First Buzz: 2021 Panini Black football cards - Page 2

nabzy28 · 09-03-2021, 05:54 PM

Watched more than a few people get absolutely wrecked opening this on live breaks today.

49erRCCollector · 09-03-2021, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nabzy28

Watched more than a few people get absolutely wrecked opening this on live breaks today.

I believe it.

beavers · 09-03-2021, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nabzy28

Watched more than a few people get absolutely wrecked opening this on live breaks today.

Did you any of the chase cards get pulled? I only saw 1 White Night. 0 timeless moments. 0 super bowl teammates. 0 smoke show. Etc. The breaks were very rough.

tongo · 09-03-2021, 08:11 PM

Just saw a live break and one of the autos was replaced with a 400 points card. Imagine paying 550 for that. Blood bath

nabzy28 · 09-03-2021, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beavers

Did you any of the chase cards get pulled? I only saw 1 White Night. 0 timeless moments. 0 super bowl teammates. 0 smoke show. Etc. The breaks were very rough.

I don't remember seeing any of those pulled.

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Originally Posted by tongo

Just saw a live break and one of the autos was replaced with a 400 points card. Imagine paying 550 for that. Blood bath

One box had a 250 point redemption in there.

beavers · 09-03-2021, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tongo

Just saw a live break and one of the autos was replaced with a 400 points card. Imagine paying 550 for that. Blood bath

I had the Seahawks in a case break and there were three 250 point cards. (Also this was about the worst ran break I have ever seen.)

https://youtu.be/erSwdJF-jAg

Wildcat55 · 09-03-2021, 09:06 PM

Layton is braking a bunch of cases now…it is brutal. Fields was a redemption and the way Panini fills redemptions, good luck with that.

Just watched one box with a 250 point redemption and a Dyami Brown auto….sigh

majestik101 · 09-03-2021, 09:20 PM

Brutal. Watched a few case breaks, I'm seeing tons of points redemptions and cards with condition issues also one box I saw opened was shorted a hit....

Absolute Garbage

beavers · 09-04-2021, 12:17 AM

I still think some of the singles are awesome, but the odds are awful.
(Not my cards)

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cardsin47 · 09-04-2021, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

These have THE WORST edges and dinged corners of any Panini product. Impossible to get a nice quality card IMO.

Would most of you agree with this?
It’s an important factor in the desirability of the unopened wax ….

k13 · 09-04-2021, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

Would most of you agree with this?
It’s an important factor in the desirability of the unopened wax ….

Any thick card sets will be condition sensitive.

All exquisite/cup somehow have desirability still...right
Obviously these type of sets are not rip grade flip.

Some people want hard signed nice cards and that will always come condition issues.

HeadstrongRSS · 09-04-2021, 08:27 AM

Worst conditioned cards in any product ever.

jplarson · 09-04-2021, 10:11 AM

Smokeshow.... worst use of an insert name since 2020 Phoenix Phoenician.

oldgoldy97 · 09-04-2021, 11:25 AM

Who’s paying these stupid prices?

SethMurphy · 09-04-2021, 11:33 AM

One of my favorite boxes yesterday had three hits of Anthony Schwartz, Jake Funk and Kellen Mond...........

let that sink in.........

49erRCCollector · 09-04-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

Worst conditioned cards in any product ever.

This.

Right out the box they look like they've been sitting, un-penny sleeved, in a common box for 10 years.

I bought a /75 rookie last year - it was horrendous.

Save your money for Obsidian if you like the black theme.

imbluestreak23 · 09-10-2021, 05:25 PM

Don't care about the prices of wax as I'll never pay today's asking prices but the SSP inserts are incredible. One Patty down, one more to go.

vollybal · 09-11-2021, 08:05 AM

So, does anyone know the print run on the SSP inserts?

beavers · 09-11-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by vollybal

So, does anyone know the print run on the SSP inserts?

White Night seems to be every 4 cases or so. I watched 8 cases break and saw 2 come out. FWIW

imbluestreak23 · 09-11-2021, 11:27 AM

Any if you all that watch breaks how about forcefield? Those seem much more rare than white night

cardsin47 · 09-11-2021, 11:45 AM

As a sealed wax collector, a low gem rate is something desirable. However, a low gem rate can be due to 2 different reasons, and only 1 is ok:

1. Condition sensitive ( good )
2. Poor quality control / poorly produced product ( bad )

Sounds like this product suffers from my #2 reason, correct?

armyatc22 · 09-11-2021, 12:05 PM

I agree the SSPs are beautiful

vollybal · 09-11-2021, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Any if you all that watch breaks how about forcefield? Those seem much more rare than white night

I have noticed that as well...The checklist has half the number of cards for Forcefields(20) as the White nights and regulators, both 40.

On Ebay the number of ForceFields are less the other two as well.

09-03-2021, 05:54 PM	#26
nabzy28 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In a warehouse of common sense Posts: 7,319 nabzy28	Watched more than a few people get absolutely wrecked opening this on live breaks today. __________________ Sent from my Danger Hiptop T-Mobile Sidekick in 2002

09-03-2021, 09:06 PM	#32
Wildcat55 Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 344	Layton is braking a bunch of cases now…it is brutal. Fields was a redemption and the way Panini fills redemptions, good luck with that. Just watched one box with a 250 point redemption and a Dyami Brown auto….sigh Last edited by Wildcat55; 09-03-2021 at 09:33 PM.

09-04-2021, 11:25 AM	#39
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 53,184	Who’s paying these stupid prices? __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

09-04-2021, 11:33 AM	#40
SethMurphy Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Centerville/Erie, PA Posts: 19,506 smurf_8 sethmurphy	One of my favorite boxes yesterday had three hits of Anthony Schwartz, Jake Funk and Kellen Mond........... let that sink in......... __________________ Twitter - @seth_murphy8 PCs - Ryan Callahan, Reggie Lewis, Funko Pops (a little), a few other things that catch my eye

09-10-2021, 05:25 PM	#42
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 18,159 shortslabs	Don't care about the prices of wax as I'll never pay today's asking prices but the SSP inserts are incredible. One Patty down, one more to go. __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

09-03-2021, 08:11 PM	#29
tongo Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 36	Just saw a live break and one of the autos was replaced with a 400 points card. Imagine paying 550 for that. Blood bath

09-03-2021, 09:20 PM	#33
majestik101 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,526 majestik101	Brutal. Watched a few case breaks, I'm seeing tons of points redemptions and cards with condition issues also one box I saw opened was shorted a hit.... Absolute Garbage

09-04-2021, 12:17 AM	#34
beavers Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 2,358	I still think some of the singles are awesome, but the odds are awful. (Not my cards) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-04-2021, 08:27 AM	#37
HeadstrongRSS Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: WI Posts: 1,390 HeadstrongRSS HeadstrongRSS	Worst conditioned cards in any product ever.

09-04-2021, 10:11 AM	#38
jplarson Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 15,578	Smokeshow.... worst use of an insert name since 2020 Phoenix Phoenician.

09-11-2021, 08:05 AM	#43
vollybal Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 1,323 vollybal	So, does anyone know the print run on the SSP inserts?

09-11-2021, 11:27 AM	#45
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 18,159 shortslabs	Any if you all that watch breaks how about forcefield? Those seem much more rare than white night __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

09-11-2021, 11:45 AM	#46
cardsin47 Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Westminster, MD Posts: 8,761 cardsin47	As a sealed wax collector, a low gem rate is something desirable. However, a low gem rate can be due to 2 different reasons, and only 1 is ok: 1. Condition sensitive ( good ) 2. Poor quality control / poorly produced product ( bad ) Sounds like this product suffers from my #2 reason, correct? __________________ @cardsin47 is Steve Meyer ~ #WaxReturns! PC Gem Mint Factory Sealed 5-Sport Active Player RC & Prospect SCARCE Hobby/ HTA Jumbo/ Retail/ Blaster/ Mega Boxes! ~Trout! Soto! JROD! Wemby! Luka! Mahomes! McDavid! Bedard! Erling!~ Last edited by cardsin47; 09-11-2021 at 12:15 PM.

09-11-2021, 12:05 PM	#47
armyatc22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Who knows Posts: 22,041 armyatc22	I agree the SSPs are beautiful