Topps out---Fanatics in - Page 24

Drew3000 · 08-19-2021, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Based on what I know…the products will look like shiny futuristic garbage.

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This.

BigSeph · 08-19-2021, 05:43 PM

Change is fine, but tradition matters too.

It took a few years for Prizm to establish itself in basketball but once it did, it took off. The first 2-3 years of Prizm weren't great sellers, I remember breaking Giannis rookie-year Prizm by the case as late as 2016, there was SO MUCH of it left unopened and available cheap to breakers.

If anything this will be a golden opportunity for people in the first few years of Fanatics branded cards to get in on the ground floor and capitalize on the penalty for having no tradition in the hobby.

After a few years, magically, there's a history and consistent products and the tradition gets established.

If I were a distributor or reseller of wax, or even a big-time breaker, this would concern me more than it does average collectors. If Fanatics can sell everything online via their store, what do they need the middle man for? Online retail is kind of their thing.

And for the big breakers who have been helping distributors move tons of product in exchange for a discount, how will they mark up these group breaks when everybody is able to see what they bought in for?

I see a lot of opportunity for buying Topps products on their way out (memorabilia dumps, sticker dumps, etc) and a lot of opportunity for buying Fanatics cards before they have established that tradition factor.

Apologies to big breakers and distributors, I think they get hurt the most.

whitmm · 08-19-2021, 05:44 PM

Which company has more capital as a whole, not just in the baseball card world, Panini or Topps? Which company has made Fanatics exclusive boxes in the past?

As much as I love collecting Topps, I think it's a higher chance that we see licenced Donruss, Prizm, Diamond Kings, and NT than the Topps brands continue. And you have the same brands across every major sport

stretcharmstron · 08-19-2021, 05:44 PM

And people thought the JWE was big!

The deal is 14x the size what Topps was...

Cavaliercards · 08-19-2021, 05:44 PM

Maybe Blowout can sell the message board to Houdini after their inevitable downfall (according to some on here)

BBases31 · 08-19-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Same thing Topps has done and Upper Deck has done.

Topps has not yet run the presses too hard on anything in baseball. They are surely over the optimal line with 2021 stuff, but I think it would be a far cry from what a company with no experience in crashing the market in the junk wax era would do

Asian62150 · 08-19-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowbug27

Get something straight. The big money controls this game period. Fanatics would say, take our 10X or we are out entirely. Then you are left with Topps saying why should we pay more, you have no other options.

Of course $$$ controls the game. Totally agree.

But in this case, MLB/MLBPA had a huge voice. Right now, the card market overall is as hot as it has ever been in the history of cards. Record sales are being set all the time.

Worst case scenario, MLB/MLBPA could have either started their own card company or negotiated something with Topps where they take a % of sales.

There was no reason for MLB/MLBPA to just take the Fanatics offer because they "had" to.

Of course, I wasn't privy to any of the negotiations. But if you know you have something incredibly valuable on your hands, you leverage it as best as possible. Maybe MLB did, maybe they didn't. We'll see how it plays out.

Ike123 · 08-19-2021, 05:45 PM

So Millionaire players and Billionaire owners are going to make more money as the products get overpriced and overproduced as the target audience shrinks and they drain ever dollar out of the remaining collectors. Sweet!!!

spuds1961 · 08-19-2021, 05:46 PM

Made it through page 7 anybody got crib notes for however many pages this goes to. Call me a boomer or whatever you like but most likely my collecting little pieces of cardboard are over.

SaltThrow · 08-19-2021, 05:46 PM

"Brand" worship is a disease.

kkart · 08-19-2021, 05:46 PM

It gets much deeper than Topps.
Panini has just lost it's exclusive licensing for NBA and NFL to Fanatics as well.
Something here smells very rotten & this will wind up in the courts fast.

Ray27Ray52 · 08-19-2021, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Doodlegrass

I will personally be ok with that, as it won’t affect my paycheck in any way. And yes, the janitor at fanatics made up a story about being employed there.

But more importantly - you’re the type of person that looks down on people who don’t rank higher than executive and that says a lot - the service industry gets dumped on entirely too much, you flip off your garbage man too?

I don't believe you sir. Not even a little bit.

SaltThrow · 08-19-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spuds1961

Made it through page 7 anybody got crib notes for however many pages this goes to. Call me a boomer or whatever you like but most likely my collecting little pieces of cardboard are over.

So far it's 24 pages of people being bummed out and speculating on what this means for the future.

mwash1983 · 08-19-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Doodlegrass

I will personally be ok with that, as it won’t affect my paycheck in any way. And yes, the janitor at fanatics made up a story about being employed there.

But more importantly - you’re the type of person that looks down on people who don’t rank higher than executive and that says a lot - the service industry gets dumped on entirely too much, you flip off your garbage man too?

So what does this mean, more shiny garbage that isn’t worth anything anymore because it was a fad. Oh wait do you want to make a rookie RPA in every box of fanatics flagship at the cost of $499.99 a box with 2 packs.

Cavaliercards · 08-19-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

Topps has not yet run the presses too hard on anything in baseball. They are surely over the optimal line with 2021 stuff, but I think it would be a far cry from what a company with no experience in crashing the market in the junk wax era would do

Have you seen how many parallels they have added to the Bowman Products and how production on that alone has gone up.

Want to compare number of products from the 2010 to now?

They have run the presses hard just like every company.

pewe · 08-19-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by IntergalacticSp

For those who can't read beyond the WSJ paywall:

"Topps paid the MLBPA $20.4 million last year, the most of any MLBPA licensee, according to the union’s annual report to the U.S. Department of Labor. The NFLPA earned $24.2 million from Panini, according to its latest filing.

Clark wrote in his memo that the undisclosed total value of the MLBPA deal is more than 10 times bigger than any deal the union has ever struck. He added that it is part of a series of recent deals that will generate nearly $2 billion through 2045.

All three unions—the MLBPA, NBPA and NFLPA—will have stakes in the entity that will now have control of the most lucrative sports trading card assets in the country. MLB and the NBA have also struck deals with the new business and will also have a stake."

This makes it sound like the MLBPA can’t do math, and probably doesn’t know how to calculate PV of a revenue stream

And made their future selves very unhappy

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Cavaliercards · 08-19-2021, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

Of course $$$ controls the game. Totally agree.

But in this case, MLB/MLBPA had a huge voice. Right now, the card market overall is as hot as it has ever been in the history of cards. Record sales are being set all the time.

Worst case scenario, MLB/MLBPA could have either started their own card company or negotiated something with Topps where they take a % of sales.

There was no reason for MLB/MLBPA to just take the Fanatics offer because they "had" to.

Of course, I wasn't privy to any of the negotiations. But if you know you have something incredibly valuable on your hands, you leverage it as best as possible. Maybe MLB did, maybe they didn't. We'll see how it plays out.

Fanatics provided them with the most money, so they had to take that offer as Topps could not match it when offered.

Bo knows · 08-19-2021, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ClipsandVols

You come across as a chode. Not really doing Fanatics any favors.

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This made me spit out my drink.
Chode should definitely be said more in everyday conversations.

notoriousrmb · 08-19-2021, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltThrow

So far it's 24 pages of people being bummed out and speculating on what this means for the future.

Isn't that the entire history of this board though?

Cardboard Dawg · 08-19-2021, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltThrow

"Brand" worship is a disease.

So you would just buy any card with a players face slapped on it and an autograph? Leaf would like to have a word with you.

Cavaliercards · 08-19-2021, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kkart

It gets much deeper than Topps.
Panini has just lost it's exclusive licensing for NBA and NFL to Fanatics as well.
Something here smells very rotten & this will wind up in the courts fast.

Exclusive rights to leagues did not end up in courts, this will not either.

Panini lost exclusive, but sounds like they can get a side deal to continue. Will Fanatics let them is the question.

Cavaliercards · 08-19-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike123

So Millionaire players and Billionaire owners are going to make more money as the products get overpriced and overproduced as the target audience shrinks and they drain ever dollar out of the remaining collectors. Sweet!!!

And you will like every minute of it

NYBBFAN · 08-19-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltThrow

"Brand" worship is a disease.

Show me all your pajama cards while sipping a Dr. Thunder.

miscus555 · 08-19-2021, 05:50 PM

Truly saddened by this as I firmly respect and believe in nostalgia. I do not believe in selling out to go with the higher bid even if it’s the new immature kid on the street who wants to throw money out. Baseball card licenses shouldn’t be solely with a single company and I appreciated when a bunch of companies had the license.

I don’t really care what fanatics makes, I won’t give them a single cent.

sonnyday · 08-19-2021, 05:50 PM

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BigSeph Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,772 BigSeph	Change is fine, but tradition matters too. It took a few years for Prizm to establish itself in basketball but once it did, it took off. The first 2-3 years of Prizm weren't great sellers, I remember breaking Giannis rookie-year Prizm by the case as late as 2016, there was SO MUCH of it left unopened and available cheap to breakers. If anything this will be a golden opportunity for people in the first few years of Fanatics branded cards to get in on the ground floor and capitalize on the penalty for having no tradition in the hobby. After a few years, magically, there's a history and consistent products and the tradition gets established. If I were a distributor or reseller of wax, or even a big-time breaker, this would concern me more than it does average collectors. If Fanatics can sell everything online via their store, what do they need the middle man for? Online retail is kind of their thing. And for the big breakers who have been helping distributors move tons of product in exchange for a discount, how will they mark up these group breaks when everybody is able to see what they bought in for? I see a lot of opportunity for buying Topps products on their way out (memorabilia dumps, sticker dumps, etc) and a lot of opportunity for buying Fanatics cards before they have established that tradition factor. Apologies to big breakers and distributors, I think they get hurt the most.

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whitmm Banned Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Wisc Posts: 11,373	Which company has more capital as a whole, not just in the baseball card world, Panini or Topps? Which company has made Fanatics exclusive boxes in the past? As much as I love collecting Topps, I think it's a higher chance that we see licenced Donruss, Prizm, Diamond Kings, and NT than the Topps brands continue. And you have the same brands across every major sport

08-19-2021, 05:44 PM	#579
stretcharmstron Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 250	And people thought the JWE was big! The deal is 14x the size what Topps was...

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Ike123 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 87	So Millionaire players and Billionaire owners are going to make more money as the products get overpriced and overproduced as the target audience shrinks and they drain ever dollar out of the remaining collectors. Sweet!!!

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spuds1961 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Terry,Ms. Posts: 39,582	Made it through page 7 anybody got crib notes for however many pages this goes to. Call me a boomer or whatever you like but most likely my collecting little pieces of cardboard are over.

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SaltThrow Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Posts: 9	"Brand" worship is a disease.

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miscus555 Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 664	Truly saddened by this as I firmly respect and believe in nostalgia. I do not believe in selling out to go with the higher bid even if it’s the new immature kid on the street who wants to throw money out. Baseball card licenses shouldn’t be solely with a single company and I appreciated when a bunch of companies had the license. I don’t really care what fanatics makes, I won’t give them a single cent.

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