Topps out---Fanatics in

[Aston14]

Originally Posted by JRX

If they paid 10X what topps paid, it wouldn't matter if they brought over all of topps / bowman brands, they wouldn't be able to make back the costs.

Again, the 10X number without question includes the value of the ownership stake the union is getting in the deal.

[Technochocolate]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

The other contracts are going to want a new home and if Panini and Topps are taken down and UD can not afford them. They will have to go somewhere. Fanatics would be the smart play to take them as they are not a startup.

Talking out of ignorance at this point, but Panini and Topps can still exist and function, and in soccer in particular, I'd imagine they can still make solid money. No clue what presence Fanatics has internationally.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by JRX

If they paid 10X what topps paid, it wouldn't matter if they brought over all of topps / bowman brands, they wouldn't be able to make back the costs.

They will get the players to also sign autographs and do NFTs, the valuation can be easily recovered.

[msucollector4]

I could see Fanatics moving mostly away from them cheaper products and focus almost solely on the high end stuff to cater to breakers (or just run their own breaks) and flippers for the most part. So maybe a flagship and then all high dollar

[armyatc22]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

And NCAA

I didn’t read that they got the rights to NCAA however if they were to “get” Panini to merge or all rights then they could automatically have it too

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by smanzari

I mean Topps could literally say "F MLB RC Rules" and just include all the big prospects over the next 4 years as RCs, diluting the initial Fanatics Brand...

This would be great and I hope they do it. I would imagine it's an arbitrary rule.

Originally Posted by Doodlegrass

As a fanatics employee- I can’t disclose what dept or my position - but this is exciting and great designs/ideas are already in the works for the boomers that will refuse to buy because they blindly follow a company that ran out of ideas a decade+ ago

We can easily rule out sales and marketing. If somehow you were, you deserve to get your walking papers.

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

If this is true, which it isn't, congrats on losing a customer . Smooth move random low level employee janitor guy.

No entry-level worker would care to say or even know anything about trading card designs.

Originally Posted by Ike123

So Millionaire players and Billionaire owners are going to make more money as the products get overpriced and overproduced as the target audience shrinks and they drain ever dollar out of the remaining collectors. Sweet!!!

Honestly, this is how I see it going down with new cards. I'm trying to picture a world where kids get more involved but the people in charge are a big part of that. If the Fanatics employee that just blasted a generation of collectors is any indication, the future is bleak.

Originally Posted by pewe

And made their future selves very unhappy

Yup, a poor decision in my eyes if the money was the only factor involved. However, its hard for me to believe there isn't a long game here by Topps when Fanatics offer was made known to them.

[phreakyq]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

All signs point to a company that knows their stuff! Can't wait for more sweet deals like this... maybe they'll start a grading company too since they already have the slabs

and look at this....

https://www.lids.com/yadier_molina_s...8a-VSWYnpon1Ps

either it sold, or they took it down because it was available 2 days ago.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Technochocolate

Talking out of ignorance at this point, but Panini and Topps can still exist and function, and in soccer in particular, I'd imagine they can still make solid money. No clue what presence Fanatics has internationally.

Of course they can still exist and function, but having Soccer for Topps and UFC as the flagship for Panini will be difficult to survive long term.

Do you take the money now and be absorbed or do you wait until your company is worth 1/25th of what it used to be and get absorbed?

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by armyatc22

I didn’t read that they got the rights to NCAA however if they were to “get” Panini to merge or all rights then they could automatically have it too

I am saying if merged they would have NCAA

[theshowandme]

What did Topps do to piss off MLB?

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Flip024

The one release I was looking forward to, 2026 Heritage with the 1977 Topps design, probably won't happen now. Super disappointing news..

Maybe we can convince Topps to release two Heritage sets a year for the next few years so that they can at least get through the 70's......

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

I could see Fanatics moving mostly away from them cheaper products and focus almost solely on the high end stuff to cater to breakers (or just run their own breaks) and flippers for the most part. So maybe a flagship and then all high dollar

Why did I cringe at Fanatics having a breakers tab on their homepage with their 10 employee breakers.

Mike the Mojo Hand
Brad the Best Alexander
Steve the Superb Schwartz

all gloved up wearing Fanatics gear

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

What did Topps do to piss off MLB?

Be poor

[WyoDeacon2K6]

Originally Posted by IntergalacticSp

Topps could do it if the player was currently in college and did not use any logos of colleges. NCAA is under a long-term contract with Panini, and MLBPA would own the likeness of any players under contract in the pros.

One small quibble with this statement: I believe MLBPA represents only players on the 40-man roster. Players under minor league contract have to sign with Topps (or another card company) on their own.

[jjcan]

Short/lomg term plays?

Wait for all the Topps cards next 4-5 years to print and collect Key rcs only? As eventually we collect First year Fanatic cards all over again? (2012 Prizm ish)

Keep flipping modern singles or hold?, since Topps will print to kingdom come to try and get money to buy Women's Soccer, E-sports, licenses and anything else Fanatics does not want?

Stop buying Panini Baseball products, because that's is folding sooner than Topps and the value might just drop even faster than modern topps?

Long term plays?: Buy only key Topps wax to hold sealed, Base, Chrome update, Bowman, no other?

Who will want heritage now, Ginter, Gypsy Queen wax the next 4 years to hold, maybe even mid-High end, can they redeem
autos?

Vintage topps cards will go to the moon now, as more Topps only collectors will focus on collections?

Grading slows down? 1 Company printing, and time for assimilation for all collectors?

Sheesh, at least the boards will be busy with Polls and questions the rest of the summer.

The hobby is alive and buzzing, just sad news for today..

[JRX]

Originally Posted by jjcan

Short/lomg term plays?

Wait for all the Topps cards next 4-5 years to print and collect Key rcs only? As eventually we collect First year Fanatic cards all over again? (2012 Prizm ish)

Keep flipping modern singles or hold?, since Topps will print to kingdom come to try and get money to buy Women's Soccer, E-sports, licenses and anything else Fanatics does not want?

Stop buying Panini Baseball products, because that's is folding sooner than Topps and the value my just drop even faster than modern topps?

Long term plays?: Buy only key Topps wax to hold sealed, Base, Chrome update, Bowman, no other?

Who will want heritage now, Ginter, Gypsy Queen wax the next 4 years to hold, maybe even mid-High end, can they redeem autos?

Sheesh, at least the boards will be busy with Polls and questions the rest of the summer.

The hobby is alive and buzzing, just sad news for today..

I would buy only serial numbered cards the next few years.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Why did I cringe at Fanatics having a breakers tab on their homepage with their 10 employee breakers.

Mike the Mojo Hand
Brad the Best Alexander
Steve the Superb Schwartz

all gloved up wearing Fanatics gear

Or hiring 16 year old hype beasts to break for them on twitch or TikTok

[pewe]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Go for it, but people will complain about Logo Less Trouts in Topps like they complain about Logoless Trouts and Sotos.

Value will not be there, except for some of the dont cares

The difference will be it’s the ONLY place those cards can be found… and I’d guess collectors are buying the player, and not the team logo at that point

Trout has exclusivity with Topps through the rest of his career, for instance


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[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

Man...how much will the 2023 National stink now...

2023 National? I can't wait to see what the blood bath will be like at the 2022 National Topps Q&A.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by pewe

The difference will be it’s the ONLY place those cards can be found… and I’d guess collectors are buying the player, and not the team logo at that point

Trout has exclusivity with Topps through the rest of his career, for instance


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He does, but no one is going to go back to Topps (almost no one) when their MLBPA has equity in Fanatics

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

Or hiring 16 year old hype beasts to break for them on twitch or TikTok

16 Year Old Sneaker Heads

[SaltThrow]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Hi there Mr. Luber. Nice to see you join the forums.

Hahaha that dude peddles in brand worship as hard as anyone out there.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

2023 National? I can't wait to see what the blood bath will be like at the 2022 National Topps Q&A.

Should be easy Q&A

We got outbid

Next

[Technochocolate]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Of course they can still exist and function, but having Soccer for Topps and UFC as the flagship for Panini will be difficult to survive long term.

Do you take the money now and be absorbed or do you wait until your company is worth 1/25th of what it used to be and get absorbed?

Soccer's the one sport that has a chance, IMO, because of the international appeal. But I suppose being the next Upper Deck is the most likely outcome. Which, who knows if that's what they want.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Technochocolate

Soccer's the one sport that has a chance, IMO, because of the international appeal. But I suppose being the next Upper Deck is the most likely outcome. Which, who knows if that's what they want.

Right and UD's valuation has plummeted, so better to get money now.