Where does Ben Simmons go next? - Page 14

gomiamigo · 07-15-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Call me when Philly gets a better offer (again I wouldn’t trade Simmons) because they won’t

Love is salary match

PHL will get a better offer whether or not they trade him, and Love is obviously a salary match.
Doesn't mean PHL would ever take him back, at least Dwight was healthy all season.

I was wrong about PHL's ability to just sign Lowry, as mentioned by a 76ers reporter. Or, at least Hollinger says they cannot. So that removes an option.

If they get equal value or close enough that fits the team better with an elite ballhandler/scorer, I would do a deal otherwise just look to add around Simmons and watch Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, possibly Korkmaz continue to develop along with this year's first rounder.

mcgee2134 · 07-15-2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gomiamigo

I don't want any part of Sexton, and Love would be a bench player on the 76ers if he can even play more than 25 games a year anymore.

If you can get Garland, Love, the #3 pick to get Beal or Dame, that'd be one thing, add in Maxey as well. That'd be a fair 3-team deal for a team looking to rebuild.

The Sixers aren't going to get what you think Simmons is worth. Teams aren't going to trade a top 4 pick in this year's draft for him as the top 4 this year have a decent chance of being better than Simmons.

The only way you get Beal or Lillard is if you throw in picks or more assets. Lillard and Beal are definitely more valuable than Benny.

If Simmons is as good as you think he is then the Sixers wouldn't be looking to move him.

daeve · 07-26-2021, 10:57 AM

lol

https://streamable.com/rai653

https://www.libertyballers.com/2021/...asons-end-news

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Report: Sixers haven’t been able to get in touch with Ben Simmons since season’s end

so the man-baby chronicles continue.

BC81 · 07-26-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

lol

https://streamable.com/rai653

https://www.libertyballers.com/2021/...asons-end-news

so the man-baby chronicles continue.

He is currently the most hated man in Philadelphia, he is probably scared to step foot in that city right now.

He’ll pass

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gomiamigo · 07-26-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mcgee2134

The only way you get Beal or Lillard is if you throw in picks or more assets. Lillard and Beal are definitely more valuable than Benny.

I guess you didn't bother to read the 3-4 prior posts where I said they'd need to include: Maxey, maybe Thybulle & also 2 first round picks for Dame.

No need to put words in my mouth on this topic, I've been very clear about what it would take to get teams to move guys like Dame/Beal. Maybe read the thread next time.

Not a single person here or in PHL thinks POR would trade Dame straight up, not even sure why you would say something naive like that.

gomiamigo · 07-26-2021, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

But right now it's mostly a game by Morey to field as many offers as he can get and turn them all down publicly. There will be a ton of teams who would love to take a shot at Simmons (at the right price). Morey just wants that one team to get desperate and over pay.

If Beal and Dame both want to move and Chi doesn't want to re-sign LaVine, Daryl's hand just got a lot stronger.

Kingofkings1281 · 07-29-2021, 08:23 PM

Just lol at them asking for Wiggins, Wiseman, 7, 14 AND two future firsts.

tconte · 07-29-2021, 08:35 PM

As a Sixers fan, I think I would cry if we traded Simmons for Porzingis. Yuk!

daeve · 07-29-2021, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Just lol at them asking for Wiggins, Wiseman, 7, 14 AND two future firsts.

honestly starting to think Morey might be a sadist who really has it out to embarrass simmons as much as possible. Otherwise these really don't make much sense. Not even from a 'start high so they can counter with my actual wants' way.... these are more just straight up headline-making ridiculous, like he wants Ben to see.

RogerGodahell · 07-30-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tconte

As a Sixers fan, I think I would cry if we traded Simmons for Porzingis. Yuk!

As a Mavs fan i don't know if i like the sound of that deal for them either. I'm really not a huge fan of either player tbh. Both of them could use a new team fresh atmosphere though.

Kobefan · 07-30-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

As a Mavs fan i don't know if i like the sound of that deal for them either. I'm really not a huge fan of either player tbh. Both of them could use a new team fresh atmosphere though.

Yeah Simmons is not a fit for the mavs. Previously, they traded shooting for defensive player, and they got worse. Now they are going to add a defensive player with no shooting ability and redundant passing ability.

hairyangryfella · 07-30-2021, 05:13 PM

Given the laughable demands, Simmons isn't going anywhere. But the city will hate on him and there's no way he'll be able to stay with them. Could get very awkward.

dunkindutchmen · 07-30-2021, 08:51 PM

I think he goes to SA for a deal centered around D. Murray and a future 1st, or the Bulls for LaVine and filler. Bulls would probably want another player as well.

The Warriors have the most to offer, but Morey does not want to be the guy that jump starts the Warriors winning another 2-3 titles, so i'm sure their offer would have to be incredible.

drobfan8 · 07-30-2021, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

I think he goes to SA for a deal centered around D. Murray and a future 1st, or the Bulls for LaVine and filler. Bulls would probably want another player as well.

The Warriors have the most to offer, but Morey does not want to be the guy that jump starts the Warriors winning another 2-3 titles, so i'm sure their offer would have to be incredible.

The problem with those offers are:

Dejounte for Simmons does not make Philly a better team. Unless people actually think Dejounte is better. As a Spurs fan I would do that deal easily.

It's not about Morey wanting to jump start the Warriors, it's can he make Philly better. If Philly mess up this Ben Simmons trade it will be hilarious.

oldgoldy97 · 07-31-2021, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

I think he goes to SA for a deal centered around D. Murray and a future 1st, or the Bulls for LaVine and filler. Bulls would probably want another player as well.

The Warriors have the most to offer, but Morey does not want to be the guy that jump starts the Warriors winning another 2-3 titles, so i'm sure their offer would have to be incredible.

Maybe the 6ers will just give Simmons away to the GM with the nicest smile. That sounds about as plausible as Murray or LaVine.

tjforce · 07-31-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Maybe the 6ers will just give Simmons away to the GM with the nicest smile. That sounds about as plausible as Murray or LaVine.

Yessssssss!..

Simmons for Kevin Love it is!

oldgoldy97 · 07-31-2021, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Yessssssss!..

Simmons for Kevin Love it is!

Plus, as Asujbl will attest, those dreamy eyes!

tjforce · 07-31-2021, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Plus, as Asujbl will attest, those dreamy eyes!

Might just be enough to get them to throw in Maxey too.

But I'm going to speak on this and it probably wont get much of a reaction, because I believe the truth lies somewhere between what Blowout thinks and what Morey wants to happen.

The thing to remember about the 76ers is that just over a year ago in the bubble, they got SWEPT in the first round without Ben Simmons.

If you take Ben off this team, they are significantly worse, so you need to get production back in a trade.

The problem is that Morey seems to want a guy who can be a big time scorer...

And a ball handler....

And a good defender...

And young enough....

And under contract for a few years.

There are very few players in the league that fit that bill. The other ask Morey has is for a team to dump ALL their young talent (Cavs). But no team wants to build around Simmons with no talent or picks.

All this being said, everyone knows that Simmons needs to be traded. To me, these outrageous asks are all just Kabuki theater to try to get one of Morey's 2 targets, Lillard or Beal. Those two don't get traded unless they demand out. At that point, Morey pays up whatever he needs to do get it done. If that doesn't happen, I imagine you see multiple deals get done to get Simmons, as well as whatever other piece they don't get in the trade (scorer, ball handler, defender, etc).

Just want a deal to get done already because Simmons in Philly opening night would be ugly.

asujbl · 07-31-2021, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Plus, as Asujbl will attest, those dreamy eyes!

Goosebumps

dunkindutchmen · 07-31-2021, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

The problem with those offers are:

Dejounte for Simmons does not make Philly a better team. Unless people actually think Dejounte is better. As a Spurs fan I would do that deal easily.

It's not about Morey wanting to jump start the Warriors, it's can he make Philly better. If Philly mess up this Ben Simmons trade it will be hilarious.

Well, it's not Murray for Simmons straight up, it would have to include someone like Lonnie Walker or White probably.

But Murray and Simmons have very comparable stats, both are defensive-minded, elite rebounding guards. Simmons edges him with ability to defend all positions, while Murray, of course, has the shooting advantage, a semblance of a decent jumper.

Any gap could be made up for with a draft pick or two.

dunkindutchmen · 07-31-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Maybe the 6ers will just give Simmons away to the GM with the nicest smile. That sounds about as plausible as Murray or LaVine.

Lmao, did you watch the playoffs? Gonna be hard to move a guy who shot under 40% from the FT line and passed up an open dunk vs Trae Young.

asujbl · 07-31-2021, 03:38 PM

Still waiting for a realistic deal that is better than Sexton…

tjforce · 07-31-2021, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

Lmao, did you watch the playoffs? Gonna be hard to move a guy who shot under 40% from the FT line and passed up an open dunk vs Trae Young.

-And is a 3 time all star by age 24
-A top 3 defensive player in the NBA
-Shoots 57% from the field for his career
-And elite passer
-and so it.

It's not hard to move him. Or else there wouldn't be a half a dozen teams making offer.

Trying to move him for the price they are asking is the tough part.

drobfan8 · 07-31-2021, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

Well, it's not Murray for Simmons straight up, it would have to include someone like Lonnie Walker or White probably.

But Murray and Simmons have very comparable stats, both are defensive-minded, elite rebounding guards. Simmons edges him with ability to defend all positions, while Murray, of course, has the shooting advantage, a semblance of a decent jumper.

Any gap could be made up for with a draft pick or two.

I love Dejounte. He has a solid group around him. If you seriously think Philly are a better team by adding him and a pick I'd say you're an absolute fool.

Simmons isn't just a good defender, he's a dominant one and across positions.

I'd love the Spurs to make that trade. Especially seeing as DDR most likely is moving.

Simmons, Keldon and the rest makes for a fun group.

drobfan8 · 07-31-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

Lmao, did you watch the playoffs? Gonna be hard to move a guy who shot under 40% from the FT line and passed up an open dunk vs Trae Young.

He had a horrific post season shooting from the line.

But at least he's shown all season he's 60% and above. If he can give you that it's probably not as scary for most teams..

I still find it hilarious that anti Simmons (not talking about you) guys think that trading Simmons suddenly will be the difference.

They still have Embiid, Doc and Tobias issues also.

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dunkindutchmen Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 997	I think he goes to SA for a deal centered around D. Murray and a future 1st, or the Bulls for LaVine and filler. Bulls would probably want another player as well. The Warriors have the most to offer, but Morey does not want to be the guy that jump starts the Warriors winning another 2-3 titles, so i'm sure their offer would have to be incredible.