Get the NSCC out of the Donald J. Stephens Convention Center. Please.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by JoeAdam

My favorite drink is half blue moon half summer shandy...so

He's on drugs. Since when did wheat beer go out of style? Shandy and Blue Moon are the two things most likely to appear on tap at a bar/stadium/convention aside from the typical light beers. News to me that they suddenly went out of style

[CardboardCombat]

I had my kid bring a small backpack with a Gatorade and some snacks.

I wasn't going to waste time standing in line for food. That's not why I was there.

[Sets2]

Originally Posted by Timsterino

I have no complaints about the Donald Stephens Convention Center or Chicago. However, it would be nice to have one of these in the South and not always in the North. Orlando would be a perfect location for this convention.

I only have 1 complaint; my feet are DEAD; I was there Tue-Sun, so it's to be expected. I guess all CC have hard concrete floors

Oh, and just to compare it's $18 for 16oz Miller Lite Can at a Philadelphia Eagles Game

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

To continue beating the dead horse year after year, the largest hobby shops like BO, Dave & Adams, Steel City, etc. are all located in the East Coast to Chicago and are not going to pack up as much inventory as they usually take and drive them to the West Coast.

And PWCC, PSA, and Upper Deck are all located on the West Coast....

If some of the big "names" don't want to come South/West, then so be it. Other regional dealers for whom it's not cost-effective to go East will take their place.

It'll still be just as good a show without them.

Ideally, you would end up with something like what the National Council of Arts & Crafts does.....they have their biggest annual show in Baltimore....but also three quarterly shows in Atlanta, Minneapolis, and San Francisco, that are 50% of the size of their "National".

Point being that there are a lot of collectors with A LOT of spending power outside the Northeast/Upper Midwest part of the country who are salivating at the idea of having a big show in their area.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

And that's exactly how it should be. They pay thousands for a booth, hotel accommodations (for their entire staff), travel expenses, promotional items/giveaways, etc. This is the one time where you can totally justify making it easier on the several large east coast vendors who really make the National the success that it is.

I would disagree with the assertion that any specific dealer or group of dealers make the National the "success that it is".

All that collectors really care about it having a huge show with lots of tables to browse. Who those tables specifically belong to is much less important. If dealer A isn't there, then dealer B will take their place.

I'm sure demand for tables at the National far exceeds supply....

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by mfw13

This is the problem in a nutshell....the fact that the NSCC is run by dealers who always put their own interests first.

That's why it's always in the same three places (Chicago/Cleveland/Atlantic City), instead of rotating around the different parts of the country.

Tell me you don't understand that the National is a business first and foremost...without telling me you don't understand its a business.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Tell me you don't understand that the National is a business first and foremost...without telling me you don't understand its a business.

Of course it's a business....but it's a business with many different interest groups (dealers, collectors, investors, auction houses, grading companies, etc.).

What I take issue with is the idea that it should be run solely in the interests of dealers....more specifically, the small group of long-time dealers who make up the NSCC board and decide where the NSCC is going to be held each year.

A more forward and diverse group of decision-makers is needed...

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by mfw13

And PWCC, PSA, and Upper Deck are all located on the West Coast....

If some of the big "names" don't want to come South/West, then so be it. Other regional dealers for whom it's not cost-effective to go East will take their place.

It'll still be just as good a show without them.

Ideally, you would end up with something like what the National Council of Arts & Crafts does.....they have their biggest annual show in Baltimore....but also three quarterly shows in Atlanta, Minneapolis, and San Francisco, that are 50% of the size of their "National".

Point being that there are a lot of collectors with A LOT of spending power outside the Northeast/Upper Midwest part of the country who are salivating at the idea of having a big show in their area.

How well do the TriStar shows do in California and Texas without the big name dealers, distributors, and hobby shops from the East Coast being there? They couldn't even touch the coattails of what the National is. I'm calling the BS flag that anyone would step up because they haven't been.

There are plenty of collectors that don't gripe and whine constantly about the National not being out west and get on a plane or drive to the National in centrally located Chicago. I have tons of friends from Arizona and California who go every year and spend big money.

[upsbroker06]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Of course it's a business....but it's a business with many different interest groups (dealers, collectors, investors, auction houses, grading companies, etc.).

What I take issue with is the idea that it should be run solely in the interests of dealers....more specifically, the small group of long-time dealers who make up the NSCC board and decide where the NSCC is going to be held each year.

A more forward and diverse group of decision-makers is needed...

Then quit complaining about it and organize one. Take the initiative if there is such demand. Atlanta, Dallas, Wisconsin, Nashville, Tampa areas have all organized to have some large regional shows.
One would think if all the people out west are clamoring for a large regional show someone would have capitalized on it by now.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

How well do the TriStar shows do in California and Texas without the big name dealers, distributors, and hobby shops from the East Coast being there? They couldn't even touch the coattails of what the National is. I'm calling the BS flag that anyone would step up because they haven't been.

Tristar hasn't been doing any shows outside of Houston for several years.....but that's on TriStar, not anybody else.

You're telling me that you couldn't get some of the big "East Coast" names to do a "Winter National" show in Vegas on Super Bowl weekend, for example?

Or to do a show in nice sunny LA when it's freezing cold everywhere else?

People need to think outside of the box.....

[notfast]

Originally Posted by mfw13

And PWCC, PSA, and Upper Deck are all located on the West Coast.....

Upper deck didn’t even have a booth.

[Super32]

Saw a guy with one of these waiting in line and just bought one for next year. used the $10 off coupon I got from the Ebay booth to get it for $7!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/29430307226...Cclp%3A2334524

[jjcan]

In a great market ( this year)year the national could easily be held on the West Coast.

But that is few and far between and hard to predict. Card Dealers want something close and drivable to defray costs. The last 10 years, the attendance from 2019 and this year 2021 would of been profitable for east coast dealers the other years would of been expensive
.

The San Diego Comic Con USE to have alot of east coast dealers. Now with many many comic cons around the country there is no need to waste money to sell and set up. and that is always over 120,000 people guaranteed to attend.

You would make more money just attending the convention and getting exclusives, which right now is NOT a big incentive for the National. NSCC People want to shop the 1000s of tables.

If it was west coast you may have 700 -800 decent tables.
last 2006 Anaheim National was bad selection wise.

[Grid]

There just aren't many options to house a show this big. You have McCormack place, which they could rent out for $25K for the entire week. But, the unions in Chicago would bleed you dry for setup fees and such.

While it is a nicer venue, with a beautiful backdrop of the lake and the best parts of downtown Chicago. So many people drive in for the Chicago National, that it would be brutal driving to and from the lake front each day. The walk from the lot to the show is also a pain. The hotels downtown are a lot more money than those is Rosemont.

And just the logistics of having it there, when things like Lolla (which happened at the same time) would be brutal getting to and from the show.

Rosemont sucks. The convention center is worn. But, it's an easy get from the airport or all those hotel rooms. And an easy drive in from most anywhere.

You could get a better space for sure! But all things considered, the Donald E Stephen's just make much, much more sense

[badkarma318]

Just have it on Alcatraz, and have the boomers fight the sneakerboi/flipper kids, a la Battle Royale.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Im triggered that the wall paint wasn't fresh and the seating (while limited) wasn't a recliner. Bring me my fresh sushi bowl, now! This hobby is full of spoiled people.

The only negatives I've actually heard are: I didn't have place to sit my big fat butt while not looking at cards. And...I couldn't eat and drink my way thru the show floor. These sound like personal problems. Not card show problems.

lol this.

does the OP realize points 3-6 were all food related? point 1 was that there wasn't enough space, and point 2 that its too hot...

it definitely wasn't too hot...

the beer take hilarious.

someone triggered about the food at a card show... definitely personal problems and not card show problems. take the food out all together. who the heck eats the garbage there? and furthermore, who cares?

[mankey21]

I don't agree with most of the original post. But, I do think that the continuous Chicago then east coast - back to Chicago needs to take a break and have a National out west.

The answer ?? Las Vegas

Huge convention center(s), more than enough hotel rooms, restaurants ? Oh my. Things to do in the evening ? Everything from family friendly to welllll not family friendly. Easy access from the airport.

[mankey21]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

They should have the show in Phoenix. Would be awesome!

There isnt a convention center large enough in Phoenix

[CardboardCombat]

I don't understand the complaining about the Rosemont location.

It's right by the airport with a bunch of hotels for people coming in from out of town.

For those commuting it's right by quite a few expressways / major roads.

The parking garage is across the street.

OK it has concrete floors. This is a problem? Wear more comfortable shoes.

It's big enough to host the venue with extra space available that they didn't even use.

[Cousin Jethroe]

with a show of this size, you dont have many options in CHI

I think any National in the past always ended up with a list of - " what was wrong"

[Mrhenrychan]

Originally Posted by mrb842

70 percent of the country is w/in a days drive from chicago which makes it accessible for most people and brings more diversity of dealers. You go further east and the people from the western areas have to take another night in a hotel driving there or the show organizers get pressure to move it west.

As far as space goes, there was a ton of un used space there and a lot of larger booths given to dealers who frankly had junk or uninteresting stuff.

And by further East meaning trash I mean Atlantic City...

[Mrhenrychan]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

Just have it on Alcatraz, and have the boomers fight the sneakerboi/flipper kids, a la Battle Royale.

I’m not against this actually...

[Mrhenrychan]

The old Chicago/Cleveland rotation was the best...

In terms of convention center, the Donald is the best venue to hold this event. Rosemont is safe, many hotels around and close to the airport.

I understand Las Vegas has one of the best convention centers in the US but no national dealer will drive out there...

Right now the card market is hot. I’m shocked TriStar and GTSM are not doing more shows...I’m sure they can easily get tables and dealers since you know the collectors will come. I enjoy going to the OC dugout shows...

[regionrat]

Will the guy that wants to get the National out of Rosemont want to get the Wisconsin Dells out of Wisconsin Dells next?

[GreatAlbert]

My reply to 3-6: It’s a card show, not a restaurant.

2: Agreed. It was uncomfortable Wednesday and some of Thursday. But nothing to the point that it would stop me from attending.

1. Huh? The space is just fine. Maybe in a corner it may be a little dark.

Personally, it sounds like you are looking for things that shouldn’t be provided at a card show. Also, it’s Chicago, not Milwaukee. Prices double. I never complain when I travel south to Milwaukee and am charged $5 for water (Miller Lite).