Where does Ben Simmons go next?

[daeve]

Kings reportedly refusing to include Fox in a simmons deal. Maybe if gomiamigo keeps listing his accolades it'll help, I'm sure Kings' FO just forgot how decorated his resume is...

either way, rumored offer is Buddy, Bagley, and several 1st rounders.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by daeve

Kings reportedly refusing to include Fox in a simmons deal. Maybe if gomiamigo keeps listing his accolades it'll help, I'm sure Kings' FO just forgot how decorated his resume is...

either way, rumored offer is Buddy, Bagley, and several 1st rounders.

To be fair, that offer sucks. Average SG on average contract, expiring rotation players and future protected first rounders (I'm assuming)? Ugh

It's really interesting what's going on with Ben. You have offers like the Kings one, people want to trade him for CJ McCollum (older and never made an All-Star yet some people hate the deal) and people don't think Zach LaVine is enough.

It's all over the place, let's see where it lands.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

To be fair, that offer sucks. Average SG on average contract, expiring rotation players and future protected first rounders (I'm assuming)? Ugh

It's really interesting what's going on with Ben. You have offers like the Kings one, people want to trade him for CJ McCollum (older and never made an All-Star yet some people hate the deal) and people don't think Zach LaVine is enough.

It's all over the place, let's see where it lands.

As a Bulls fan, I don't want to see Lavine go, but I also know he's wasting some good years here. I don't really want any part of Simmons.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by daeve

Kings reportedly refusing to include Fox in a simmons deal. Maybe if gomiamigo keeps listing his accolades it'll help, I'm sure Kings' FO just forgot how decorated his resume is...

either way, rumored offer is Buddy, Bagley, and several 1st rounders.

This is going to be the tough part for Philly... getting a guy that fits their timeline.

They can get a lot of young talent (including picks) from the Kings.

They can get Sexton from Cleveland (plus likely picks)

But right now it's mostly a game by Morey to field as many offers as he can get and turn them all down publicly. There will be a ton of teams who would love to take a shot at Simmons (at the right price). Morey just wants that one team to get desperate and over pay.

Speaking of Cleveland, they've been listed as one of the teams to be in talks.... I would love to see us make the trade, but just for the right price.

The rumor of Sexton, Love, and the 3rd pick is too much.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by daeve

Kings reportedly refusing to include Fox in a simmons deal. Maybe if gomiamigo keeps listing his accolades it'll help, I'm sure Kings' FO just forgot how decorated his resume is...

either way, rumored offer is Buddy, Bagley, and several 1st rounders.

I haven't been following this at all, but I was in the forum, saw this thread (which I've seen many times before) but this time I decided to actually take a moment and think about which team would be a match and what would they give up.

I literally spent 5 seconds thinking about it and this trade came to mind; Buddy, Bagley and some first rounders. LOL!!!

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

To be fair, that offer sucks. Average SG on average contract, expiring rotation players and future protected first rounders (I'm assuming)? Ugh

It's really interesting what's going on with Ben. You have offers like the Kings one, people want to trade him for CJ McCollum (older and never made an All-Star yet some people hate the deal) and people don't think Zach LaVine is enough.

It's all over the place, let's see where it lands.

The value in the deal isn't the average SG on an average contract or the expiring rotation players. The big part of that deal is the future first rounders, which I imagine, considering the level of player Simmons is, wouldn't be protected.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Even with a shorter contract, I'll rather have Zach than Ben.

1 year of Lavine over 4 years of Ben is an interesting take.

GMing like that is why Chicago has been irrelevant the past 6 years.

[gomiamigo]

2 really sh!tty Kangz players for Ben, sure, makes total sense. And protected first rounders who don't fit the Embiid timeline, even better!

At this rate, we'll be lucky to get McConnell and Jeremy Lamb back according to the majority of the FO pundits.

It's shocking how butthurt the morons get when you point out that Ben, by age 24, has had a much better career than the trash they're offering to give up for him.

Of course we all know Ben is the only one who's ever had a bad playoff series. Not like Lebron averaging 2pts in the 4th quarter of a playoff series loss, or completely quitting on his team in multiple series, or not being able to post up JJ Barea [lmao]. And he's definitely the only allstar who's ever missed a lot of FTs.

[Giantrobot]

The Cleveland rumors are the ones that I like best. Sexton, Love and maybe something/someone else (but not #3 pick) is decent.

[gomiamigo]

I don't want any part of Sexton, and Love would be a bench player on the 76ers if he can even play more than 25 games a year anymore.

If you can get Garland, Love, the #3 pick to get Beal or Dame, that'd be one thing, add in Maxey as well. That'd be a fair 3-team deal for a team looking to rebuild.

[brothertona]

If you could somehow get Nance Jr, yes the Love + Sexton deal makes sense.

Originally Posted by Giantrobot

The Cleveland rumors are the ones that I like best. Sexton, Love and maybe something/someone else (but not #3 pick) is decent.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

I don't want any part of Sexton, and Love would be a bench player on the 76ers if he can even play more than 25 games a year anymore.

If you can get Garland, Love, the #3 pick to get Beal or Dame, that'd be one thing, add in Maxey as well. That'd be a fair 3-team deal for a team looking to rebuild.

Love does come off the bench in the playoffs, but he also starts 20 games a year when Embiid inevitably cant go.

And thats another tough element of this trade…. Its not just about playoffs… its also about who will lead this team in the regular season. Theyve typically been a .500 team or better when embiid is out and Ben in. Imagine the lineup of:
Maxey
Curry
Hield
Tobias
Bagley.

Yikes.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by brothertona

If you could somehow get Nance Jr, yes the Love + Sexton deal makes sense.

As a cavs fan ill give up anything but Garland, Okoro, Allen, and #3 in a straight up package.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by brothertona

If you could somehow get Nance Jr, yes the Love + Sexton deal makes sense.

Nance makes 11,000,000 a year so you'd have to do a lot of gymnastics on Philly's side to make the deal work. It can be done (say Philly gives Hill and Curry back... no clue if Philly cares about Curry but I'm sure they don't really about Hill)

Sexton + Love + 1st rounder (future protected) is a pretty decent offer and works under the cap if I was Philly and ready to move on from Simmons and his salary.

I'm a Cavs fan though who isn't a huge Sexton guy... he's very good but to me he's Jamal Crawford... he needs to be about the 3rd best player on your team

Although with Embiid he'd definitely be 2nd right away.

[Zedlaw]

If that Cavs package are an indication of what's on the table, why on earth are you trading Simmons?

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

If that Cavs package are an indication of what's on the table, why on earth are you trading Simmons?

Have you only read the last page of this thread?

I wouldn’t trade Simmons if I was Philly

But I’m in the minority

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Have you only read the last page of this thread?

I wouldn’t trade Simmons if I was Philly

But I’m in the minority

I agree with you, I don't see the point of trading Simmons if these are the types of packages available. If I'm Philly I'm hoping for Lillard, working towards LaVine or just rolling things back next year. Sexton and Love? Get out of here!

I am disappointed Simmons isn't playing in the Olympics. What do you mean you're working on your game? Seems like building some confidence and playing ball outside of Philly would be the best thing for his game. The only reason not to play is to get your body some rest and focus on fitness. Just more red flags that this dude just doesn't enjoy basketball. He's basically the anti Kevin Durant

[tconte]

As a big Sixers fan, these offers scare me. The Sixers could really wind up with garbage.
Ugh!

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by tconte

As a big Sixers fan, these offers scare me. The Sixers could really wind up with garbage.
Ugh!

Pump the brakes a little bit…

Sexton is 22 years old and averaged 24/4/3

He isn’t garbage and I’m not even a huge fan of his as a Cavs guy.

He just can’t be the best player on your team like he wants to be in Cleveland

Cavs are trading him because they’ve been going BPA the last few years to acquire talent. If they had taken Hunter in 2019 (yes I know he went one pick ahead) instead of Garland? They probably aren’t shopping him

Garland and Sexton are both undersized guards. You only need one.

Sexton is really good

It’s just a fit thing with Sexton, Garland, and potentially Green/Suggs

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Sexton + Love + 1st rounder (future protected) is a pretty decent offer and works under the cap if I was Philly and ready to move on from Simmons and his salary.

It's a terrible offer. Love barely plays 25 games a year and avg'd 12 pts on league avg 3-pt shooting. His FTs/g have dropped from 8 to 5 to 4 to 2. He's completely washed.

Sexton is below average eFG%, avg 3FG%, and 4.4 ass't to 2.8 TOs or 1.57x ratio which sucks for a pg, and doesn't rebound. And is supposedly a headcase which is why CLE wants him gone. And he won't get 18.4 shots a game in PHL.

He's the definition of high-volume, inefficient shooter on a bad team. CLE isn't going to be able to dump two guys they don't even want for Simmons.

Why do people think the 76ers would want Kevin Love? He's played 100 games in 3 years, if anyone is going to take Embiid's minutes off the bench and when he rests, he has to be 100% healthy [and very solid] or he's not useful at all.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

If that Cavs package are an indication of what's on the table, why on earth are you trading Simmons?

They won't for a pile of garbage.

I think it's 50-50 he gets traded this offseason. Maybe you keep Ben & add someone at the trade deadline who contributes playoff scoring instead.

Maybe Maxey and Thybulle step up and get the job done in their roles. Maxey played some amazing games down the stretch, move Ben to the 4. If Matisse's shooting improves more this season he becomes much more valuable because you can close games with him instead of Curry.

Maybe somebody trades for Tobias - their high-contract guy with a couple flaws but who fits much better next to Embiid and Simmons, who doesn't need post touches and shoots more 3s.

Maybe Ben figures it out this year, stranger things have happened. He even drained a few 3s finally....

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

I am disappointed Simmons isn't playing in the Olympics. What do you mean you're working on your game?

According to the team he's going to be working on his shot/game all summer instead of playing for AUS which frankly is a great idea imo. Ben doesn't need to risk his health in meaningless games [to the 76ers organization] to prove anything.

He needs to shoot better, and put up more shots. Nothing else matters when it comes to leveling up his game now that he's the best defender in the NBA.

He was shooting 71% FT the first half this season, then 50% the 2nd half, then we saw what happened next. If he fixes that and develops a baby hook, or steps into 12-footers like he did in summer league, that solves all the issues on offense. He needs to actually do it though, and not just in warmups either.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

It's a terrible offer. Love barely plays 25 games a year and avg'd 12 pts on league avg 3-pt shooting. His FTs/g have dropped from 8 to 5 to 4 to 2. He's completely washed.

Sexton is below average eFG%, avg 3FG%, and 4.4 ass't to 2.8 TOs or 1.57x ratio which sucks for a pg, and doesn't rebound. And is supposedly a headcase which is why CLE wants him gone. And he won't get 18.4 shots a game in PHL.

He's the definition of high-volume, inefficient shooter on a bad team. CLE isn't going to be able to dump two guys they don't even want for Simmons.

Why do people think the 76ers would want Kevin Love? He's played 100 games in 3 years, if anyone is going to take Embiid's minutes off the bench and when he rests, he has to be 100% healthy [and very solid] or he's not useful at all.

Call me when Philly gets a better offer (again I wouldn’t trade Simmons) because they won’t

Love is salary match

Simmons is owed 150,00,000 over the next 5

Kind of matters

[oldgoldy97]

Sizzler.

[Springerj23]

Philly wanting Fox in any deal from the Kings. Yeah no shat. I would trade the entire team minus Fox. If I was the kings I would start removing players just to annoy Philly, cause I wouldn’t trade for Simmons. I have watched SEC basketball for 30 years, never understood the love for Simmons. He can’t shoot, it’s the Philly curse, problem is he couldn’t shoot at LSU either. Just look where the Lakers would be right now if they drafted Fox over Ball. Fox, LeBron , AD, nasty….
Granted they might have had to trade Fox to get AD, which is a whole other scenario…
Sorry getting off topic.
Simmons needs to play in Europe…