Luka Doncic Questionable Autograph Analysis

[dengbang]

Does anyone remember the thread or article where an autograph expert analyzed Lukas signature?

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Lee42

100% agree. I think the reason why he is defending his position so strongly is that the reputational damage he would incur if he were to now come out and say "well I might just be wrong about this" would be just too much.

You have so many seasoned collectors and authenticators who have questioned these LULU autos yet some still keep hanging on to the hope that he signed them despite the mounting evidence against this.

Most of the people who have these "questionable" signatures in their collections have to keep pushing the point that these were "definitely" signed by Luka to ensure the value of their collections/investments stays high.

I've done signings with pro athletes, I've seen signatures change over the years and most athletes see signing cards as a chore.

The players like the money they get paid from signing cards (especially early on before they start getting paid) but most hate doing the actual signing.

I spoke with one athlete I did a signing with and he said his deal for when he was playing in Europe was that the card company would send him 500 stickers to sign each year, he would sign them and then send them back ....none were ever done in the presence of an authorised employee.

I asked him how would the company know if he signed the stickers and he said they wouldn't. He said he could get his wife to sign them and as long as he signed the bit of paper saying they were his auto he got paid.

The only signature Panini cares about is the one on the affidavit that says Luka signed the cards. That is their backside covered.

If we think Luka isn't the only one that may have farmed out the signing of cards and stickers to someone else, then we would all be very naive and deserve what we get.

I have a couple of each version of his signature and I would be just fine with some proof that he didn't sign the Lulus. Maybe Panini would give me a better centered optic holo auto on the second time around.

[RogerGodahell]

I think the examples Lucky provided are pretty good. People are gonna see what they want to see at this point they've drawn their line in the sand. I've seen about 5 different versions of his signature and at least 3 of them we know for a fact he signed them. They all look extremely different. Some are neat, some are scribbly, some are more straight up and down, some have skips in the L's, some have a hard slant to them.

I don't own any Luka autos. I also don't think Panini or Luka are ever going to publicly come out and say that he didn't sign some of his cards. They'd be opening themselves up to 10's of millions in lawsuits. Don't see it ever happening. Collect whatever you like.

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

I think the examples Lucky provided are pretty good. People are gonna see what they want to see at this point they've drawn their line in the sand. I've seen about 5 different versions of his signature and at least 3 of them we know for a fact he signed them. They all look extremely different. Some are neat, some are scribbly, some are more straight up and down, some have skips in the L's, some have a hard slant to them.

I don't own any Luka autos. I also don't think Panini or Luka are ever going to publicly come out and say that he didn't sign some of his cards. They'd be opening themselves up to 10's of millions in lawsuits. Don't see it ever happening. Collect whatever you like.

Couldn't agree more on every point.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

It's honestly laughable how into this you are and how wrong it looks, yet you don't see it.

A skip in a loop of a signature is some kind of concrete evidence? Yet the fact that you can possibly get a skip in a loop any time you do one has no bearing?

Also the fact that that sticker has very upright and shaped u's compared to the genuine signatures means absolutely nothing to you suggests you're in too deep.

The skips are the most compelling evidence that he signed them all IMO. As easy as it is to copy a simple "lulu" cursive signature, there's just no way to imitate those skips identically without messing up the entire signature. If you're actively trying to put a skip in the "l", it won't resemble anything close to a natural skip, let alone his natural skip..

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

It's honestly laughable how into this you are and how wrong it looks, yet you don't see it.

A skip in a loop of a signature is some kind of concrete evidence? Yet the fact that you can possibly get a skip in a loop any time you do one has no bearing?

Also the fact that that sticker has very upright and shaped u's compared to the genuine signatures means absolutely nothing to you suggests you're in too deep.

Yes that skip is evidence to me and many others. Where's your evidence? Saying "hey his u's look different" is not evidence btw considering his unquestioned autos have him signing those u's in several ways.

And keep avoiding this:

It's a simple task Hairy (and all you conspiracy theorists). Which ones did Luka sign and which ones did his mom sign? Look at all those different u's...

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[salthill]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

It's a simple task Hairy (and all you conspiracy theorists). Which ones did Luka sign and which ones did his mom sign? Look at all those different u's...

Pretty straight-forward really. Just go back to the first post.

He probably signed all these….


He probably didn’t sign this…

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

I think the examples Lucky provided are pretty good. People are gonna see what they want to see at this point they've drawn their line in the sand. I've seen about 5 different versions of his signature and at least 3 of them we know for a fact he signed them. They all look extremely different. Some are neat, some are scribbly, some are more straight up and down, some have skips in the L's, some have a hard slant to them.

I don't own any Luka autos. I also don't think Panini or Luka are ever going to publicly come out and say that he didn't sign some of his cards. They'd be opening themselves up to 10's of millions in lawsuits. Don't see it ever happening. Collect whatever you like.

Exactly RogerGodahell. I honestly think many conspiracy theorists don't understand my position at all. They keep pointing to the fact I own Luka autos, even though if you go back to the very beginning of this thread, (yes I'm on page 1)I owned NONE. Only when I was convinced Luka signed them (about 1/3rd of the way through this thread?) did I purchase his NT RPA.

Originally Posted by sethc1020

Couldn't agree more on every point.

Originally Posted by TSonn

The skips are the most compelling evidence that he signed them all IMO. As easy as it is to copy a simple "lulu" cursive signature, there's just no way to imitate those skips identically without messing up the entire signature. If you're actively trying to put a skip in the "l", it won't resemble anything close to a natural skip, let alone his natural skip..

Baffles me how conspiracy theorists disregard the skip. There is a 0% chance someone else is intentionally adding skip every 30th signature. This was the piece of evidence that convinced a forensics expert for Homeland Security to determine Lukas NT RPA auto was real. He had serious doubts about the sticker autos though but maybe he'll change his stance on that now too.

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[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by salthill

Pretty straight-forward really. Just go back to the first post.

He probably signed all these….


He probably didn’t sign this…

Even the top loopy lulu?
So do you think Luka's mom signed all of his sticker autos? Yes some are fatty loopy Lulu's like the one you showed but others are very very different.
Your fatty:
Completely different sticker autos:




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[salthill]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

So do you think Luka's mom signed all of his sticker autos? Yes some are fatty loopy Lulu's like the one you showed but others are very very different.
…
Completely different sticker autos:

Honestly, I don’t care. I don’t own any Lukas. I don’t even collect basketball.
But a football player on the team I do collect has four different autos (and has had all four, simultaneously, since they were drafted). Do I think they signed them all… nope.
What amuses me is the ability of people here to stare at the wall, block their ears and claim definitively that Luka signed every last one of them. (And the effort put into generating evidence to support that opinion could power a small town.)
To answer your question, I think someone else signed the last sticker - the one I posted - to whoever signed the two below it.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by Lee42

100% agree. I think the reason why he is defending his position so strongly is that the reputational damage he would incur if he were to now come out and say "well I might just be wrong about this" would be just too much.

You have so many seasoned collectors and authenticators who have questioned these LULU autos yet some still keep hanging on to the hope that he signed them despite the mounting evidence against this.

Most of the people who have these "questionable" signatures in their collections have to keep pushing the point that these were "definitely" signed by Luka to ensure the value of their collections/investments stays high.

Lol this has nothing to do with reputational damage. Why is it so hard for conspiracy theorists to understand that I truly believe Luka signed all of his autos.

And there are plenty of seasoned collectors who believe Luka signed his autos. Plenty.

Also I bought Lukas NT RPA for $8k and haven't even thought of selling. This isn't an investment for me otherwise I would've "cashed out" a long time ago.

Originally Posted by salthill

To answer your question, I think someone else signed the last sticker - the one I posted - to whoever signed the two below it.

This is why it's difficult having a dialogue with conspiracy theorists... each one has their own hot take. So now Luka signed some of his RC stickers lol ok
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[theLUCKYshow]

Delete

[beavers]

So did he sign these Optic on card autos?



What about these? The stickers look like the bottom optic auto, but the on card is a loopy LULU.





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[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Yes that skip is evidence to me and many others. Where's your evidence? Saying "hey his u's look different" is not evidence btw considering his unquestioned autos have him signing those u's in several ways.

Do you seriously think that a very basic 4-stroke signature L u l u - can't possibly have a skip in it in the same area by multiple people doing it..?

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

And keep avoiding this:

It's a simple task Hairy (and all you conspiracy theorists). Which ones did Luka sign and which ones did his mom sign? Look at all those different u's...

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Some of those look more 'real' than others, but they all look different/better than the stickers. Small, slanted u's are not the same as big, neat, upright ones?
There's literally no point responding to you, you're so far gone at this point.

[WalterAZ31]

the conspiracy theory nuts are still on this?

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

There's literally no point responding to you, you're so far gone at this point.

I always love a quote that can be used by both sides in an argument

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

I always love a quote that can be used by both sides in an argument

I always love ignorant people making themselves look stupid.

I have NOTHING invested here, I'm just using my EYES. How that makes me 'far gone', like the heavily invested Luka boy, I have no idea...

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Do you seriously think that a very basic 4-stroke signature L u l u - can't possibly have a skip in it in the same area by multiple people doing it..?

Why don't you give it a try? Those skips don't come naturally and when you have to force it - the whole sig looks way off.

[hairyangryfella]

Lol, so Lucky told me to "F off" in this thread (deleted by mods) and then decided to find me on IG and message me there telling me I have no clue what he's arguing...

And he's right, I have no clue what he's arguing - Luka sticker autos don't look like his earliest oncard autos, there's very little to argue there IMO.

[2010GBPackers]

BO community: When is someone going to start a "Lamelo Questionable Autograph Analysis" thread? I need that in my life.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Lol, so Lucky told me to "F off" in this thread (deleted by mods) and then decided to find me on IG and message me there telling me I have no clue what he's arguing...

And he's right, I have no clue what he's arguing - Luka sticker autos don't look like his earliest oncard autos, there's very little to argue there IMO.

They deleted that?! At least you know how I feel.

And I was actually following you on IG. I've complimented you on completing your incredible completion of the 12-13 Flawless patch set as I am a COLLECTOR myself. Don't worry I unfollowed you.

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[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

BO community: When is someone going to start a "Lamelo Questionable Autograph Analysis" thread? I need that in my life.

Lol shocker I've started digging into this. One thing I've noticed is that all of the Miles Bridges autos that look like Lamelos NT autos are from 2018 Goodwin. All of Bridges recent autos look quite different. Also, Bridges reposting the IG post and laughing at the similarities seems like a really odd reaction if he did sign lamelos NT rpas. No conclusion just yet but I'm heavily leaning towards #fakenews again.

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[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Lol shocker I've started digging into this. One thing I've noticed is that all of the Miles Bridges autos that look like Lamelos NT autos are from 2018 Goodwin. All of Bridges recent autos look quite different. Also, Bridges reposting the IG post and laughing at the similarities seems like a really odd reaction if he did sign lamelos NT rpas. No conclusion just yet but I'm heavily leaning towards #fakenews again.

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It may be, but it's a hell of a coincidence.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

It may be, but it's a hell of a coincidence.

The image of the LeMelo NT RPA and the Bridges Goudey has been photoshopped. Someone took a different LaMelo NT auto and shopped it on the Bridges card while leaving the #0.

I don't think there's any conspiracy at all. LaMelo just started signing MB for Melo Ball after his 1 year signing hiatus.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Lol shocker I've started digging into this. One thing I've noticed is that all of the Miles Bridges autos that look like Lamelos NT autos are from 2018 Goodwin. All of Bridges recent autos look quite different. Also, Bridges reposting the IG post and laughing at the similarities seems like a really odd reaction if he did sign lamelos NT rpas. No conclusion just yet but I'm heavily leaning towards #fakenews again.

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It’s just Upper Deck/MJ trying to take out Panini so they can get the licensing deal back. 😂