I hate to say it, but Giannis cards are about to tank...

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So did Ray Allen, Steve Kerr, Robert Horry.

It takes a team.

So would you say Giannis is similar to Bron, Kobe, Jordan in crunch time? because from where I see it the guy is not nearly as involved offensively in those situations as those guys were in crunch time, and in fact could be seen as a liability given his one-dimensional offensive arsenal and free throw questions. Giannis relies on his teammates to create and score a lot more in those situations than a lot of the classic #1s.

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Newsflash bro. There are other people here who have large stakes in Giannis too. Matter of fact, he’s my third biggest basketball holding. Behind only Luka and MJ. Do you see me quoting a dozen posts of wrong opinions like a 15 year old?

I'll chime in here...

You are a horrendous poster! Arguably the worst but top 5 without question in the basketball forum. Always negative, always calling players bums, clowns, pathetic, embarrassing, should be fired etc etc on and on and on and more often than not completely wrong.

So now I can see why you have the most posts in the Luka thread. Always disparaging everything not called Luka on, and regarding the Mavericks. Your awful man... I have no idea why other people can't see what a phony you are. I knew you were the pits early on...

I could go through the NBA Playoff thread for just the past couple of games and you would have between 5 or 10 wildly hyperbolic, embarrassing posts saying how this guy sucks, Milwaukee sucks, Holiday sucks, Giannis will never win blah blah blah. Is your job on the forum to be as negative and dismissive of every player when you feel the need to 'shine'? You wouldnt be saying your daily shtick to players faces that's the thing.

[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Funny that the fact I believe in someone makes me defensive.



Despite the fact that I have more value tied up in Luka/Trae, Tom Brady, Mahomes, and LeBron, you constantly feel the need to call me out whenever I get excited about a Giannis performance.



I get it... a lot of people around here sold off their Giannis stuff when prices rose, and now have a bunch of the tens of thousands of Luka and Trae Prizm bass stuff.....but stop trying to gate keep my ability to root for a player I like watching play.



My 'investments' pay off in this order right now in the East:

-Hawks

-Bucks

-76ers....



Yet my rooting interest at the moment goes:

-76ers

-Bucks

-Hawks



I'm enjoying this quite a bit right now that the Nets are donzo... sorry it bothers you so much.

You just went through and quoted dozens of people with “bad take,” because your team happened to get to the Eastern Finals? Not winning a championship, but in the top 4. And you want to complain about someone else “calling you out.”

Comeon bro


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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Spartyon

You just went through and quoted dozens of people with “bad take,” because your team happened to get to the Eastern Finals? Not winning a championship, but in the top 4. And you want to complain about someone else “calling you out.”

Comeon bro


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His team plays at 8pm ET today.

[YourAvgSutton]

Originally Posted by Dame

Why are you doing this man?

I don’t know TJ beyond his username on these forums but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think about doing the exact same thing in this / the Giannis / & the playoff threads. I’d also be lying if I said I don’t appreciate him doing so.

No, the Bucks do not have a cakewalk to the finals and they certainly don’t have an ‘easy road’ to winning it all. If you look at my previous posts it’ll be as no surprise that even as a Bucks fan, I’m the MOST pessimistic about their outlook. I was and am the MOST critical of the moves they’ve made surrounding Giannis w/ talent. Also, WI sports have a way of falling short in heartbreaking fashion so I -always expect the worst around playoff time and get out-of-this-world excited if they manage to actually pull it off.

However, these bumps by TJ were not premature IMO. Giannis doesn’t and didn’t have to win a ring for these obnoxious and negative posts to be brought back to light only a week after they were made as majority were already exposed. Nobody (outside of a very minimal few) were calling those slandering posts premature when they were made, so calling them out cannot be called as such either.

The MOST frustrating thing about Blowout and sports forums / pages / etc. everywhere is that users who have never played / rarely watch / are novices about the sport hide behind usernames and talk sh*t about world class athletes, write hot takes that make click-bait political headlines look like child’s play, and then are never held to any accountability when they get exposed as the BS they are.

I’m a firm believer that all online accounts and usernames should be required to have real names tied to them. It’d be an insanely different landscape if people had to stand behind the sh*t they talk. Not to mention that probably less than 1% of people would ever repeat their comments to a players face.

My username matches my IG and my IG is my personal one. I tie my YouTube channel here which is my personal one. That’s because I stand by what I say. If Jrue Holiday wants to hop on a FaceTime or meet with me for me to tell him to his face I’ve been disappointed in his play this series as a fan, I’d be happy to do it. And not because I know or can play basketball even remotely as well as he does, but because as a professional in my own field I believe there’s a level of expectation to perform when the lights are on when you’re paid what he is. At the end of the day, the guy is still human and is a .01% talent and I will never forget or not respect that.

Perhaps these Internet forums aren’t for me anymore, and I’ll most likely go dark again on here until after the next series concludes because none of us know what’s going to happen and the chatter in between has proven to be 96.5% garbage, but at least I got to vent lol. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by YourAvgSutton

I don’t know TJ beyond his username on these forums but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t think about doing the exact same thing in this / the Giannis / & the playoff threads. I’d also be lying if I said I don’t appreciate him doing so.

No, the Bucks do not have a cakewalk to the finals and they certainly don’t have an ‘easy road’ to winning it all. If you look at my previous posts it’ll be as no surprise that even as a Bucks fan, I’m the MOST pessimistic about their outlook. I was and am the MOST critical of the moves they’ve made surrounding Giannis w/ talent. Also, WI sports have a way of falling short in heartbreaking fashion so I -always expect the worst around playoff time and get out-of-this-world excited if they manage to actually pull it off.

However, these bumps by TJ were not premature IMO. Giannis doesn’t and didn’t have to win a ring for these obnoxious and negative posts to be brought back to light only a week after they were made as majority were already exposed. Nobody (outside of a very minimal few) were calling those slandering posts premature when they were made, so calling them out cannot be called as such either.

The MOST frustrating thing about Blowout and sports forums / pages / etc. everywhere is that users who have never played / rarely watch / are novices about the sport hide behind usernames and talk sh*t about world class athletes, write hot takes that make click-bait political headlines look like child’s play, and then are never held to any accountability when they get exposed as the BS they are.

I’m a firm believer that all online accounts and usernames should be required to have real names tied to them. It’d be an insanely different landscape if people had to stand behind the sh*t they talk. Not to mention that probably less than 1% of people would ever repeat their comments to a players face.

My username matches my IG and my IG is my personal one. I tie my YouTube channel here which is my personal one. That’s because I stand by what I say. If Jrue Holiday wants to hop on a FaceTime or meet with me for me to tell him to his face I’ve been disappointed in his play this series as a fan, I’d be happy to do it. And not because I know or can play basketball even remotely as well as he does, but because as a professional in my own field I believe there’s a level of expectation to perform when the lights are on when you’re paid what he is. At the end of the day, the guy is still human and is a .01% talent and I will never forget or not respect that.

Perhaps these Internet forums aren’t for me anymore, and I’ll most likely go dark again on here until after the next series concludes because none of us know what’s going to happen and the chatter in between has proven to be 96.5% garbage, but at least I got to vent lol. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

It's sports talk forums. The stakes are zippo, people throw opinions out and what does it matter if they are on point or not? In fact, it's the disagreements and varying prognostications around the sport that further add spice to the unfolding athletic dramas imo. Be boring as hell if we all agreed all the time. I don't need to be a world class athlete, have a Phd in political science, etc, to have and share opinions on the subjects. Falls into a credentials gatekeeping/appeals to credentials fallacy that basically locks out majority from having opinions. People who don't have professional level expertise in a field doesn't preclude them being correct in an opinion or critique. Plus, sport is an entertainment industrial complex and a lot of what stirs the drink are the narrative arguments, critiques, stories around the sport.

And regarding anonymity, people can figure out who I am in two seconds googling my handle. I don't care, I just assume anything I write or say online can be traced back to me and held against me. I'm fine with that. Plus I'm willing to bet most people couldn't care less.

[YourAvgSutton]

Originally Posted by sebreg

It's sports talk forums. The stakes are zippo, people throw opinions out and what does it matter if they are on point or not? In fact, it's the disagreements and varying prognostications around the sport that further add spice to the unfolding athletic dramas imo. Be boring as hell if we all agreed all the time. I don't need to be a world class athlete, have a Phd in political science, etc, to have and share opinions on the subjects. Falls into a credentials gatekeeping/appeals to credentials fallacy that basically locks out majority from having opinions. People who don't have professional level expertise in a field doesn't preclude them being correct in an opinion or critique. Plus, sport is an entertainment industrial complex and a lot of what stirs the drink are the narrative arguments, critiques, stories around the sport.

And regarding anonymity, people can figure out who I am in two seconds googling my handle. I don't care, I just assume anything I write or say online can be traced back to me and held against me. I'm fine with that. Plus I'm willing to bet most people couldn't care less.

I agree 100% with everything you said.
- People don’t have to be right/wrong.
- We don’t all have to agree with each other.
- We don’t have to be athletes to have opinions.
- Debates are what makes sports talk fun.

I simply don’t believe that’s what we’re seeing here.
- People don’t have to be right/wrong, but hot take, clickbait headline posts are cancer. Always.
- We don’t have to always agree with each other, that’d be horrible, but the bickering and needing everything to be me vs. you, my player vs. yours, all or nothing is worse.
- we don’t have to be athletes to have opinions but there should always remain a foundational level of respect in mind due to the fact we aren’t. There’s a meme that always amuses me of an obese dude sitting alone in his house eating chips saying ‘so and so athlete is a piece of sh*t’. Self-awareness is a lost art.
- Debates are at the heart of and are what make sports fun, especially message boards. However, as I said above, I don’t believe these to be debates. Player debates have turned into needing to be as dedicated or one sided as our current political climate. You can respect and not trash a player whilst also building up your players.

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by YourAvgSutton

I agree 100% with everything you said.
- People don’t have to be right/wrong.
- We don’t all have to agree with each other.
- We don’t have to be athletes to have opinions.
- Debates are what makes sports talk fun.

I simply don’t believe that’s what we’re seeing here.
- People don’t have to be right/wrong, but hot take, clickbait headline posts are cancer. Always.
- We don’t have to always agree with each other, that’d be horrible, but the bickering and needing everything to be me vs. you, my player vs. yours, all or nothing is worse.
- we don’t have to be athletes to have opinions but there should always remain a foundational level of respect in mind due to the fact we aren’t. There’s a meme that always amuses me of an obese dude sitting alone in his house eating chips saying ‘so and so athlete is a piece of sh*t’. Self-awareness is a lost art.
- Debates are at the heart of and are what make sports fun, especially message boards. However, as I said above, I don’t believe these to be debates. Player debates have turned into needing to be as dedicated or one sided as our current political climate. You can respect and not trash a player whilst also building up your players.

Gotcha! yes, imo it comes down to trying to dialogue in good faith, and with respect and decency. Unfortunately the internet has often silo'd us into information echo chambers, amplifying/playing our emotions and making many of us more categorical in our positioning and thinking. There are also ego issues where dialoguing is not in good faith, it is about subjugating the other party and beating them into submission, and NEEDING to be right. I know I can't be right on everything, it's just not possible. I think sometimes we get in these arrogance traps where we are so vested in an idea, or somehow merge that idea into our identity that we can't even allow for the possibility that we may be wrong on an issue. Those dynamics are actually very fascinating but kind of scary tbh.

Oh, another issue at least to do with cards is that many of us have money tied up in players so that makes us even crazier, more biased, and more insane when we talk about things haha. Nothing like money to draw out our worst and most uncompromising qualities

And in regards to respect, these athletes are absolutely incredible. And Giannis, sure I do critique, but in full knowledge that he is truly a special talent and someone who works incredibly hard at his craft. But sometimes we throw baby out with bathwater when we just try to tear these professional athletes down without giving any credit to what they have accomplished (making the NBA in and of itself is an extraordinary accomplishment imo). I also think some people just hate hate hate regardless, and want to tear down greatness or minimize the accomplishments of others (maybe they have insecurity issues, unhappiness, or self-loathing that manifests in these ways that's my 2-bit armchair psychologizing haha!).

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Spartyon

You just went through and quoted dozens of people with “bad take,” because your team happened to get to the Eastern Finals? Not winning a championship, but in the top 4. And you want to complain about someone else “calling you out.”

Comeon bro


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Wait... My team?

You don't follow many of my posts.

If I had to rank 'my teams' the Bucks would come in at probably 5th or 6th right now.

But I am going to hold people accountable for bad takes, just like I expect to own up to when I have a strong take as well when its off....


I've taken 2 strong takes this Playoffs....

1. That the Clippers could still very much beat the Jazz after they got down 0-2. Some clown made it personal when he called me out for that, and he hasn't logged on in a week now.

2. 76ers would beat Atlanta. By the end of the day we'll see on this one. But if I'm wrong, not only will I be changing my avatar to Trae for a week (because of the bet I made with Ninja), but I'll also be the first to admit I was wrong. Don't expect me to disappear from the boards for a week.

[Ferg1945]

I've got money invested in Giannis and I've sold a majority of what I had in the last year. Prices were too good to pass up. Buy a PSA 10 Prizm for $180... Sell when it hit $6000. Isn't that what it's all about?

I'm going to be objective on anyone I post about...money invested or not. I ruffled feathers in the Luka and Westbrook threads because I don't stick to the thread and only look at the positives. I'm going to bring up the negatives and that's what they all cling to. Once one says something...the rest of the homers pile on and it's a no win situation. Do I continue more than I should... probably... It's fun to ruffle feathers.

The worst thing that happened to Giannis is getting jacked. Had he stayed slim like Durant his jump shot would have improved and he would have fine tuned it. That's why golfers don't get jacked...it screws up your golf swing. Same with basketball. There is a fine line between strong and jacked... He crossed it. Would he be as dominant in the paint with less muscles? No...but he'd have a better all around game with the same height and length. He'd still be able to get to the basket in minimal steps....but guys would have to defend him more from the arc... leaving space for him to work if he decided to fake a shot and go to the basket.

I've been watching him play for the last 5 years... I always thought he'd figure out how to shoot...but it's the same thing every year. He'd have to lose muscle mass to have a better chance of increasing his shooting percentage on jump shots

[imbluestreak23]

I don't know man. Karl Malone had a sweet mid range J.

2nd all time scoring leader and all time yoked.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I don't know man. Karl Malone had a sweet mid range J.

2nd all time scoring leader and all time yoked.

He did and he played with one of the best PGs of all time.... He took 310 3PT shots in his 19 year career.... Thru 8 seasons Giannis has 1000 more... 1308. Malone knew his role and perfected his jump shot. Giannis could do the same thing if he gave up on being a 3PT shooter. I said earlier...this thread or Giannis thread...learn the soft bank shot. Duncan made a career out of it. Those muscles don't help distance shots.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Some clown made it personal when he called me out for that, and he hasn't logged on in a week now.

Wait, do people on Blowout really take things this seriously?

[1980bust]

Originally Posted by rustywest

I'll chime in here...

You are a horrendous poster! Arguably the worst but top 5 without question in the basketball forum.

I barely post here but would agree. The first time I saw Drogo simping hard for PSA made me cringe, but then I realised that's just who he is. Cringey serious business internet guy.

There's loads of them here, but this guy is next level.

[Spartyon]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Wait... My team?



You don't follow many of my posts.



If I had to rank 'my teams' the Bucks would come in at probably 5th or 6th right now.



But I am going to hold people accountable for bad takes, just like I expect to own up to when I have a strong take as well when its off....





I've taken 2 strong takes this Playoffs....



1. That the Clippers could still very much beat the Jazz after they got down 0-2. Some clown made it personal when he called me out for that, and he hasn't logged on in a week now.



2. 76ers would beat Atlanta. By the end of the day we'll see on this one. But if I'm wrong, not only will I be changing my avatar to Trae for a week (because of the bet I made with Ninja), but I'll also be the first to admit I was wrong. Don't expect me to disappear from the boards for a week.

“Your team” -the team you picked.

My point was, don’t get up in arms for someone “calling you out” if you’re going to troll dozens of people calling them out like you are some sports gambling prodigy



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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by 1980bust

I barely post here but would agree. The first time I saw Drogo simping hard for PSA made me cringe, but then I realised that's just who he is. Cringey serious business internet guy.

There's loads of them here, but this guy is next level.

Better than Mr. Six Bucks!

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Better than Mr. Six Bucks!

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Spartyon

“Your team” -the team you picked.

My point was, don’t get up in arms for someone “calling you out” if you’re going to troll dozens of people calling them out like you are some sports gambling prodigy



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I'm not up in arms about anything. This is all fun for me.

But I am the type of person that sticks arounds to live with the fallout of his take, win or lose.

Unlike the guy who called me out for saying the Clippers still had a chance after being down 0-2 to the Jazz.

[Pathora]

I will say that with todays events the Bucks have to be the heavy favorites over the Hawks. If Giannis loses this series (especially convincingly) I think the huge dip may still occur.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Pathora

I will say that with todays events the Bucks have to be the heavy favorites over the Hawks. If Giannis loses this series (especially convincingly) I think the huge dip may still occur.

Third series in a row I've heard this.

It depends on context.

If he scores 20 a game and shoots 39%, dip.

If they lose and he puts up 30 and 14 a game like he's been doing all year, prices don't take a huge hit.

I haven't checked lately, but a title hasn't been priced in for a long time.

[KhalDrogo]

Would have rather seen the Bucks get the Sixers. Should be an interesting series.

[titletowncards]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

The worst thing that happened to Giannis is getting jacked. Had he stayed slim like Durant his jump shot would have improved and he would have fine tuned it. That's why golfers don't get jacked...it screws up your golf swing. Same with basketball. There is a fine line between strong and jacked... He crossed it. Would he be as dominant in the paint with less muscles? No...but he'd have a better all around game with the same height and length. He'd still be able to get to the basket in minimal steps....but guys would have to defend him more from the arc... leaving space for him to work if he decided to fake a shot and go to the basket.

I've been watching him play for the last 5 years... I always thought he'd figure out how to shoot...but it's the same thing every year. He'd have to lose muscle mass to have a better chance of increasing his shooting percentage on jump shots

Damn him for getting stronger and becoming a 2x MVP, 1x DPOY and blah blah blah. I mean if he had just listened to you who knows what heights he could have reached!

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Bad take

Jesus man, you can't just say bad take and not elaborate.

I mean, you could, but that sucks.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Jesus man, you can't just say bad take and not elaborate.

I mean, you could, but that sucks.

Felt a few taking like “guess you cant say “were sucking” without “G-R-E-E-K” “were self explanatory

Do you really need me to break it down for you?