The Minor League Daily Thread - 7/14 - Page 2

BaseballKing · 07-14-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

Orelvis with his 2nd of the game with a back-To-back with Miguel Hiraldo. The Jays have so much young talent

They sure do. They will be a force for many year to come.

I have a few Hiraldo Bowman chrome autos in PSA10. Some Jimenez( another young blue Jays prospect) autos in a current sub but only one raw Sterling auto of Orelvis.

Orelvis Bowman Chrome autos were pretty expensive right from the start although I did get his Sterling auto for a steal -$16

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Orelvis looks the best of them at the moment.

BaseballKing · 07-14-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

I like!!

Beautiful card.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-14-2021, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Concerns? The guy is surely a non-event for all but die-hard Red Sox fans.

As a hobby prospect Duran is about as appealing as Victor Victor

Duran is way better than that. Look his 1st Bowman prices too. There’s a small amount of excitement for him. I’m not saying he’ll be a big hobby guy at all, just saying he’s not too shabby.

Syndygaard · 07-14-2021, 09:43 PM

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Tristón Casas HR (6)

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Attawaaay Triston.....2 nights in a row!

Syndygaard · 07-14-2021, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PejaD

And he is going to Tokyo. Only top prospects on Team USA are him, Baz and Woods-Richardson

Nick Allen says hi!

BaseballKing · 07-14-2021, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Duran is way better than that. Look his 1st Bowman prices too. There’s a small amount of excitement for him. I’m not saying he’ll be a big hobby guy at all, just saying he’s not too shabby.

Only because it's Boston.

My comparison with VV was tongue in cheek but his age really does rule him out as a serious prospect.

AcunaCollector · 07-14-2021, 09:45 PM

Alec Burleson HR (13)

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BaseballKing · 07-14-2021, 09:48 PM

2019 Bowman Baseball is already an epic product but 2019 Bowman Chrome could also produce a few big names. Along with 2019 Bowman Draft ( a bit early but also promising) the year 2019 could be one heck of a vintage for Bowman.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-14-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Only because it's Boston.

My comparison with VV was tongue in cheek but his age really does rule him out as a serious prospect.

I agree that his age will limit his hobby love. He has real-life potential to be a solid player though. I’m a Marlins fan (obviously), but I enjoy watching my big Devers and the Red Sox in general. I’m looking forward to his debut.

BaseballKing · 07-14-2021, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I agree that his age will limit his hobby love. He has real-life potential to be a solid player though. I’m a Marlins fan (obviously), but I enjoy watching my big Devers and the Red Sox in general. I’m looking forward to his debut.

No doubt.

I was purely looking at it form a hobby perspective.

Jaypers · 07-14-2021, 10:46 PM

Chris McMahon - 5 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 2 BB, 7 K

Jose Miranda HR (18)

brios8 · 07-14-2021, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jrs865

Mason Martin HR (17)....8 HR’s in last 10 games

Julio Rodriguez Grand Slam HR (8)...2nd at AA.

JROD!!! future #1 Prospect and one who won't pull a Kelenic and be more a Soto

Jaypers · 07-14-2021, 10:54 PM

Sam Huff HR (5)

Alexander Canario HR (9)

WJCIII · 07-14-2021, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

Sam Huff HR (5)

Alexander Canario HR (9)

Huff's homer was 495 feet.

Jaypers · 07-14-2021, 11:53 PM

Zac Veen HR (5)

marterburn · 07-15-2021, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PejaD

And he is going to Tokyo. Only top prospects on Team USA are him, Baz and Woods-Richardson

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Originally Posted by Syndygaard

Nick Allen says hi!

So does Joe Ryan

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

No doubt.

I was purely looking at it form a hobby perspective.

Duran has PLENTY of hobby love. His Chromes are $10-12 ea right now. The ones you may see popping off for less are instant sales, and those will be nonexistent tomorrow. That $10-12 price is double what it was in March -- so not only is is hobby love, it's growing hobby love. Sometimes age does not matter.

Chris Lyle · 07-15-2021, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Concerns? The guy is surely a non-event for all but die-hard Red Sox fans.

As a hobby prospect Duran is about as appealing as Victor Victor

I sort of get what you are saying hobby wise, but to call him a non-event just because he is almost 25 I just can't understand.

rwperu34 · 07-15-2021, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mcwildcats

Concerns on the age? Going to be 25 in Sept.

When I took a look at AAAE last week his numbers stood out. Even accounting for age I had his production as 2nd best behind only Wander, ahead of top prospects Brujan and Downs. I agree with the above poster though. Given his age it is going to be really difficult for him to make noise in the hobby, but he could end up having a solid career.

BaseballKing · 07-15-2021, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I sort of get what you are saying hobby wise, but to call him a non-event just because he is almost 25 I just can't understand.

Non-event was in hindsight harsh.

I get it you're a Boston fan. I get it if you are someone who invests in wax, or has a general financial interest in the hobby as a whole. However, purely from a prospecting point of view his cards are, and have always been, overvalued given his age.

I'm surprised I've got so much pushback on this. Age is the most significant factor in prospecting imo.

Chris Lyle · 07-15-2021, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Non-event was in hindsight harsh.

I get it you're a Boston fan. I get it if you are someone who invests in wax, or has a general financial interest in the hobby as a whole. However, purely from a prospecting point of view his cards are, and have always been, overvalued given his age.

I'm surprised I've got so much pushback on this. Age is the most significant factor in prospecting imo.

I'm not a Boston fan. I personally said I agree with the perspective from a card stand point. But as far as being excited about the player at 25 that makes sense.

VandyCards · 07-15-2021, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Non-event was in hindsight harsh.

I get it you're a Boston fan. I get it if you are someone who invests in wax, or has a general financial interest in the hobby as a whole. However, purely from a prospecting point of view his cards are, and have always been, overvalued given his age.

I'm surprised I've got so much pushback on this. Age is the most significant factor in prospecting imo.

I think baseball talent trumps age, in terms of most important factor.

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marterburn · 07-15-2021, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

I think baseball talent trumps age, in terms of most important factor.

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Dangit, you beat me to the quip. I'm working on a longer post,, lol

marterburn · 07-15-2021, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballKing

Non-event was in hindsight harsh.

I get it you're a Boston fan. I get it if you are someone who invests in wax, or has a general financial interest in the hobby as a whole. However, purely from a prospecting point of view his cards are, and have always been, overvalued given his age.

I'm surprised I've got so much pushback on this. Age is the most significant factor in prospecting imo.

Development.Is.Not.Linear.

No truer case than with Duran. Drafted in 2018 in the 7th round, expectations were low ... but ... he was fantastic from a performance perspective. "Hey let's keep our eye on this guy."

Then he continued that to begin 2019 ... until his promotion to AA, where he was pretty bad. "OK this is who this guy really is, what we though in the first place."

Then he changed his swing in the 2019 off-season -- people knew, but nobody saw it, nobody knew if it would work. There were reports from the alt site that it was indeed, working very well, but seeing is beleiving, and nobody was seeing. "OK OK, let's get him back more squarely on the radar."

Then scouts got eyes on him in Winter Ball and it was time to change outlooks. Power looked like it was going to be a real part of his game. He posted excellent exit velocities. "Uh, this is a dude that looks the part of a everyday major leaguer."

Since then it's been all up arrows -- was excellent in spring, has translaated it to AAA & continues to hit with power.

(ALSO, being drafted in the 7th round in 2018, he hasn't exactly been wallowing in the minors. Outside the 1st round he's something like the 9th player to debut from his draft class -- something like 20th overall.)

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Card prices -- I shy away from using "overpriced" as a term in general -- it seems like a permanant statement where card prices are anything but that -- I like using "too high" or "too low" -- anyhow, I digress. Let's just say that his prices have not always been -- have not always been this high ($10-12 per chrome), or even close to it. Like I said they were $5 in March, and lower than that in December.

Ans his autos are a marked change too -- like many I was wrong on Duran, and sold the two autos I had (Sapphire, Refractor) immediately -- for a total of ~$200.

His base autos look to be, at this second, $180-200. Is that too high? For me, sure. But if he ends up as the next coming of Jacoby Ellsbury -- in this card market, in that (Boston) market, there's definitely room to grow.

LittleJimmies · 07-15-2021, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

Development.Is.Not.Linear.

No truer case than with Duran. Drafted in 2018 in the 7th round, expectations were low ... but ... he was fantastic from a performance perspective. "Hey let's keep our eye on this guy."

Then he continued that to begin 2019 ... until his promotion to AA, where he was pretty bad. "OK this is who this guy really is, what we though in the first place."

Then he changed his swing in the 2019 off-season -- people knew, but nobody saw it, nobody knew if it would work. There were reports from the alt site that it was indeed, working very well, but seeing is beleiving, and nobody was seeing. "OK OK, let's get him back more squarely on the radar."

Then scouts got eyes on him in Winter Ball and it was time to change outlooks. Power looked like it was going to be a real part of his game. He posted excellent exit velocities. "Uh, this is a dude that looks the part of a everyday major leaguer."

Since then it's been all up arrows -- was excellent in spring, has translaated it to AAA & continues to hit with power.

(ALSO, being drafted in the 7th round in 2018, he hasn't exactly been wallowing in the minors. Outside the 1st round he's something like the 9th player to debut from his draft class -- something like 20th overall.)

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Card prices -- I shy away from using "overpriced" as a term in general -- it seems like a permanant statement where card prices are anything but that -- I like using "too high" or "too low" -- anyhow, I digress. Let's just say that his prices have not always been -- have not always been this high ($10-12 per chrome), or even close to it. Like I said they were $5 in March, and lower than that in December.

Ans his autos are a marked change too -- like many I was wrong on Duran, and sold the two autos I had (Sapphire, Refractor) immediately -- for a total of ~$200.

His base autos look to be, at this second, $180-200. Is that too high? For me, sure. But if he ends up as the next coming of Jacoby Ellsbury -- in this card market, in that (Boston) market, there's definitely room to grow.

Good analysis per usual. When I look at Duran's hobby potential, I see Aaron Judge upside. Duran is "old", but if he can deliver on his 30/30+ potential on a contending Red Sox team, he will absolutely become a thing.

reddragonthe · 07-15-2021, 09:43 AM

RE: Duran

We don't have to speculate a ton here... as Marterburn points out, his base chrome is 2.5x what it was. People have already moved to paying extra for his cards. Maybe not a ton... but more.

This board has a lot of loyal readers who are pretty sharp and pay attention to things like age/level and stuff like that. People buying on ebay and other venues see Tweets about the next Red Sox slugger coming up who put up big numbers in AAA. People have a good week and their cards double these days. I think 80% of the buying public will ignore age if he has a good year. And that's plenty.

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reddragonthe Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,359 rddrgnthe	RE: Duran We don't have to speculate a ton here... as Marterburn points out, his base chrome is 2.5x what it was. People have already moved to paying extra for his cards. Maybe not a ton... but more. This board has a lot of loyal readers who are pretty sharp and pay attention to things like age/level and stuff like that. People buying on ebay and other venues see Tweets about the next Red Sox slugger coming up who put up big numbers in AAA. People have a good week and their cards double these days. I think 80% of the buying public will ignore age if he has a good year. And that's plenty.