I hate to say it, but Giannis cards are about to tank...

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Felt a few taking like “guess you cant say “were sucking” without “G-R-E-E-K” “were self explanatory

Do you really need me to break it down for you?

Those ones, yeah. I don't think some of the other ones are self explanatory.

I think Giannis so far has been a better version of the Admiral - MVP player, weak supporting cast, playoff performance below regular season. I think it's hard for a player without a 3 point shot or a decent FT to take over a game. I also think he can be viewed as a better, bigger Russ in a way.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Those ones, yeah. I don't think some of the other ones are self explanatory.

I think Giannis so far has been a better version of the Admiral - MVP player, weak supporting cast, playoff performance below regular season. I think it's hard for a player without a 3 point shot or a decent FT to take over a game. I also think he can be viewed as a better, bigger Russ in a way.

40 point, 13 rebound, 63% shooting Game 7 win on the road not enough for you?

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by titletowncards

Damn him for getting stronger and becoming a 2x MVP, 1x DPOY and blah blah blah. I mean if he had just listened to you who knows what heights he could have reached!

And it screwed up his shooting motion. Just have to look at youtube videos from 2013 to see his shot was pretty fluid. Once he got jacked... it's not fluid anymore...and not reliable in crunch time.

He could get stronger and not cross the line that would screw up his shooting motion.

Are you saying that getting jacked is the only reason he won the MVPs and DPOY? You know for sure he wouldn't have won if he wasn't as jacked? He'd still have the height and the length...bullying his way to the basket might not have happened...but he would have a more fluid shot and still dominate the game.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by tjforce

40 point, 13 rebound, 63% shooting Game 7 win on the road not enough for you?

You know what I meant. I was rooting for Giannis all game and I'm happy he won and played great in a Game 7.

But he never "took" over the game. There was never a point where the Nets knew he had it going and the game was over. He played an almost perfect game besides that and performed in the clutch. He was just excellent throughout the game.

If anything, that's my biggest criticism of Giannis. That's why I think a guy like Dame would be perfect next to him.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

You know what I meant. I was rooting for Giannis all game and I'm happy he won and played great in a Game 7.

But he never "took" over the game. There was never a point where the Nets knew he had it going and the game was over. He played an almost perfect game besides that and performed in the clutch. He was just excellent throughout the game.

If anything, that's my biggest criticism of Giannis. That's why I think a guy like Dame would be perfect next to him.

I think people are so enamored with the Jordan / Kobe hero-ball prototype that when guys like LeBron make passes late they roast him. Or Giannis being the solid foundation all game but doesn’t have an extra level, he’s not good enough. Would we be looking at Shaq and Duncan the same way if they were playing today?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I think people are so enamored with the Jordan / Kobe hero-ball prototype that when guys like LeBron make passes late they roast him. Or Giannis being the solid foundation all game but doesn’t have an extra level, he’s not good enough. Would we be looking at Shaq and Duncan the same way if they were playing today?

It's like it just doesn't dawn on people that in the last two rounds the Bucks and Giannis have:
-Swept the Miami Heat, who knocked them out last year
-Outlasted a KD driven Nets team in a road Game 7

That is such an accomplishment for a playoffs that's already seen:
-LeBron
-KD
-Harden
-Kyrie
-Jokic (MVP)
-Embiid
-Luka

Ousted.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I think people are so enamored with the Jordan / Kobe hero-ball prototype that when guys like LeBron make passes late they roast him. Or Giannis being the solid foundation all game but doesn’t have an extra level, he’s not good enough. Would we be looking at Shaq and Duncan the same way if they were playing today?

THIS.

Giannis is one of the most dominant forces in the game. Just look at his stats. They are otherworldly.

For an example, he’s not a closer who is going to knock down step back threes in people’s faces at the buzzer like Dame, but he can get you where you need to go. There’s probably no actIve player I would rather have take a last shot in a game than Lillard (Curry and KD are close), but Giannis will get you TO the finish line more often than Dame.

With all of the hyper focus on offensive prowess, let’s also not forget that Giannis is a beast on the glass and on D. Giannis is currently forced to shoulder more of a burden than most superstars and for all the criticism, he has done it quite well. He just doesn’t always do it the way many people prefer him to.


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[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

That's why I think a guy like Dame would be perfect next to him.

Agreed.

My dream would be to get Giannis on the Jazz with Mitchell. That would be a DEADLY pick and roll.

Again, just dreaming here.


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[Litwing]

Giannis vs Trae
then Giannis vs Booker

Still likely to get his 1st champ.

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Those ones, yeah. I don't think some of the other ones are self explanatory.

I think Giannis so far has been a better version of the Admiral - MVP player, weak supporting cast, playoff performance below regular season. I think it's hard for a player without a 3 point shot or a decent FT to take over a game. I also think he can be viewed as a better, bigger Russ in a way.

I'm assuming you've never heard of Shaquille O'neal or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?

[imbluestreak23]

It's over Johnny

[Dame]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I'm assuming you've never heard of Shaquille O'neal or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?

Shaq was as much of a liability during his heyday, he had Kobe to help close games for the Lakers. I know that may be simplifying it since they have other clutch performers but it was Shaq and Kobe doing the heavy lifting and Shaq would never get those three peat victory without #8.

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

It's over Johnny

Get him a body bag!

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by rifleman69

Get him a body bag!

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[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

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It's impossible to see that gif and not hear his cackle.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I think people are so enamored with the Jordan / Kobe hero-ball prototype that when guys like LeBron make passes late they roast him. Or Giannis being the solid foundation all game but doesn’t have an extra level, he’s not good enough. Would we be looking at Shaq and Duncan the same way if they were playing today?

I agree that's overrated. But it is important to have as a skillset. There's nothing wrong saying Giannis doesn't have it, he has pretty much everything else lol

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Agreed.

My dream would be to get Giannis on the Jazz with Mitchell. That would be a DEADLY pick and roll.

Again, just dreaming here.


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Or Devin Booker. They would be such an amazing fit with Giannis. Nothing wrong with dreaming about that.

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I'm assuming you've never heard of Shaquille O'neal or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?

Shaq was a beast but it was always a little hard for him to take over games late in the 4th. I still remember Hack-a-Shaq. And Kareem couldn't shoot free throws?!

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by Dame

Shaq was as much of a liability during his heyday, he had Kobe to help close games for the Lakers. I know that may be simplifying it since they have other clutch performers but it was Shaq and Kobe doing the heavy lifting and Shaq would never get those three peat victory without #8.

And Kobe probably wouldn't have gotten that threepeat without Shaq, who was Finals MVP in all three.

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Shaq was a beast but it was always a little hard for him to take over games late in the 4th. I still remember Hack-a-Shaq. And Kareem couldn't shoot free throws?!

Kareem career FT%: .721
Giannis career FT%: .717

Also, Kareem never attempted a 3 pointer in his career according to Basketball Reference.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Kareem career FT%: .721
Giannis career FT%: .717

Also, Kareem never attempted a 3 pointer in his career according to Basketball Reference.

Save for 3 postseasons, Kareem always shot above 65% from the line in the regular season and playoffs.

Giannis has been below that in the last 3 playoffs. If he continues his current trend, he'll be under 70% in the regular season and under 60% in the playoffs by the time his career is over.

He doesn't need to be Steve Nash, just good enough so that sending him to the line it's not a good option. Somewhere in the high 60s should do the trick.

[RedMike]

Giannis is such a force and is so skilled and people forget he is still just 26.

Plenty of time to improve his 3 point shot, mid range and ft's

[Dame]

……char

[Dame]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's like it just doesn't dawn on people that in the last two rounds the Bucks and Giannis have:
-Swept the Miami Heat, who knocked them out last year
-Outlasted a KD driven Nets team in a road Game 7

That is such an accomplishment for a playoffs that's already seen:
-LeBron
-KD
-Harden
-Kyrie
-Jokic (MVP)
-Embiid
-Luka

Ousted.

Such a disingenuous take lol.

[westcm31]

Originally Posted by RedMike

Giannis is such a force and is so skilled and people forget he is still just 26.

Plenty of time to improve his 3 point shot, mid range and ft's

One of a kind player but the 3 will never be his bread and butter, and he cant get it up quick enough to be useful with it anyway. Cant see anyone beating the Suns and they dont even have CP3 yet


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[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Dame

Such a disingenuous take lol.

Go on...

I'm having trouble seeing how this take is disingenuous.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Go on...

I'm having trouble seeing how this take is disingenuous.

You listed a bunch of players/teams who’s 2nd or even 3rd guys are injured/missing.


You make it appear as if Giannis is overcoming this insurmountable odds.


I don’t like playing the injury card and full credit goes to whoever wins the title, but truth is, given this unique circumstances of virtually all contenders missing their best players at the same time frame, it’s just not the same.


Up next, the Bucks will be facing another team decimated by key injuries (Bognadovic and Hunter).


I’m going to tell you this though, it’s poetic justice that most of these Superteams are succumbing to injuries and the one player that didn’t jump ship, is on the verge of winning his championship. It’s good karma, if you ever believe in one and it would be refreshing to see loyalty gets rewarded.