New Counterfeits from Asia

rogermaris · 06-27-2021, 03:13 AM

Three new counterfeits have surfaced. These sets were previously considered safe:

Seller has other fakes listed as well:

And here's a bonus counterfeit rave listed by PWCC:

PelicanFly · 06-27-2021, 05:17 AM

Thanks Maris. Replying for when these are inevitably reposted.

Kobe Platinum Medallion marked as 32/100
Kobe Thunder Super Rave marked as 18/25
Kobe Star Rubies marked as 34/50

KhalDrogo · 06-27-2021, 05:42 AM

Hope PSA stays on top of it.

3124508 on COMC · 06-27-2021, 06:41 AM

“Grade Reviewed by BGS”

BGS reviewed the counterfeit rave and confirmed it was authentic. LOL.

SPauthentic84 · 06-27-2021, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

“Grade Reviewed by BGS”

BGS reviewed the counterfeit rave and confirmed it was authentic. LOL.

ChoOse WiSeLy

Randallk34 · 06-27-2021, 08:16 AM

Last one says Portland Oregon

rogermaris · 06-27-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Randallk34

Last one says Portland Oregon

Correct. When I say "from Asia" I just mean they're manufactured in Asia. Many wind up being sold stateside.

auburn35 · 06-27-2021, 01:14 PM

Thanks for documenting these counterfeits.

Oops...
Beckett: The card is examined first to determine its authenticity and that is has not been altered. Once the card has been deemed to be authentic and unaltered, the condition is assessed.

CoronaBowl LV · 06-27-2021, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

“Grade Reviewed by BGS”

BGS reviewed the counterfeit rave and confirmed it was authentic. LOL.

Authentically fraudulent*

Kobefan · 06-27-2021, 02:33 PM

I know this sounds selfish, but sometimes I do wonder why they keep on targeting 90s inserts and parallels. There are more lucrative ones, why can't they get out of the era I collect. It's already hard enough to be collector nowadays, can't open boxes cause sealed products are too expensive, and potential PC cards are constantly being faked.

3124508 on COMC · 06-27-2021, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

ChoOse WiSeLy

I think we’re going to need a letter from Jeromy Murray on this one.

mindcycle · 06-27-2021, 06:10 PM

Yeah I saw those Kobe’s the other day and the serial #’s looked off to me but I’ve only started searching for Thunder raves after picking one up recently.

Do you think those are backdoor or completely fake? It figures PWCC is selling one..

tier1dc · 06-27-2021, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randallk34

Last one says Portland Oregon

wow, great post.

ovrcollect · 06-27-2021, 06:49 PM

This is pretty wild... I saw someone at the Fairfield, CA show yesterday offer raw copies of two of these cards (the plat medallion and the rubies) to a vendor for trade for some very high end stuff. They were in one touches in little baggies (not self sealing type) which seemed like an odd way to store them to me.

It's of course entirely possible they were real, but thought it'd be helpful to note that there could be plenty of these already out there.

SPauthentic84 · 06-27-2021, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I think we’re going to need a letter from Jeromy Murray on this one.

Im sure it will say nothing of value and we will all be dumber for reading it.

Randallk34 · 06-27-2021, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tier1dc

wow, great post.

Wow, your post is even better, thanks.

He responded to me with a great answer if you saw. Your response makes you seem kinda douchy. Cheers

rogermaris · 06-27-2021, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindcycle

Yeah I saw those Kobe’s the other day and the serial #’s looked off to me but I’ve only started searching for Thunder raves after picking one up recently.

Do you think those are backdoor or completely fake? It figures PWCC is selling one..

These are not backdoored copies. These are counterfeits created from scratch.

duron · 06-27-2021, 08:13 PM

If they were able to create first-year Star Rubies from scratch, they can make anything from scratch. Just imagine the additional push from them upon seeing how much the market blew up.

Stabilization won’t even be a deterrent.

imbluestreak23 · 06-27-2021, 08:20 PM

Posted in the Kobe thread.

Star Rubies don't have edges that smooth raw. Fresh out of the pack either.

Same with the Thunder. Dead give away

duron · 06-27-2021, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Posted in the Kobe thread.

Star Rubies don't have edges that smooth raw. Fresh out of the pack either.

Same with the Thunder. Dead give away

Until it’s not. This is why maris doesn’t expound in pub threads.

Kobefan · 06-27-2021, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Posted in the Kobe thread.

Star Rubies don't have edges that smooth raw. Fresh out of the pack either.

Same with the Thunder. Dead give away

When you say star rubies, you mean the 1997-98 rubies, not the 1996-97 rubies, right?

ReggieBush22 · 06-27-2021, 09:01 PM

This is troubling to me.

Making me consider selling my high end, popular products which is obviously the easiest targets for counterfeiters and focus more on the mid tier stuff, which almost certainly isn't counterfeited.

imbluestreak23 · 06-27-2021, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobefan

When you say star rubies, you mean the 1997-98 rubies, not the 1996-97 rubies, right?

Yup, star rubies from 97/98.

I packed pulled an AI Team Skybox Star Ruby back in the day (43/50). And opened these boxes back then as a kiddo. Edges weren't that clean

Gem10collection · 06-28-2021, 04:25 AM

Thank you! And a bump.

Toolzs · 06-28-2021, 07:58 AM

Im pretty sure every single card could be faked 90% close with todays technology.
Each printing plate is floating around.
So also each raw digital raw picture is floating around.
Each digital print settings are floating around.
It would be dumb to think that not way more graded fakes floating around.
From every single company out there.

06-27-2021, 03:13 AM	#1
rogermaris Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,204	New Counterfeits from Asia Three new counterfeits have surfaced. These sets were previously considered safe: Seller has other fakes listed as well: And here's a bonus counterfeit rave listed by PWCC: __________________ IG: @90swax

06-27-2021, 05:17 AM	#2
PelicanFly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: San Diego Posts: 487	Thanks Maris. Replying for when these are inevitably reposted. Kobe Platinum Medallion marked as 32/100 Kobe Thunder Super Rave marked as 18/25 Kobe Star Rubies marked as 34/50 Last edited by PelicanFly; 06-27-2021 at 06:35 AM.

06-27-2021, 05:42 AM	#3
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,391	Hope PSA stays on top of it. __________________ I love PSA!

06-27-2021, 06:41 AM	#4
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,427	“Grade Reviewed by BGS” BGS reviewed the counterfeit rave and confirmed it was authentic. LOL. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

06-27-2021, 01:14 PM	#8
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,419	Thanks for documenting these counterfeits. Oops... Beckett: The card is examined first to determine its authenticity and that is has not been altered. Once the card has been deemed to be authentic and unaltered, the condition is assessed. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

06-27-2021, 08:16 AM	#6
Randallk34 Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 2,000	Last one says Portland Oregon

06-27-2021, 02:33 PM	#10
Kobefan Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,165 kobefan321	I know this sounds selfish, but sometimes I do wonder why they keep on targeting 90s inserts and parallels. There are more lucrative ones, why can't they get out of the era I collect. It's already hard enough to be collector nowadays, can't open boxes cause sealed products are too expensive, and potential PC cards are constantly being faked.

06-27-2021, 06:10 PM	#12
mindcycle Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5,043	Yeah I saw those Kobe’s the other day and the serial #’s looked off to me but I’ve only started searching for Thunder raves after picking one up recently. Do you think those are backdoor or completely fake? It figures PWCC is selling one..

06-27-2021, 06:49 PM	#14
ovrcollect Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: California Posts: 1,111	This is pretty wild... I saw someone at the Fairfield, CA show yesterday offer raw copies of two of these cards (the plat medallion and the rubies) to a vendor for trade for some very high end stuff. They were in one touches in little baggies (not self sealing type) which seemed like an odd way to store them to me. It's of course entirely possible they were real, but thought it'd be helpful to note that there could be plenty of these already out there.

06-27-2021, 08:13 PM	#18
duron Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: NYC Posts: 12,124 drewtang duron	If they were able to create first-year Star Rubies from scratch, they can make anything from scratch. Just imagine the additional push from them upon seeing how much the market blew up. Stabilization won’t even be a deterrent. __________________ IG: Darz90sCardz PC: MJ/Penny

06-27-2021, 08:20 PM	#19
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,911 shortslabs	Posted in the Kobe thread. Star Rubies don't have edges that smooth raw. Fresh out of the pack either. Same with the Thunder. Dead give away __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

06-27-2021, 09:01 PM	#22
ReggieBush22 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,629 lionpride	This is troubling to me. Making me consider selling my high end, popular products which is obviously the easiest targets for counterfeiters and focus more on the mid tier stuff, which almost certainly isn't counterfeited.

06-28-2021, 04:25 AM	#24
Gem10collection Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 789	Thank you! And a bump.

06-28-2021, 07:58 AM	#25
Toolzs Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Austria Posts: 18 smajo8	Im pretty sure every single card could be faked 90% close with todays technology. Each printing plate is floating around. So also each raw digital raw picture is floating around. Each digital print settings are floating around. It would be dumb to think that not way more graded fakes floating around. From every single company out there.