely result in fewer bids and lower sale prices in general.

So if eBay were to enact this, it would only be on an optional basis.

[BoofBonser26]

The sourcing on this seems thin...an Instagram post whose source is "hobby Twitter" (no actual tweets quoted) "seems to think". Is this potential new policy something folks are aware of from other sources? I'd believe it, it's not wild, just not sure I believe anything imminent from this.

[Cavaliercards]

Considering eBay has said for almost 20 years this would destroy their model I find it interesting they are going this route.

They have said over and over and over again this would make them more like amazon and hurt their core business

[slambam]

I could see returns drastically increasing due to this. Not sure I like it...

[JeffG1954]

Could effect multiple purchases from same buyer over a given period of time.

[arenasmvp]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Requiring bidders to cover their bids in advance will definitely result in fewer bids and lower sale prices in general.

So if eBay were to enact this, it would only be on an optional basis.

This is kind of how I see it too. I run several hundred (comic book) eBay auctions each week, and I have a bunch of longtime bidders who will bid on dozens of listings but sometimes only win once every few weeks.. occasionally, they'll end up winning more than expected in a given week and ask for a little extra time to pay. For people like that, they'd certainly bid less.

As others have said, the fix to this is to really crackdown on bad faith bidders and permanently ban them from eBay once they don't pay for more than a few items. I don't know WHY they refuse to just do this.

[BaseballKing]

As long as they allow a bidder to withdraw their bid at least 24 hours prior to the end I'm ok with it in principle.

I do think it will impact the amount of bids, however. Some people who live paycheck to paycheck may not be able to cover it until the end of the auction or a few days after. Most sellers are ok with a delay as long as you pay. If the system goes to grab the money as soon as the auction finishes those people may not bid.