✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by GMRide27

Fingers crossed - thanks for that response, it does ease my worry just a little bit!

If you haven't gotten a message from SGC (check your spam folder or check your account on their site) it might be worth giving them a call to see if they've gotten it but it's also possible they only pick things up once or twice a week or something...definitely wouldn't freak out yet.

[tblood]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Nice guys finish last.

Originally Posted by TheGZA

Kind of agree....if umps/refs KNOW you're gonna gripe, they don't want to deal with it and that sticks in their mind.



It's stupid, and I hate whiny players, but they get more calls than the nice guys do.

I disagree wholeheartedly. I’ve played a ton of baseball in my life and never came across a single umpire who took advantage of the nice/respectful players by making bad calls against them. Nor do they try harder to make good calls for the whiny players to avoid dealing with a temper tantrum.

Nearly every coach I played for stressed restraint when disagreeing with an ump. You never showed up an ump. Didn’t matter if you were hitting or pitching. If you went too far the ump was more likely to call the next borderline strike against you.

My Grandpa and a couple old-timer coaches always told me that the “respect the ump” mentality came from the notion that they have a damn difficult job and are doing their best. Even when they make mistakes. That mentality has shifted to people believing most umps are on a power trip and deserve to be put in their place.

I get the arguments for removing umps in favor of replay-based calls and computer controlled strike zones. I really hope it doesn’t come to that. Call me old school or an idiot, but I see umps as part of the game. Even with all their missed calls and imperfections.

Back to Ohtani... The way he conducts himself on the field and with umps is simply awesome. Especially in this day and age of overly dramatic reactions. I hope kiddos these days are paying every bit as much attention to his behavior as they are his performance.


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[The_Reverend]

Just got these in and very happy for 10 cards.

[hammertime]

I was watching the Red Sox the other day and Bogaerts gave the ump an earful about a called strike 3 off the outside corner and the exact same pitch to the next batter was called a ball. And it was called a ball the next time Bogaerts came up. Now I'm not calling Bogaerts a "bad guy" and I'm not saying Ohtani should change, I like that he's not a whiner, my comment was just based on what I've seen.

[brios8]

Originally Posted by brios8

I said if Guerrero is hitting for avg + many Homeruns for the next full month and gets the Jays to the playoffs while Ohtani hits a home run here and there and strikes out 2-3 times per game (like today) and doesn't pitch (injured). we might see Vladdy win MVP.. Ohtani is no lock.

I gave Vladdy a 10% shot IN MY OPINION!

if Ohtani plays like the last couple of weeks/games he looks like JOEY GALLO and not an MVP. doesn't mean he isn't fun to watch

HOWEVER--- I did say he is very fun to watch and an amazing player (if he was just hitting he would be even better) only time will tell what happens with him. thinking Vladdy has a shot at an MVP doesn't mean I'm against Ohtani lol.

Like today He is doing the Joey Gallo impression.. 0-3 with 3 strikeouts.. maybe a 4th coming..
Plus we might not see him pitch again this year or at least 100% healthy.. yet he is still a lock?

at this rate he might strike out 50+ times this month with 5 HR and Vladdy could win the Triple Crown.. (unlikely, but possible)

[hammertime]

Cole really has his number tonight...he's bailing out while swinging at pitches outside...

[Rage]

Originally Posted by brios8

Like today He is doing the Joey Gallo impression.. 0-3 with 3 strikeouts.. maybe a 4th coming..
Plus we might not see him pitch again this year or at least 100% healthy.. yet he is still a lock?

at this rate he might strike out 50+ times this month leaving with 5 HR and Vladdy could win the Triple Crown.. (unlikely, but possible)

He's pitching Friday.

Gerrit Cole is striking everyone out today, 13K in 6IP

And btw Shohei for MVP is a lock now that he stole home

[k13]

Originally Posted by moosetequila

MVP!!!!!
Historical Season... just needs to throw a No No

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So he'll be the MVP with the lowest Batting Average ever??

That's historical. Yeah.

[hammertime]

Hopefully he can notch another W on Friday.

[brios8]

Originally Posted by Rage

He's pitching Friday.

Gerrit Cole is striking everyone out today, 13K in 6IP

And btw Shohei for MVP is a lock now that he stole home

Ohtanis latest stats:

.................... AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG
Last 7 Games 23 6 2 2 2 5 11 3 .087
Last 15 Games 51 10 9 3 4 14 22 5 .176
Last 30 Games 97 16 19 5 8 21 38 7 .196


is this really what an MVP looks like?
imagine if he has another month with a .150 avg
to me this is JOEY GALLO like with speed

Pitching he is 8-1 with a 3.00 ERA. that's a great Pitcher, but not CY young or MVP like

awesome what he is doing.. but calling him a lock for MVP doesn't make sense to me...

if he was batting .290 and had a 2 ERA than maybe.. but not right now when he is trending down

it will be a good fight with VLaddy.. if the season ended today I would give it to Ohtani though

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by brios8

Ohtanis latest stats:

.................... AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG
Last 7 Games2362225113.087
Last 15 Games511093414225.176
Last 30 Games9716195821387.196


is this really what an MVP looks like?
imagine if he has another month with a .150 avg
to me this is JOEY GALLO like with speed

Pitching he is 8-1 with a 3.00 ERA. that's a great Pitcher, but not CY young or MVP like

awesome what he is doing.. but calling him a lock for MVP doesn't make sense to me...

if he was batting .290 and had a 2 ERA than maybe.. but not right now when he is trending down

Didn’t you hear? He won the MVP in June right before the ASG. That’s when he was the hottest player on the planet. 2-1/2 months ago. He doesn’t even have enough innings to qualify for leaders in ERA. What he’s doing is really great no doubt. But he hasn’t been MVP caliber in 2 months.


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[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by brios8

Ohtanis latest stats:

.................... AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG
Last 7 Games 23 6 2 2 2 5 11 3 .087
Last 15 Games 51 10 9 3 4 14 22 5 .176
Last 30 Games 97 16 19 5 8 21 38 7 .196


is this really what an MVP looks like?
imagine if he has another month with a .150 avg
to me this is JOEY GALLO like with speed

Pitching he is 8-1 with a 3.00 ERA. that's a great Pitcher, but not CY young or MVP like

awesome what he is doing.. but calling him a lock for MVP doesn't make sense to me...

if he was batting .290 and had a 2 ERA than maybe.. but not right now when he is trending down

it will be a good fight with VLaddy.. if the season ended today I would give it to Ohtani though

Looking at things in baseball on a short term basis doesn’t really work out. For instance in that same 30 day span Vladdy is batting .268 with one more homer than Ohtani and a OPS in the high .700’s.

As you state, not exactly mvp numbers.

[Trueblue]

Players have rough stretches and they figure it out. Ohtani is no different. No one here should be making excuses for him when he's playing poorly and no one should be coming in and hyper focusing on a specific poor stretch to push their own agenda. The overall body of work is what matters. This thread was a much more pleasant a while back, but shortsighted comments from specific members (and those taking the bait) are changing that.

[brios8]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Looking at things in baseball on a short term basis doesn’t really work out. For instance in that same 30 day span Vladdy is batting .268 with one more homer than Ohtani and a OPS in the high .700’s.

As you state, not exactly mvp numbers.

100% right
Yet Vladdy can still win the Triple Crown. and even with that .268 this past month he is still over .310

ALL I AM SAYING IS THEY BOTH HAVE A SHOT... why does that bother many?

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Players have rough stretches and they figure it out. Ohtani is no different. No one here should be making excuses for him when he's playing poorly and no one should be coming in and hyper focusing on a specific poor stretch to push their own agenda. The overall body of work is what matters. This thread was a much more pleasant a while back, but shortsighted comments from specific members (and those taking the bait) are changing that.

I have the same amount of $ in cards of both players..
There is no agenda, and of course it is fun to state facts and compare players.
If you say Vladdy has no shot at an MVP then that would be an agenda.

Also not being able to discuss an MVP battle and just wanting to talk about how Godly a player is, won't be keeping it real.

its Best to see what is really going on.. accepting Ohtani today would be the MVP, but he does have a battle, and if he looses ground and Vladdy steps up he looses the MVP, but he is still an incredible player..

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by brios8

100% right

Yet Vladdy can still win the Triple Crown. and even with that /268 this pas month he is still over .310



ALL I AM SAYING IS THEY BOTH HAVE A SHOT... why doesn't that bother many?







I have the same amount of $ in cards of both players..

There is no agenda, and of course it is fun to state facts and compare players.

If you say Vladdy has no shot at an MVP then that would be an agenda.



Also not being able to discuss an MVP battle and just wanting to talk about how Godly a player is, won't be keeping it real.



its Best to see what is really going on.. accepting Ohtani today would be the MVP, but he does have a battle, and if he looses ground and Vladdy steps up he looses the MVP, but he is still an incredible player..

I was not specifically referring to you

[BaseballKing]

Very nice sub most reverend Reverend. I just got my first one back this week( after being shaken down by fedex for $100). Well done on the Debut cards. I could only get a 9 on those - everything else 9.5 or 10.

If that was your entire sub that's a very nice gem rate. Nice one.

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by brios8

Ohtanis latest stats:

.................... AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG
Last 7 Games 23 6 2 2 2 5 11 3 .087
Last 15 Games 51 10 9 3 4 14 22 5 .176
Last 30 Games 97 16 19 5 8 21 38 7 .196


is this really what an MVP looks like?
imagine if he has another month with a .150 avg
to me this is JOEY GALLO like with speed

Pitching he is 8-1 with a 3.00 ERA. that's a great Pitcher, but not CY young or MVP like

awesome what he is doing.. but calling him a lock for MVP doesn't make sense to me...

if he was batting .290 and had a 2 ERA than maybe.. but not right now when he is trending down

it will be a good fight with VLaddy.. if the season ended today I would give it to Ohtani though

When did Vladdy start pitching? It's not a good fight. Ohtani is having probably the best ever season in MLB. It's not close imo ( at least it shouldn't be).

[moosetequila]

Trying to pull topic back to cards...

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[brios8]

Originally Posted by BaseballKing

When did Vladdy start pitching? It's not a good fight. Ohtani is having probably the best ever season in MLB. It's not close imo ( at least it shouldn't be).

Here comes another member with an Ohtani Agenda who can't see it isn't a lock.

Best season ever?
lol ok

He is doing something no one has ever done before. Because he has won 8 games and has a 3.00 ERA

MVP deserving, sure! but not a lock

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by brios8

Here comes another member with an Ohtani Agenda who can't see it isn't a lock.



Best season ever?

lol ok



He is doing something no one has ever done before. Because he has won 8 games and has a 3.00 ERA



MVP deserving, sure! but not a lock

We get it. You have a contrarian opinion, and you're not necessarily wrong. No need to fan the flames. Vlady is a great batter.

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by brios8

Here comes another member with an Ohtani Agenda who can't see it isn't a lock.

Best season ever?
lol ok

He is doing something no one has ever done before. Because he has won 8 games and has a 3.00 ERA

MVP deserving, sure! but not a lock

We'll agree to disagree. He needs to fall over not to be a lock at this point. If he gets injured tomorrow fair enough. Then it will be Vlads. Just needs to stay on the park to win....imo.

[brios8]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

We get it. You have a contrarian opinion, and you're not necessarily wrong. No need to fan the flames. Vlady is a great batter.

I believe both Vladdy and Ohtani will even improve next season. Thats what's even more special.. its Only good for them to have this type of MVP competition

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Very nice sub most reverend Reverend. I just got my first one back this week( after being shaken down by fedex for $100). Well done on the Debut cards. I could only get a 9 on those - everything else 9.5 or 10.

If that was your entire sub that's a very nice gem rate. Nice one.

That was the entire sub. Trying to move some on the bay. The gold labels moving for $325. Only 11 pop and I have 4.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Very nice sub most reverend Reverend. I just got my first one back this week( after being shaken down by fedex for $100). Well done on the Debut cards. I could only get a 9 on those - everything else 9.5 or 10.

If that was your entire sub that's a very nice gem rate. Nice one.

That was the entire sub. Trying to move some on the bay. The gold labels moving for $325. Only 11 pop and I have 4. The buy was crazy low also.

[BaseballKing]

I have a feeling, and that's all it is, that those who are in not in the Ohtani MVP camp are worried that if he wins MVP he will keep winning them year in year out because no one can do what he does. He'll just need to pitch and bat at a high level and he'll win it every time.