Nolan Arenado Thread

[cloakroom]

Originally Posted by corockies

AB H HR 2B BA R RBI SB OBP OPS GG PlatinumG

Machado 4668 1299 228 247 .278 666 667 70 .337 .822 2 1

Arenado 4261 1245 241 274 .292 669 783 16 .349 .888 8 4

Pretty much the same stats, Arenado has 400 less ABs and is a better clutch hitter (100 more RBI). Defense isn't even close.

inches him out after playing his entire career in coors and is also 2 years older. defense is close, but nolan is better. the only instance where it isn't close is their HOF paths.

[cloakroom]

Originally Posted by texmcpherson

Manny Machado isn’t even the best player on his own team. And just for giggles he isn’t even liked or respected by most of the league; that will “reflect with voters” just ask Curt Schilling. Take your non-sense to the Manny Machado thread.. if there even is one.

hahah machado is the best player on his team, which he's also the leader of and serves as a mentor on. try actually watching the game and stop acting like a 30 year old just getting out of coors (and is also on the cardinals) is hot #@#@#@#@ and a sure fire Hall of Famer. we gonna try pump goldy or correa next? this ain't rocket science. machado was only ever brought up because people are wondering why Nolan is so cheap and i said it could be because machado is positioned better to be a long term hold. get over it.

[texmcpherson]

Originally Posted by cloakroom

hahah machado is the best player on his team, which he's also the leader of and serves as a mentor on. try actually watching the game and stop acting like a 30 year old just getting out of coors (and is also on the cardinals) is hot #@#@#@#@ and a sure fire Hall of Famer. we gonna try pump goldy or correa next? this ain't rocket science. machado was only ever brought up because people are wondering why Nolan is so cheap and i said it could be because machado is positioned better to be a long term hold. get over it.

Been watching Machado’s game since he came up, he’s a renowned D-bag. That’s why his market settled down since he came into the league. MM isn’t blowing anyone away, if anything he’s just an inconsistent stat compiler.

Also, one player throws bats at pitchers and cleats the first baseman intentionally and the other does not.

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by texmcpherson

Been watching Machado’s game since he came up, he’s a renowned D-bag. That’s why his market settled down since he came into the league. MM isn’t blowing anyone away, if anything he’s just an inconsistent stat compiler.

Also, one player throws bats at pitchers and cleats the first baseman intentionally and the other does not.

Well this is pretty spot on. Not that Machado isn’t an incredible talent, he is. But inconsistent stat compiler is absolutely accurate. His attitude in past years is the turn off if anything. Used to make the faces of a 14 yr old out there regularly. But from what I’ve seen of him in the past year it seems maturity has finally started to set in.

[rseve43]

Machado will be a HOFer. He’s absolutely on track with his current age and career numbers, so there’s no reason to knock him.



And he is still not as good as Arenado.



Also makes me laugh anytime I see remarks about any third baseman saying “he’s comparable defensively to Arenado”



No. No he’s not. The numbers put Arenado on track to go down as one of the greatest defenders ever. Machado is good, Matt Chapman is good, (fill in the blank) is good. None of them are Arenado.

[corockies]

Arenado:


Machado:

[cloakroom]

Originally Posted by texmcpherson

Been watching Machado’s game since he came up, he’s a renowned D-bag. That’s why his market settled down since he came into the league. MM isn’t blowing anyone away, if anything he’s just an inconsistent stat compiler.

Also, one player throws bats at pitchers and cleats the first baseman intentionally and the other does not.

inconsistent stat compiler is such a garbage take. it's hilarious the second his name gets brought up, everyone decides fangraphs doesn't exist. oh he hit .250 a couple years? still has a career .278 BA with consistenly good defense. he's definitely been a douche and there's no pushback to that, but i'll spew over Machado anyday if people are just going to make things up on this board. also, this board loves their domestic abusers when it suits them. wasn't there a Julio Urias thread at the very top just last night? yeah, so i don't want to hear it. and he also didn't intentionally hurt pedroia in case anyone wants to try and still milk that.

[corockies]

Ho hum... Arenado goes 2-4 tonight with another HR (9) and 2 more RBI (28) and raises his season average to an even .300. Man, that Coors Field factor is strong in this guy isn't it?

Machado meanwhile goes 0-4, dropping his average to .230 on the season. Why isn't Machado taking advantage of his home park the way Arenado has his entire career?

[corockies]

2013 Topps Update Black Arenado RC #28/62:



2014 Topps Black Arenado Rookie Cup #28/63:

[rman112]

Originally Posted by corockies

Ho hum... Arenado goes 2-4 tonight with another HR (9) and 2 more RBI (28) and raises his season average to an even .300. Man, that Coors Field factor is strong in this guy isn't it?

Machado meanwhile goes 0-4, dropping his average to .230 on the season. Why isn't Machado taking advantage of his home park the way Arenado has his entire career?

Arenado's been really good, but this makes no sense. One's probably the best hitter's park in baseball, while the other's probably the worst.

[corockies]

Originally Posted by rman112

Arenado's been really good, but this makes no sense. One's probably the best hitter's park in baseball, while the other's probably the worst.

Sarcasm is tough to accomplish in type. Trying to throw water on the argument that Arenado's offense is solely a product of Coors.

[espnfanco]

Originally Posted by corockies

Sarcasm is tough to accomplish in type. Trying to throw water on the argument that Arenado's offense is solely a product of Coors.

I remember reading that he has done well in nl central parks... NL west home parks are pitchers parks except Coors of course. Amazing people truly think offensive ballplayers can’t do well when leaving the Rockies... look at DJ and now Nolan. 4th rd fantasy baseball pick cause he’s leaving Coors? Yes please

[corockies]

Originally Posted by espnfanco

I remember reading that he has done well in nl central parks... NL west home parks are pitchers parks except Coors of course. Amazing people truly think offensive ballplayers can’t do well when leaving the Rockies... look at DJ and now Nolan. 4th rd fantasy baseball pick cause he’s leaving Coors? Yes please

Just checked some #s - Machado from 2012 - 2018 playing @ Camden Yards hit 106 HRs (60.57%), away HRs 69 (39.43%). Over 60% of Manny's HR were at home when he was with Baltimore.

Arenado from 2013 - 2020 with the Rockies playing @ Coors Field hit 136 HRs (57.87%), away HRs 99 (42.13%).

Machado had just as much a home advantage as Arenado did with home ballpark before he went to SD.

[cloakroom]

Originally Posted by corockies

Sarcasm is tough to accomplish in type. Trying to throw water on the argument that Arenado's offense is solely a product of Coors.

Literally no one said that Coors is the SOLE reason for his offensive accomplishments so you’re throwing water on yourself there. We have the home and road splits to see that he’s a fine hitter, but home splits + physics say Coors has contributed to making seem a higher tier of hitter than he actually is. Hard hit data also seems to show that it might be a good idea to be weary of trying to compare daily box scores of younger 3rd basemen with 40+ WAR and gold gloves who never got the opportunity to play a mile high.

[espnfanco]

Nolan has contributed so much more than his bat... especially defense. His enthusiasm and love for the game I miss so much. Cardinals stole him from the Rockies.

[dhusker3]

Homerun in four straight games now. Pleasure to watch him play

[rngrdanny22]

Arenado! Big-time rookie in Cardinal red!

[texmcpherson]

Coors product!

I meant, #10!

[dsprague12]

Will be the NL MVP if he (and the Cardinals) continues this pace and Acuna continues to miss time (as Braves continue to not win).

And he will still be undervalued.

[dhusker3]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Arenado! Big-time rookie in Cardinal red!

Wow- that Red is an absolute beauty! Still need a chrome for my collection

[fabiani12333]

Arenado's numbers this season nearly match his years with Colorado:

2021: .291/.344/.547, 148 OPS+
8 years with Rockies: .293/.349/.541, 121 OPS+

If this continues, it will be fair to question whether Coors Field actually boosted his numbers.

[StraWMyerS]

What people don't seem to understand about Coors.. is that... yes, a player's home numbers are going to jump significantly, the advantage there is undeniable... however, they are also forced to adjust to playing in much heavier atmospheric conditions on every road trip, and their road numbers take a bigger hit because of that. The idea that their road numbers are more indicative of the "real" hitter that they are is foolish and off base. More realistically, they tend to settle somewhere between their home/road splits once they stop playing half their games at Coors.

[griffan15]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Arenado's numbers this season nearly match his years with Colorado:

2021: .291/.344/.547, 148 OPS+
8 years with Rockies: .293/.349/.541, 121 OPS+

If this continues, it will be fair to question whether Coors Field actually boosted his numbers.

Maybe it's a beer thing? Now it will be called the Coors/Busch effect so people can continue to bash his numbers.

[Clublevel]

I have been a Rockies fan since they first started playing in Denver, and right now I can’t hardly bother myself to even watch a game. I hope Nolan has long lasting success with the cardinals and I hope they truly appreciate the player they got.

[Zoop]

Originally Posted by Clublevel

I have been a Rockies fan since they first started playing in Denver, and right now I can’t hardly bother myself to even watch a game. I hope Nolan has long lasting success with the cardinals and I hope they truly appreciate the player they got.

The loss you feel is the gain we feel, trust me. I haven't been this excited about Cardinals ball since 2013.